United passenger forcibly removed from plane for not giving up seat

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tynopik

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Most people are surprisingly rational and perfectly willing to sit on-ass for the duration of their flight without raising a stink

'most' is meaningless when dealing with the number of people flying every day

99.99% of people could be perfectly fine and reasonable and the 0.01% will still cause tremendous grief

if you doubt me, just read through the easter egg thread
 

tynopik

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How the fuck can you make that assertion? You have no clue as to why he was really chosen.

because involuntary denied boardings happen often enough that they have written policies on how to deal with it

and you can bet your ass that there is nothing in the employee manual that says 'pick furreners first'
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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'most' is meaningless when dealing with the number of people flying every day

99.99% of people could be perfectly fine and reasonable and the 0.01% will still cause tremendous grief

if you doubt me, just read through the easter egg thread

Well, you can blame the airline for ruining your day, if some asshat starts complaining because his peanuts are too salty.
 

Ns1

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it happened, and since it did, we can expect certain things to happen, namely airlines are going to be scared to touch people and people know the airlines are going to be scared to touch them.

combine these two FACTS and the results are entirely predictable

I guess the FA's better come to work with a fat roll of 100's.
 

JEDI

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The fact he was chosen has nothing to do with his being Chinese.

That said, I suspect some Chinese (and others) will believe it is racially motivated.

This is about some really poor corporate-driven decisions being made leading to a senior being beat up, not a hate crime.
it could be worse for united.
he could have been black
 

JEDI

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The fact is, we don't know why he specifically was targeted. A pessimistic person might point out that he appeared to be old, and a foreigner, therefore less likely to cause a stink than a young person who is more likely to resist, or an American who has a higher expectation of rights.
huh?
thought they picked the 'volunteers' by price of ticket.
so the lowest 4 were picked.

hm.. I see.. what if there were 5+ who paid the same low price
 

[DHT]Osiris

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huh?
thought they picked the 'volunteers' by price of ticket.
so the lowest 4 were picked.

hm.. I see.. what if there were 5+ who paid the same low price

Citation? I wasn't aware anything was done by ticket price.

Even if so, as you said, there has to be some method of picking a person once you're past that.

Also, wouldn't they pick the most expensive tickets within coach? If they offer a $1k ticket person an offer on what would technically be a cheaper seat (on another flight), they made money.
 

eng2d2

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United: We didn't beat his ass and humiliate him enough. Let's look up his background and see if you can find any dirt.
United: Score! Telling the world he's a felon and gay will bring everyone to our side now!
Its public record no?
 

Ns1

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f they offer a $1k ticket person an offer on what would technically be a cheaper seat (on another flight), they made money.

if you're buying a $1k ticket you're probably not going to be moved by $400-$800.
 

DrunkenSano

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what they really need are security officers who are better trained in physical submissions and compliance holds. This was no giant muscle-bound man, there's no reason they couldn't forcibly remove him safely and efficiently

The old man was Chinese, he must know kung-fu. So burly security officers who can give a beat down were needed.
 

JEDI

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pic of victim at incident:



never would have thought he was close to 70
 

tynopik

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United: We didn't beat his ass and humiliate him enough. Let's look up his background and see if we can find any dirt.
United: Score! Telling the world he's a felon and gay will bring everyone to our side now!

it's called the daily fail for a reason

if they say he's a gay vietnamese felon, it's more likely he's a straight cambodian with no record
 

[DHT]Osiris

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pic of victim at incident:



never would have thought he was close to 70

I would, but I work with more than a few older men of asian descent.

To be fair, most aren't covered in blood though. Maybe that's making him look more chipper?
 

GagHalfrunt

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Common sense. But then again... Perhaps United has no common sense.

See, I'm giving them credit for maybe having a shred of common sense. Is it entirely out of the question that multiple people could have been kicked off based on whatever criteria they use to determine who gets fucked? And is it entirely out of the question that whoever made the decision followed some thought process like "pregnant woman, can't touch her. Black family, looks racist if we do them, old Chinese guy, perfect, he's probably meek and conditioned to obey oppressive authority"? If somebody told me I had to toss a person off a plane I'd go for the one least likely to scream, fight and sue, wouldn't you? I'm not saying that's exactly how he was chosen, but I'm not willing to believe that didn't have at least something to do with it.
 

GagHalfrunt

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because involuntary denied boardings happen often enough that they have written policies on how to deal with it

and you can bet your ass that there is nothing in the employee manual that says 'pick chinks first'

And you can bet your ass if the written policies targeted a pregnant black woman based on the specific criteria followed then someone would have made a decision to go to option B.
 
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