**Update** $132 P4-1.6a (shipped) @ Newegg and Mainboard comparision to go with.

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mrVW

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I'm curious why so many people are concerned about the high-speed DDR?

In particular, I think you guys should reconsider getting two 256MB modules over a single 512MB module. $90 for 256MB PC2700 doesn't make sense to me if you can get a SINGLE 512MB PC2100 module from Crucial for $135 (existing business customer can login and get a 20% discount right now).

DDR mainboards are really short on slots for memory, 512MB is not very much today... all those graphic chew it up!

ALSO: On both the Intel and SiS chipset I have found that mixing RAM brands leads to unreliable operation. I suspect it is just more the nature of DDR putting more stress on the system.



Overclocked faster than real thing, correct?

One thing I wanted to confirm: My overclocked 1.6a @ 150Mhz fsb is running @ 2.4Ghz, 16x multiplier. A "real" 2.4Ghz retail chip only runs at 100Mhz FSB, right? So our overclocked 2.4Ghz is not only cheaper, it is also faster, correct?

 

tigerbait

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<< So our overclocked 2.4Ghz is not only cheaper, it is also faster, correct? >>



I would assume so.
 

Expandable

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So our overclocked 2.4Ghz is not only cheaper, it is also faster, correct?

No need to assume. It is correct!

Now tell me how much of improvent moving from 100Mhz FSB to 150?
 

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Automator, jmg888, daclayman...... DONT BUY THE P4S333-"M" It does not have voltage adjustment! If you want to overclock get the P4S333.

saw a post in the hot deals thread about the voltage adjustment on the "m" version, you would have to wrap a wire around two pins on the cpu to raise the voltage on the "m" version.
 

exp

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<< DONT BUY THE P4S333-"M" It does not have voltage adjustment! If you want to overclock get the P4S333. >>


Can't you still modify the voltage using the wire trick?
 

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<< hehe, just edited to include that info while you were posting >>


LOL...so has anyone tried the voltage mod yet? I would be interested to hear how far the P4S333-M can go without voltage limitations. I would assume as high as its regular ATX sibling, but who knows?
 

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MrVW

was wanting to get 512 of 2700 memory; however, can't seem to find it yet. Mushkin might have it as I recall.....
anyway, was looking at corsair 2700 and only comes in 256. thinking about the future upgradability and all, thought it might be better to stick with pc2700 intead of pc2100.
that only leaves 512 of pc2100 or 256 of pc2700 x 2. Did not want to get 2 sticks of 256 pc2700 since the ram slots are few. Don't really know anything about Mushkin vs corsair vs crucial, other than corsair I think has the best reputation.
any thoughts?
 

NoVo

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Anyone know whether the Swiftech MC462A will work with the P4 1.6a and the ASUS P4B266? I've Been an AMD-Head for the past year or so.
 

NoVo

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Sorry, just answered my own question....with a little research... The P4B266 has a socket 478 PGA, thus the Swiftech MCX478 would be the only compatible HS from Swiftech.
 

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Can't....resist....temptation....

I am still pondering on whether to get a 1.8a or 1.6a.

-x86
 

LarryL

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I have 2 celleron 300's running at 450 = 50% overclock

I have 1 celleron 566 running at 850 = 50% overclock

I have 1 P4 1.6a running at 2.4gig = 50% overclock

Pentium 4 Northwood 1.6a
Asus P4S333
256 meg Mushkin PC2700 cas2

Bought as a package deal from PC Nut for $409
it was worth the difference in price for the gaurantee.

He sold it as a 2.2gig (16 x 138) but he delivered
2.4gig ( 16 x 150 ) 1.6 volt. Burned and tested
why take a chance.
 

LarryL

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I posted that my package from PC Nut had
PC2700 memory. NOT

It is PC 2100 cas 2.

I gota get new fingers!
 

mrVW

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Latest info...

P4S333 - I am able to run at 155Mhz FSB, but I backed it down to 153Mhz FSB just to have a little safety margin. 2448Mhz, not bad for a 1600Mhz with stock heatsink! Running 1.6volt for a little extra safety margin too.

The on-board audio cuts out on me after 5 minutes of use, even at 150Mhz FSB. I tried an Aopen PCI card that uses the same audio chipset, it too had problems cutting out. I guess it doesn't like the PCI being at 37Mhz or higher... I finally broke down and put in a Sound Blaster Live PCI, problem solved.

Crucial PC2100 running great at 153Mhz (despite being 133Mhz rated), all 1.5GB of it!
 

Slacker

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mrVW, what other pci cards so you have? any ata100 controller? and what about your usb? does it work properly? I have a p4s333 and the 1.6a should be here monday, I have four hard drives on a maxtor ata100 controllerthinking about selling them and the card and getting one big drive so I could put the drive and my cd, cdrw and dvd all on the motherboard controller, and if usb is working properly I can yank the nic and use a wireless usb network adapter, since I have digital usb speakers and cable internet (no dialup no modem)I would end up with no pci cards installed

oh, yeah, what country is your chip, costa rica or malay?
 

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will the above CPU over clock to about 4GIG.
 

