Upcoming Dell 2707FPW & 2407FPW & 2007FPW discussion

[vtohthree]

**Update, Dell USA has the 2007 up for sale now:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/Prod...ductlisting.aspx&instock=&refurbished=

I just wanted to start a small discussion about the 2407FPW that is yet to come. Can anyone speculate the manufacturer for the glass? HDCP compliant? Improvements? Dissappointments? etc.


Articles:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/23/dells-2407wfp-surfaces-again/
That's a link to it. There's also all this talk about the new S-ips processors for the new glass pressed out by LGphillips.

****edited Also includes 2707:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1466

 

[ElFenix]

didn't dell already release the specs?

 

[vtohthree]

Yes, well kind of, that's what the link was for. But I mean, speculation on the new processor and panel that its running, and real advantages over the current generation models.

 

[Robocop]

Is this monitor a S-IPS or PVA? Also, everything seems to point to it being a simple rework of the 2405, does not really look to be a new design.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Funny that like the first 5 posts are guys fretting about HDCP, while isn't that one of the main features of the Dell xxx7 series over the xxx5's ?

 

[the other mike]

when's the 2007fp gonna come out? any news on price?

 

[Jazzatola]

The 2407 is out in Japan already but, here in the UK, Dell are running a buy-one-get-one-half-price deal on the 2405 until March 29th so I don't think we'll see the 2407 over here until then. The same probably goes for the 2007 too.

Meanwhile, the docs are now available:

http://support.euro.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/2007WFP/en/index.htm
http://support.euro.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/2407WFP/en/index.htm

But I couldn't see any mention of HDCP there.

 

[Nocturnal]

Is there going to be a 2707? Or was I just reading things wrong.

 

[the other mike]

can't find any specs or projected price... i'm in the market for a 20" monitor and my budget is $450 max. should i track down the 2005fpw or should i wait for the 2007fpw?

 

[zzzvideocardzzz]

how does 1 spend 800 dollars for a 24" lcd when a 20" cost only 290.

 

[Madellga]

Originally posted by: zzzvideocardzzz
how does 1 spend 800 dollars for a 24" lcd when a 20" cost only 290.

Because bigger is better.....

How does 1 spend 350.000 dollars on a Ferrari when a Malibu costs only 15.000?

 

[zzzvideocardzzz]

Originally posted by: Madellga

Originally posted by: zzzvideocardzzz
how does 1 spend 800 dollars for a 24" lcd when a 20" cost only 290.

Because bigger is better.....

How does 1 spend 350.000 dollars on a Ferrari when a Malibu costs only 15.000?

don't compare cars to lcds they're completely different and cars are more complicated. Iz easy to like being ripped off since u don't have finacial problems

 

[Wall7486]

Originally posted by: zzzvideocardzzz
how does 1 spend 800 dollars for a 24" lcd when a 20" cost only 290.

Where do you get a low ms 20" LCD for 290? I really want to know. Even some of the nice Viewsonic 19" costs a bit over 300.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: zzzvideocardzzz

Originally posted by: Madellga

Originally posted by: zzzvideocardzzz
how does 1 spend 800 dollars for a 24" lcd when a 20" cost only 290.

Because bigger is better.....

How does 1 spend 350.000 dollars on a Ferrari when a Malibu costs only 15.000?

don't compare cars to lcds they're completely different and cars are more complicated. Iz easy to like being ripped off since u don't have finacial problems

There is a good comparison in certain car models, like the Porsche 911 and it's numerous revisions over the years.

Personally pricing the screens like they do (£942 for a 2405FPW) is really stupid. It's the biggest limiting factor on the sales of them, especially when the 2005FPW costs just over £400. Oh and the 3007FPW (only current Dell LCD available in the UK with HDCP) comes in at a whopping £1470.

The article with leaked specs is here: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1344

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Robocop
Is this monitor a S-IPS or PVA? Also, everything seems to point to it being a simple rework of the 2405, does not really look to be a new design.

(Speculation)

2007WFP = LG Philips LCD S-IPS LM201W01 panel, 8-bit color
2407WFP = Samsung S-PVA LTM240M2 panel, 8-bit color (2405FPW is a PVA LTM240M1 6-bit)

In comparison to the 2005FPW, The 2007WFP will have a higher contrast and faster response time.

The 2407WFP's image won't change much but it will now feature HDCP and picture-in-picture/picture-by-picture.

Edit: didn't even realize the new specs but looks like the 2407WFP will use the 8-bit panel now and have a faster response time.

 

[zzzvideocardzzz]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: zzzvideocardzzz

Originally posted by: Madellga

Originally posted by: zzzvideocardzzz
how does 1 spend 800 dollars for a 24" lcd when a 20" cost only 290.

