[UPDATE 10/4/16] It is official! Pixel and Pixel XL (formerly Nexus 2016)

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Megatomic

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I think he returned his 5X to get a 6P so he may no longer have access to that.
I've owned a 5X for almost a week and I don't see what the problem is. But then again, I'm coming in after the phone has been patched several times and running on the latest update 7.0 Nougat which I'm sure may have fixed the legitimate issues people were initially having with the phone from between launch day to 6 months after release.

Besides the slow camera UI performance(but then again every Nexus phone including the 6P has that same issue).
Can you liken the camera UI performance to any other device? If it's faster than the camera on my OPO or HTC One A9 then it'll be no big deal. Thanks for replying lothar.
 

lothar

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Can you liken the camera UI performance to any other device? If it's faster than the camera on my OPO or HTC One A9 then it'll be no big deal. Thanks for replying lothar.
I haven't used either of those devices so I can't compare.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9742/the-google-nexus-5x-review/6 (Slower, camera focus latency, camera shot latency, longer exposures and processing time after taking a shot with HDR+ are the major complaints)

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9742/the-google-nexus-5x-review/7
The image quality was better than anything from OPO and HTC with the HDR+ setting and could hang with devices from Apple and Samsung at it's time.

The complaints for the Nexus camera has largely been fixed in the new Pixel devices which are now lightning fast and offer better camera performance than any Apple or Samsung device according to many reviews so far.
 

VashHT

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Has anyone's shipped out yet? I'm supposed to get mine next week so I think it will ship within the next couple days. Still contemplating cancelling my order and just waiting for the 128gb to be back in stock...

Edit:Sweet mine just shipped out, shipping from IL so I'm supposed to get it tomorrow!
 
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foghorn67

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I'm curious to see how these phones hold up over a few months. The issues with the Nexus 5X (and, to a lesser extent, the 6P) didn't manifest in a short enough time period to be raised in reviews.
My 5x got faster over time. The patches and Nougat helped immensely.
I love my 5x now.
 

Commodus

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Got to try both the Pixel and Pixel XL at the store tonight, and I'll say this: I would prefer the XL.

The simple answer: typing. The 4.7-inch iPhone is fine to type on, but the 5-inch Pixel feels a bit cramped because of its design (I could probably get used to it, it's just my initial impression). The Pixel XL, on the other hand, is big enough to type on comfortably without being overwhelming. Throw in the extra battery life and it seems like the safe choice.
 

agent00f

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Got to try both the Pixel and Pixel XL at the store tonight, and I'll say this: I would prefer the XL.

The simple answer: typing. The 4.7-inch iPhone is fine to type on, but the 5-inch Pixel feels a bit cramped because of its design (I could probably get used to it, it's just my initial impression). The Pixel XL, on the other hand, is big enough to type on comfortably without being overwhelming. Throw in the extra battery life and it seems like the safe choice.

The XL is unreasonably priced since with the Plus at least you get a better camera. It doesn't really cost any more for a slightly larger screen.
 

Commodus

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The XL is unreasonably priced since with the Plus at least you get a better camera. It doesn't really cost any more for a slightly larger screen.

True, but at the same time... if you want the bigger, badder phone, you'll probably pony up. Just wish there was a little extra to it, like more built-in storage.
 

tsupersonic

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Battery drain is still there in 7.1.1. I updated the day it was available on my 6P, so not much run time (and hope it gets better). As much as I like stock Android all my Nexus phones have been huge letdowns in battery vs. Other Android phones. This is the price you pay for fast updates...

Sent from my Nexus 6P
 

Capt Caveman

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Pixel XL 128gb back in stock. Finally, got a chance to order a black one with expected delivery around Thanksgiving.
 

Capt Caveman

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This is way off topic but I HAVE to ask. What is the state of the 5X right now in your opinion? With Nougat is it a good phone? All I knew prior to your post was that it was a laggy POS. If it's much improved I may have to reconsider my position and future upgrade options.

As Lothar mentioned, after several weeks of frustrations, I ordered a 6P and sold the 5X. I'm outdoors all the time running Runkeeper/Strava, playing music and if I stopped to take a picture(which I do often) after taking a pic or two, the phone would just freeze for minutes. Unacceptable to me, so I got rid of it. The 6P is light years better in performance but if I take a bunch of photos(in HDR+) and phone will still lag. Rumor has it the Pixel has little to no lag when taking photos. Excited to get it. It may not be the prettiest thing but it'll be going into a case when I get it.
 

