Unions make Wisconsin business an offer they can't refuse.

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Jhhnn

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Fascism is a collectivist ideology.

Utterly lame. Mussolini and Hitler both rose to power on the boogeyman of Communism, and promptly imprisoned, shot or gassed as many communists as they could round up.
 

1prophet

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If someone is willing to do the same work for half the pay, you're being paid too much.

That's how it works.

Anything else simply causes inflation, adding no real, hard value to the money earned.

A janitor may earn a million dollars per year, but that does not mean much if bread is $50,000 per loaf.


Only if the person can maintain the same quality and proficiency as the guy making twice as much.

The lowest bidder mentality is the costliest way of thinking.
 

matt0611

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Utterly lame. Mussolini and Hitler both rose to power on the boogeyman of Communism, and promptly imprisoned, shot or gassed as many communists as they could round up.

It was still statist, collectivist crap, the merger of the private sector with the public sector. Nazism was nationalist, racist, anti-capitalist, anti-individualist, totalitarian, had many socialist qualities etc

The differences it had with communism were subtle but important.

I'm not trying to equate communism or national socialism with anything in current day though.
 

Craig234

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Remember that, despite what you guys appear to think, the people that were bused in to protest can't legally vote in Wisconsin.

Question for the liar - provide proof of the percent bussed in; and while you're at it, for the percent to tomorrow's rally expected to be the biggest yet.
 

Craig234

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It was still statist, collectivist crap, the merger of the private sector with the public sector. Nazism was nationalist, racist, anti-capitalist, anti-individualist, totalitarian, had many socialist qualities etc

The differences it had with communism were subtle but important.

I'm not trying to equate communism or national socialism with anything in current day though.

How reasonable of you. And I'm not saying you're the real killed of Nicole Simpson. See, I'm reasonable too. So I guess anything slightly less radical you say is 'moderate'.
 

FuzzyBee

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Question for the liar - provide proof of the percent bussed in; and while you're at it, for the percent to tomorrow's rally expected to be the biggest yet.

Well, since you worded it that way, I'm guessing you are asking yourself. Have at it, small man.
 

rudeguy

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A boycott is a perfectly legal and effective tactic.

As for the hero or villain question, it just depends on your point of view.

As for Governor Walker, the guy will surely not try to run for a second term, and may be recalled before he serves a single year in office.

yep...boycotts are very effective. No one get gas tomorrow!!!


Also...when did you become psychic? I don't remember Walker announcing he wouldn't run for a second term. Care to take bets on if the recall goes anywhere? While I don't have your psychic abilities, I didn't see anywhere near a majority of the 5.6 million Wisconsin residents protesting. Maybe the Dem's can get some out of state folks to sign the petitions to make it look like a big deal?
 

Craig234

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You put way to much time and effort into not responding. "Screw you" is a perfectly acceptable response around here and would have made more sense.

Is it the FDR thing that got your panties twisted? You really can't deny the irony.

I find 'screw you' an inappropriate response to your post, and that I said what I meant and your response reinforced the points I made.
 

Craig234

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Willing to take bets on both those guesses?

Walker can't be recalled before a year under the constitution, and he's likely, if not recalled, to RUN for re-election, however bad his approval.

Are you willing to place a bet that he WILL be re-elected?

I doubt it.
 

Craig234

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They're going after Kwik Trip too.

KT is a gas station chain that is EVERYWHERE in WI. They pretty much dominate.

KT is a republican / walker supporter, so the unions are going after them, but when you look at that company, they are hard to dislike.

No, they're not. I dislike them already from the above.

Family owned, and the fam gives 40% of profits to employees. No fee ATMS, alwaysw .38lb bananas, cheap bread, milk, onions, and potatoes, and they have a great bakery too.

The KT's around me are always busy, and I bet the teachers won't be able to stay away, no matter what their union heads say.

That is some nice things about the, but they don't justify the Republican funding.

'Family owned' sounds good, but I only like it for smaller businesses.

If the wealthiest family in the world, Waltons, make that a 'family owned' company, that's not going to whitewash what they do.

The Koch brothers own the second biggest private company in the US and are one of the biggest political forced for a radical right-wing anti-public movement.

The Campbell family has donated heavily to offload their estate taxes onto the public.

Joseph Coors is one f the most notorious radical right-wing tycoons.