Because bigger is better.....

How does 1 spend 350.000 dollars on a Ferrari when a Malibu costs only 15.000?

don't compare cars to lcds they're completely different and cars are more complicated. Iz easy to like being ripped off since u don't have finacial problems

There is a good comparison in certain car models, like the Porsche 911 and it's numerous revisions over the years.

Personally pricing the screens like they do (£942 for a 2405FPW) is really stupid. It's the biggest limiting factor on the sales of them, especially when the 2005FPW costs just over £400. Oh and the 3007FPW (only current Dell LCD available in the UK with HDCP) comes in at a whopping £1470.

The article with leaked specs is here: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1344

dell can only jack up the price like this because there are no real competitors in the 24" lcd market

 

[thebigdude]

i wish they would just release them already

the longer they are making me wait the more i am considering going with something else

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Robocop
Is this monitor a S-IPS or PVA? Also, everything seems to point to it being a simple rework of the 2405, does not really look to be a new design.

(Speculation)

2007WFP = LG Philips LCD S-IPS LM201W01 panel, 8-bit color
2407WFP = Samsung S-PVA LTM240M2 panel, 8-bit color (2405FPW is a PVA LTM240M1 6-bit)

In comparison to the 2005FPW, The 2007WFP will have a higher contrast and faster response time.

The 2407WFP's image won't change much but it will now feature HDCP and picture-in-picture/picture-by-picture.

Edit: didn't even realize the new specs but looks like the 2407WFP will use the 8-bit panel now and have a faster response time.

Uh, the 2405fpw uses a 8bit panel. At least their website lists 16.7 million colors versus the 6bit 16.2 million colors as the Samsung site lists 16.7 million colors for the LTM240M1 panel

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Robocop
Is this monitor a S-IPS or PVA? Also, everything seems to point to it being a simple rework of the 2405, does not really look to be a new design.

(Speculation)

2007WFP = LG Philips LCD S-IPS LM201W01 panel, 8-bit color
2407WFP = Samsung S-PVA LTM240M2 panel, 8-bit color (2405FPW is a PVA LTM240M1 6-bit)

In comparison to the 2005FPW, The 2007WFP will have a higher contrast and faster response time.

The 2407WFP's image won't change much but it will now feature HDCP and picture-in-picture/picture-by-picture.

Edit: didn't even realize the new specs but looks like the 2407WFP will use the 8-bit panel now and have a faster response time.

michaelpatrick33 is right the 2405fpw is 8-bit.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Robocop
Is this monitor a S-IPS or PVA? Also, everything seems to point to it being a simple rework of the 2405, does not really look to be a new design.

(Speculation)

2007WFP = LG Philips LCD S-IPS LM201W01 panel, 8-bit color
2407WFP = Samsung S-PVA LTM240M2 panel, 8-bit color (2405FPW is a PVA LTM240M1 6-bit)

In comparison to the 2005FPW, The 2007WFP will have a higher contrast and faster response time.

The 2407WFP's image won't change much but it will now feature HDCP and picture-in-picture/picture-by-picture.

Edit: didn't even realize the new specs but looks like the 2407WFP will use the 8-bit panel now and have a faster response time.

michaelpatrick33 is right the 2405fpw is 8-bit.

Their *PVA panels are not all 8-bit. Some use 6-bit with a 2x2 dither pattern as discovered on the Samsung 970P. The S-PVAs are the 8-bit ones, but the LTM240M1 is simply a PVA-type 6-bit TFT panel. Eizo uses the M2 version in their S2410W because it has a true 8-bit driver and is more suited toward color/graphics work.

Take a look here: http://www.samsung.com/Products/TFTLCD/common/product_list.aspx?family_cd=UST01

They state 16.7M (with A/D Board) and 16.7M (True 8-bit). The LTM240W1, since it's PVA, would be the 16.7M (with A/D Board). That's the pattern I noticed in there, was that all the PVAs were A/D and the S-PVAs were True. There's lots of misinformation out there, as it was previously thought all PVAs were 8-bit, and most review sites have fallen for that. Samsung's chart there is relaly inconsistent though. My guess is that the ones that don't like true 8-bit are not.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Robocop
Is this monitor a S-IPS or PVA? Also, everything seems to point to it being a simple rework of the 2405, does not really look to be a new design.

(Speculation)

2007WFP = LG Philips LCD S-IPS LM201W01 panel, 8-bit color
2407WFP = Samsung S-PVA LTM240M2 panel, 8-bit color (2405FPW is a PVA LTM240M1 6-bit)

In comparison to the 2005FPW, The 2007WFP will have a higher contrast and faster response time.

The 2407WFP's image won't change much but it will now feature HDCP and picture-in-picture/picture-by-picture.