VashHT

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Got my Pixel XL today, so far it's pretty awesome. Got the 32Gb and it has 29.7Gb free, the thing feels feels ridiculously fast so far but I've just been updating it so far. I actually put in an order for the 128Gb when they came back in stock so i might return this one but I may cancel that since I don't use that much space on my phones.
 
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thecoolnessrune

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I've been using my Pixel XL for a day and I'm really liking it, but still think maybe I should have went for the Pixel. I loved my 6P, but it was way too big, my Pixel XL feels much better in my hand, but I still feel it's a little large.
 

Kazukian

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A Pixel brutalized:


Stands up pretty well, never seen a cloth speaker covering on a phone though.
 

dawheat

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Hmm wasn't too impressed with the Pixel XL after playing with it at the Verizon store. Don't get me wrong, it feels like a competent phone but:

- the iPhone can get away with an understated design as it has 9 years of credibility behind it. The most positive thing to say about the XL is that it's clean and understated. But for non-techies, there's really no in-store draw to it. I get that Google is looking at this like a marathon, but they're settling for Pixel Year 1 to have relatively trivial sales. The camfers feel dated compared to the Note 7 or even the iPhone design.
- I have to assume it's due to the Demo software running, but there honestly seemed to be as much occasional stutter to it (initial loading of apps and being usable, keyboard being clickable) as my S7 Edge. Based on other reviews and having experienced how badly demo software ran on the S7 Edge, I feel confident to say it's not an issue with the phone but it's not doing it any favors in store.
- Camera seemed very good though it didn't seem to take photos any faster than my S7 Edge - though that may be a compliment considering how fast the S7 Edge it. The top tier cameras really seem to be hititng a wall.
- Side bezels are a bit generous considering it's a 2H 2016 device and as known, not a fan of the tall chin but in person it's not a big deal (just like the iPhone).
- Display did seem excellent and I do really like the swipe up from the dock for the app drawer.

I'd be interested but not at the price point for a 128GB XL model.
 

Commodus

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Hmm wasn't too impressed with the Pixel XL after playing with it at the Verizon store. Don't get me wrong, it feels like a competent phone but:

- the iPhone can get away with an understated design as it has 9 years of credibility behind it. The most positive thing to say about the XL is that it's clean and understated. But for non-techies, there's really no in-store draw to it. I get that Google is looking at this like a marathon, but they're settling for Pixel Year 1 to have relatively trivial sales. The camfers feel dated compared to the Note 7 or even the iPhone design.
- I have to assume it's due to the Demo software running, but there honestly seemed to be as much occasional stutter to it (initial loading of apps and being usable, keyboard being clickable) as my S7 Edge. Based on other reviews and having experienced how badly demo software ran on the S7 Edge, I feel confident to say it's not an issue with the phone but it's not doing it any favors in store.
- Camera seemed very good though it didn't seem to take photos any faster than my S7 Edge - though that may be a compliment considering how fast the S7 Edge it. The top tier cameras really seem to be hititng a wall.
- Side bezels are a bit generous considering it's a 2H 2016 device and as known, not a fan of the tall chin but in person it's not a big deal (just like the iPhone).
- Display did seem excellent and I do really like the swipe up from the dock for the app drawer.

I'd be interested but not at the price point for a 128GB XL model.

The demo units I've tried were more responsive than the S7/S7 Edge, so I wonder how much of this is just variation or bad units.

I think the Pixel's advantage in the mainstream may simply be this: it's a very good phone with the full weight of Google's marketing behind it. Many phone manufacturers lack marketing, quality hardware or both, so they either can't convince you to try out their wares or don't have something worth trying. Basically: Google might have just put itself on the level of Apple or Samsung (in potential, anyway) where most other big names, like LG and Sony, still get treated like niche brands.
 