There are many more for the big 'families'. News Corp is largely a 'family owned' firm.
 

rudeguy

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Walker can't be recalled before a year under the constitution, and he's likely, if not recalled, to RUN for re-election, however bad his approval.

Are you willing to place a bet that he WILL be re-elected?

I doubt it.

I'll take you up for $50
 

Craig234

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Lol yes, because I was actually serious in suggesting that we'd all ACTUALLY be mining somewhere, its called sarcasm and hyperbole.

Oh and the government takes 30+ % of my wealth I make right out of my pocket every year at gunpoint so I'm much worried about them, thank you.

The fact it had hyperbole is not new information, the comment it was idiocy is just as correct.
 

Doppel

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Too many businesses for this tactic to work and any time the union spends advertising "non-compliance" is time it cannot spend dealing with the government. A silly tactic, ultimately. A lot of people, like me, would by default tell them to go F themselves if they tried this with me, pulling me into a fight I have not chosen. And so they would choose my side for me.
 

PokerGuy

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I'm not so sure about that. One of the things that my son's union demands of its employees is that they buy American. American made cars, American made tools. Some, but not all, unions have a membership that is quite willing to work together on things like that. For some American manufacturers, union members make up a hefty portion of their customers.

Yeah, I remember all those "buy American" campaigns. They were all complete flops, because when it comes down to it, the consumer will ultimately pick the cheaper and better product regardless of the politics and other "outside" considerations. That's how walmart ends up selling 90% chinese junk: despite all the rhetoric, the consumer will still buy a $10 lead-painted radio from china instead of a $30 one made in the US. What people say and what they do are two different things.
 

Genx87

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Utterly lame. Mussolini and Hitler both rose to power on the boogeyman of Communism, and promptly imprisoned, shot or gassed as many communists as they could round up.

And what does that have to do with Fascism being a collectivist ideology? One group of collectivists killed another group of collectivists? I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!
 
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matt0611

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How reasonable of you. And I'm not saying you're the real killed of Nicole Simpson. See, I'm reasonable too. So I guess anything slightly less radical you say is 'moderate'.

Whats the matter? Can't handle the truth?

Oh who am I kidding. Of course you can't.
 

dmcowen674

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The Right supports corporations using their bankrolls to influence politics, but opposes common citizens doing the same. Glad you guys made that clear.

That's OK, the Revolution is coming at the Republicans

3-14-2011

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110313...uX2hlYWRsaW5lX2xpc3QEc2xrA3RocmVhdHNhZ2Fpbg--

Threats against Wisconsin Republicans increasing


At least 18 Republican lawmakers have received death threats since voting for Gov. Scott Walker's modified budget repair bill -- and the number is climbing.
 

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EagleKeeper

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A boycott is a perfectly legal and effective tactic.

As for the hero or villain question, it just depends on your point of view.

As for Governor Walker, the guy will surely not try to run for a second term, and may be recalled before he serves a single year in office.

yep...boycotts are very effective. No one get gas tomorrow!!!


Also...when did you become psychic? I don't remember Walker announcing he wouldn't run for a second term. Care to take bets on if the recall goes anywhere? While I don't have your psychic abilities, I didn't see anywhere near a majority of the 5.6 million Wisconsin residents protesting. Maybe the Dem's can get some out of state folks to sign the petitions to make it look like a big deal?

He is very physic in predicting the future when people are outraged.

Look at his track record on the Middle East and how the world is beating down the Israelis into submission for what has been done to the Palestinians.

He sees things through rose colored glasses that he himself ground to the proper focal length.
 

EagleKeeper

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Throckmorton

Lifer
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Yeah, I remember all those "buy American" campaigns. They were all complete flops, because when it comes down to it, the consumer will ultimately pick the cheaper and better product regardless of the politics and other "outside" considerations. That's how walmart ends up selling 90% chinese junk: despite all the rhetoric, the consumer will still buy a $10 lead-painted radio from china instead of a $30 one made in the US. What people say and what they do are two different things.


Where do you get the "and better" part from? That's bullshit--- as you say in the rest of your post, people would rather buy the toxic radio from China than one from America.

The thing I don't get is clothes and shoes.The brands are actually visible, so you'd think people would want to show off that they buy American, especially the union folks. Why would they NOT pay an extra $10 for boots that cost over $100 anyway?
 
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