Edit: didn't even realize the new specs but looks like the 2407WFP will use the 8-bit panel now and have a faster response time.

michaelpatrick33 is right the 2405fpw is 8-bit.

Their *PVA panels are not all 8-bit. Some use 6-bit with a 2x2 dither pattern as discovered on the Samsung 970P. The S-PVAs are the 8-bit ones, but the LTM240M1 is simply a PVA-type 6-bit TFT panel. Eizo uses the M2 version in their S2410W because it has a true 8-bit driver and is more suited toward color/graphics work.

Take a look here: http://www.samsung.com/Products/TFTLCD/common/product_list.aspx?family_cd=UST01

They state 16.7M (with A/D Board) and 16.7M (True 8-bit). The LTM240W1, since it's PVA, would be the 16.7M (with A/D Board). That's the pattern I noticed in there, was that all the PVAs were A/D and the S-PVAs were True.

everything i have read about the dell says 8-bit. the guys over at hardforum wouldnt touch this thing if it was 6-bit. i also looked around at extremetech and everything i can find says 8-bit.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: toyota
everything i have read about the dell says 8-bit. the guys over at hardforum wouldnt touch this thing if it was 6-bit. i also looked around at extremetech and everything i can find says 8-bit.

Most people hardly notice the dithering. If it's good, you probably won't notice it at all. In the 970P's case it was quite blatant and discovered quickly because it was a rather primitive shading method, possibly due to conflicts with overdrive.

They may have started using frame rate control, a "perfect" method, like in their TN panels now. The key difference in color range is due to the contrast difference between TN and PVA,MVA,IPS types. That on the other hand, is clearly noticeable. My VP930b is listed as 6-bit+FRC on ViewSonic Germany but I can tell you since it is high-contrast it's still a far cry from my 6-bit Samsung 710T. Huge difference.

Dithering/frame rate control is supposed to prevent compression of the dynamic range, so unless you actually see flickering, it's safe to assume you're getting the whole dynamic range you would have gotten if it were truly 8-bit. Frame rate control makes this virtually invisible to most humans. Sure, it's still visible a LITTLE bit to people who know what to look for. But the definite key difference they're speaking of is the contrast between these panel types when they talk of dramatic improvements.

 

[Madellga]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: zzzvideocardzzz

Originally posted by: Madellga

Originally posted by: zzzvideocardzzz
how does 1 spend 800 dollars for a 24" lcd when a 20" cost only 290.

Because bigger is better.....

How does 1 spend 350.000 dollars on a Ferrari when a Malibu costs only 15.000?

don't compare cars to lcds they're completely different and cars are more complicated. Iz easy to like being ripped off since u don't have finacial problems

There is a good comparison in certain car models, like the Porsche 911 and it's numerous revisions over the years.

Personally pricing the screens like they do (£942 for a 2405FPW) is really stupid. It's the biggest limiting factor on the sales of them, especially when the 2005FPW costs just over £400. Oh and the 3007FPW (only current Dell LCD available in the UK with HDCP) comes in at a whopping £1470.

The article with leaked specs is here: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1344

yes, Dell prices are normally high online. The normal Joe will pay it.
You have to wait for a deal or try calling them. I got my 2405 with a 30% discount by calling. Took 3 phone calls to succeed and had to wait 2 months. They have quotas to fill, sometimes they will give the discount to reach it.

You can find some here - a guy who is probably buying in volume and reselling on ebay.

You don't have to pay, just wait for the right time and shop around.

Look here:

2005 for 499 Euros (340 Pounds)
http://cgi.ebay.de/Dell-2005fpw-20-1-wi...96QQcategoryZ19548QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

2405 for 889 Euros (613 Pounds)
http://cgi.ebay.de/Dell-24-2405FPW-Flat...17QQcategoryZ19548QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

3007 for 1699 Euros (1170 Pounds)
http://cgi.ebay.de/Dell-30-3007WFP-Flat...08QQcategoryZ19548QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It is much cheaper than you stated. And NO, I AM NOT THE ONE SELLING THIS. I don't live in UK.

Regards

 

[Jazzatola]

Judging by the feedback I've seen on some other forums I frequent, ericbunny is a very reputable seller. There's another guy going under the name of qprfootballclub that also sells the Dells in the UK. He runs a shop not too far from me and you can actually go round and pick the monitors up from him to save on shipping charges.

 

[Jazzatola]

Originally posted by: Jazzatola
...here in the UK, Dell are running a buy-one-get-one-half-price deal on the 2405 until March 29th so I don't think we'll see the 2407 over here until then.

And now 20% off until April 05th. I'm starting to wonder if the 2407 is ever going to appear.