Slacker

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No, it will top out around 2.8 like some of the 1.8's are doing, I have heard of a couple 1.8 to 2.2's doing 2.8, only one report of 3.2 and I think that was from 2.4
 

mrVW

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Slacker, yes, I do have an extra disk controller - an ATA133 one. All working at 153Mhz FSB without problem:

2 LinkSys LNE100TX 4.1 10/100 Ethernet Network (I sometimes use machine for routing, I have two Ethernet adapters.)
1 Matrox G550 Dual Head 32MB AGP video adapter (4x AGP mode)
1 Maxtor / Promise Ultra133TX2 controller. This came with a retail 80GB Maxtor 7200 RPM drive I am using. I reflashed it with Promise firmware so I could install XP on it. I have my hard drives off this controller, cdrw + dvd off mainboard controller (each device is on unique IDE channel, 2 hard drives + 1 cdrw + 1 dvd).
1 Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live (just a basic / cheap one)

One problem board:

1 Antec PCCard / PCMCIA controller interface

The PCMCIA to PCI adapter works fine for my Orinoco wireless 802.11b adapter, but if I try to put in any CardBus adapters it locks up machine. My IBM Firewire PCMCIA card is an example of a problem card. No big deal, as I really wanted the wireless Orinoco card and that is working. From what I gather, the problem with IRQ sharing of PCCard on a desktop isn't unique to my system... there are just drivers out there that don't share well.

I've had three-way routing (both Ethernet + wireless) going, DVD playing (full screen 1280x1024 PowerDvd), rc5 cracking, file copying over network all at once!

The Maxtor (Promise) ATA133 controller - personally I would rather have a Promise ATA100 - I've worked with those in the past. The ATA133 wasn't recognized by Windows XP Professional, so that was why I flashed it with Promise BIOS. I guess the Maxtor "flavored" BIOS on it wasn't matched by XP. My experience with the ATA100 version was that it worked fine, even with older products like Win2K.

The LinkSys LNE100TX network cards are great. I use them in all my OpenBSD routers and so forth, they are "clones of the Digital Tulip chipset" and are fast / efficent. I did try a LinkSys LNE100TX v5.1 (newer revision that just started showing up in stores), it worked fine too... but just for consistency I put in matched set of v4.1 adapters. I see no reason why the 5.1's wouldn't work. I've tested them to 155Mhz, not sure how high they go...

I'm still getting a few kinks out, but the system has been rock solid. Once I quit using the onboard audio, there has been no reason to reboot. I also put on an updated driver from Promise that cut my Windows XP Pro boot time from about 1 minute down to about 15 seconds (after BIOS POST completes)! I thought the 1 minute was just normal - that it was taking a long time to boot because of my three network adapters... but now I know it was the Promise drivers. 15 second boot time is really cool.

USB: I haven't had much use for it yet. I did hook up my compbo Firewire / USB1.1 external drive just to test it... it worked fine off the USB. I plugged it into the "2nd set" of USB that comes with the p4s333, I didn't try it on the "primary set" next to the keyboard/mouse (I don't expect any problems). I run my keyboard and mouse off the PS2 ports, mostly because I had some extension cables handy.

I haven't played with suspend much yet, I will when I get a chance. This system is in my RV (my wife and I fulltime RV, only our 6th month on the road)... and I often need to shut it down if we need to drive or whatever. Not reall good on the hard drives to be using them when driving I do have the hard drives in a shock-mount bay that is part of the 4u rack-mount case, but I'm pretty conservative about letting hard drives take road vibration. I won't let my wife use our Thinkpad Laptop's on the road unless it is ON her lap... putting it on a table or other surface often "amplifies" the vibration when driving. Hence, it would be nice of the suspect worked correctly, as sometimes I want to get the machine up to check my email and quickly get it back down. Sometimes even at gas stations or quick food stops. The BIOS on our ThinkPad laptops sometimes gives us trouble (serial ports to modem won't work right 1 out of 5 suspends and requires a reboot). If I can get the system to suspend right, it will be nearly perfect!

Hope this answers your question (and then some).

EDIT: Just for kicks I did a suspend. Right during the middile of a DVD movie... came back up and movie continued, didn't have to do a thing. All my network connections restored too (including the wireless Orinoco card). So the Asus BIOS is already pretty good. One odd thing I noticed. While asleep, my CDRW and DVD drives had power. I could open tray and everything. The hard drives did shut down (I could hear them park and spin down)... I haven't played much with suspend on a desktop, maybe that is normal.
 

JJordan

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Why is everyone buying the P4S333 instread of the P4B266 *?* Inquiring buyers want to know.
 

BigJ

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<< Why is everyone buying the P4S333 instread of the P4B266 *?* Inquiring buyers want to know. >>


Well, a few reasons I can think of are:
1) The 3rd USABLE memory bank (the P4B266 has 3, but only supports 4 memory banks, and most memory is double sided so 2*2 = 4banks in 2 slots.
2) The P4S333 has 533mhz FSB support due to it being based on the SiS 645 chipset
3) Few bucks cheaper for the retail version of the P4S333 them OEM of the P4B266-C and about $30-$40 cheaper then the P4B266.
4) Memory scores are better on the P4S333

 

mrVW

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One comment: the p4s333 only allows all three banks at PC2100, the PC2700 supports only two banks. Still, much better than the Intel board in memory support.
 

BigJ

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<< One comment: the p4s333 only allows all three banks at PC2100, the PC2700 supports only two banks. Still, much better than the Intel board in memory support. >>


What about if you have 3 sticks of PC2100 and somehow manage to get them up to PC2700specs by OC'ing them? Will the 3 sticks still work?
 

ZimZum

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<< Why is everyone buying the P4S333 instread of the P4B266 *?* Inquiring buyers want to know. >>


I say go with the MSI Ultra 645 it Outperforms them both and is only $73 at New Egg.
 
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