Kazukian

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I wonder how much we'll know about unit sales of the Pixel line. Samsung is far from mortally wounded, and I suspect the S8 will be a damn serious phone. To me, the attraction to Google's phone offerings were the price and geek cred.
 

hans007

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Hmm wasn't too impressed with the Pixel XL after playing with it at the Verizon store. Don't get me wrong, it feels like a competent phone but:

- the iPhone can get away with an understated design as it has 9 years of credibility behind it. The most positive thing to say about the XL is that it's clean and understated. But for non-techies, there's really no in-store draw to it. I get that Google is looking at this like a marathon, but they're settling for Pixel Year 1 to have relatively trivial sales. The camfers feel dated compared to the Note 7 or even the iPhone design.
- I have to assume it's due to the Demo software running, but there honestly seemed to be as much occasional stutter to it (initial loading of apps and being usable, keyboard being clickable) as my S7 Edge. Based on other reviews and having experienced how badly demo software ran on the S7 Edge, I feel confident to say it's not an issue with the phone but it's not doing it any favors in store.
- Camera seemed very good though it didn't seem to take photos any faster than my S7 Edge - though that may be a compliment considering how fast the S7 Edge it. The top tier cameras really seem to be hititng a wall.
- Side bezels are a bit generous considering it's a 2H 2016 device and as known, not a fan of the tall chin but in person it's not a big deal (just like the iPhone).
- Display did seem excellent and I do really like the swipe up from the dock for the app drawer.

I'd be interested but not at the price point for a 128GB XL model.

we have both models at my office as test phones. honestly for the price, and next to say other top tier phones we had at work (like s7 edge or moto z etc) it just doesnt feel like its $800 or whatever . the htc 10 somehow felt more expensive. yeah yeah updates etc. but google isnt exactly the best at putting out solid firmware (at least on nexus) so honestly they need a ton of updates. the phone is good if you dont consider the price, but i feel like this is gonna be a flop, and you'll be seeing 32gb pixels on groupon for $400 in 6 months
 

ControlD

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Surprisingly, I have seen quite a few Pixels in the wild already. Two people in my office showed up with them (both the smaller model) this week. I spent some time with one and I was impressed. It feels almost as good as the iPhone 7 in hand to me. The camera is so much better than my N6 it isn't funny. If I were looking for a new phone today, I believe the smaller Pixel would be my top choice. As it is, I will be sticking with my N6 for at least six more months, so if the price does plummet I'll be ready to jump on a deal.
 

VashHT

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I've been really happy with mine so far, the extra power over the 6P is really noticeable in the camera and web browsing. Also the battery seems to hold up way better than the 6P under use, doze seems to work better (only dropped 3% after 9 hours or so on standby) and it doesn't drop as fast when I'm using it. Also some of the little annoyances I had with the 6P seem to be fixed, for example the auto brightness works far better on the pixel than on my 6P, little things like that just make the experience better overall.
 

agent00f

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Hmm wasn't too impressed with the Pixel XL after playing with it at the Verizon store. Don't get me wrong, it feels like a competent phone but:

- the iPhone can get away with an understated design as it has 9 years of credibility behind it. The most positive thing to say about the XL is that it's clean and understated. But for non-techies, there's really no in-store draw to it. I get that Google is looking at this like a marathon, but they're settling for Pixel Year 1 to have relatively trivial sales. The camfers feel dated compared to the Note 7 or even the iPhone design.
- I have to assume it's due to the Demo software running, but there honestly seemed to be as much occasional stutter to it (initial loading of apps and being usable, keyboard being clickable) as my S7 Edge. Based on other reviews and having experienced how badly demo software ran on the S7 Edge, I feel confident to say it's not an issue with the phone but it's not doing it any favors in store.
- Camera seemed very good though it didn't seem to take photos any faster than my S7 Edge - though that may be a compliment considering how fast the S7 Edge it. The top tier cameras really seem to be hititng a wall.
- Side bezels are a bit generous considering it's a 2H 2016 device and as known, not a fan of the tall chin but in person it's not a big deal (just like the iPhone).
- Display did seem excellent and I do really like the swipe up from the dock for the app drawer.

I'd be interested but not at the price point for a 128GB XL model.

The lag/latency problems on Android aren't with the hardware, so there's no reason to believe they'll be cured with an incremental update. Android battery drain bugs are similarly just a routine joke at this point.

Google has shown it simply doesn't give a shit about a premium user experience for basic smartphone features (whereas apple purposely cripples ios, because f u).
 

thecoolnessrune

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I'm personally surprised at all the quick responses on AT dismissing these phones, and I'm almost certain it has to do with the price of it.

I've been daily driving both the Nexus 6P and the Pixel XL, and have had none of the experiences of the people trying demo phones or quick touches.

There were notes of the "understated" look of the phone, but the chamfered edges of this phone feel leads better than my 6P. Setting up the phone was painless, but I really wish Android would get up to date on enforcing good backups and restores. I would have loved to reinstall all my apps with data in tact (all my authorization apps and things with accounts). But Android just doesn't do that well. So I had to clean off all my apps, and break / reinstate my authenticator tokens. That's a bit of a pain.

Android on this phone is not Android on the 6P. It's not Android on any Android phone I've ever experienced. The experience is very smooth. I have not experienced any lagged responses, no stutters, or anything like that. Graphics benchmarks lost 5 FPS at 1440P between the first run, and 20 minutes later of steady runs. I experienced very little practical downclocking going on.

The display is absolutely fantastic, the Storage is lightning fast (I imported 50GB of my music from my USB SSD to my phone in 7 minutes). The USB Power Delivery standard charging is even faster than the 6P's.

Speaking of power, the battery life on this is not even in the same league with the 6P. I'm sitting here on my phone that's been used for a day and a half. There's still 35% battery left. This is every bit in the same league with the iPhone, which early reports were indicating.

The camera is fast. The pictures it takes looks great. The Front Facing Camera (for as little as I use it) may be the best one I've ever used, even compared to my coworkers iPhone 7 Plus.

It's a good phone. Just like the 6P, iPhone, and every other phone before it, there's things I wish were different, changed, or slightly tweaked. Honestly, I still kind of wish I got the regular Pixel. I think I underestimate just how much I miss small phones.

But from just a few days with it I can easily determine this. If you are saying that the Pixel is just an overpriced Nexus, you're simply wrong, and I implore you to give it a chance.

The real question is, how is this vs. the iPhone 7 Plus? The hardware is not at parity with the iPhone 7. No water proofing, but a better camera are just 2 points that differentiate the similar priced devices. But for me, and a lot of others, the way the Apple ecosystem works is enough of a reason why the iPhone 7 won't be a consideration, and for me, for that reason, the Pixel XL is a winner.
 

Kazukian

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I'm personally surprised at all the quick responses on AT dismissing these phones, and I'm almost certain it has to do with the price of it.

I've been daily driving both the Nexus 6P and the Pixel XL, and have had none of the experiences of the people trying demo phones or quick touches.

There were notes of the "understated" look of the phone, but the chamfered edges of this phone feel leads better than my 6P. Setting up the phone was painless, but I really wish Android would get up to date on enforcing good backups and restores. I would have loved to reinstall all my apps with data in tact (all my authorization apps and things with accounts). But Android just doesn't do that well. So I had to clean off all my apps, and break / reinstate my authenticator tokens. That's a bit of a pain.

Android on this phone is not Android on the 6P. It's not Android on any Android phone I've ever experienced. The experience is very smooth. I have not experienced any lagged responses, no stutters, or anything like that. Graphics benchmarks lost 5 FPS at 1440P between the first run, and 20 minutes later of steady runs. I experienced very little practical downclocking going on.

The display is absolutely fantastic, the Storage is lightning fast (I imported 50GB of my music from my USB SSD to my phone in 7 minutes). The USB Power Delivery standard charging is even faster than the 6P's.

Speaking of power, the battery life on this is not even in the same league with the 6P. I'm sitting here on my phone that's been used for a day and a half. There's still 35% battery left. This is every bit in the same league with the iPhone, which early reports were indicating.

The camera is fast. The pictures it takes looks great. The Front Facing Camera (for as little as I use it) may be the best one I've ever used, even compared to my coworkers iPhone 7 Plus.

It's a good phone. Just like the 6P, iPhone, and every other phone before it, there's things I wish were different, changed, or slightly tweaked. Honestly, I still kind of wish I got the regular Pixel. I think I underestimate just how much I miss small phones.

But from just a few days with it I can easily determine this. If you are saying that the Pixel is just an overpriced Nexus, you're simply wrong, and I implore you to give it a chance.

The real question is, how is this vs. the iPhone 7 Plus? The hardware is not at parity with the iPhone 7. No water proofing, but a better camera are just 2 points that differentiate the similar priced devices. But for me, and a lot of others, the way the Apple ecosystem works is enough of a reason why the iPhone 7 won't be a consideration, and for me, for that reason, the Pixel XL is a winner.

The reviews I've read simply call it "The best Android phone" that's saying a lot.

Although the whole "don't like the Apple ecosystem" argument is becoming less and less valid, I've used Android since the G1 Dream, and Google's ecosystem is more like Apple's than ever, expect that trend to continue. I suspect Google will continue down the path of differentiating it's hardware from other's with customized software, and I think Google has just gotten sick and tired of Samsung leveraging their position in the market with them. I'd wager Google is willing to tell Samsung to go Tizen or be quiet.
 
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