UPDATE 2! I CAN'T USE DHCP? Cox just shut off my internet service for downloading Battlestar Galactica

[mugs]

I'm not a networking guy so I may be wrong here... but wouldn't the only MAC address visible to Cox be the cable modem's MAC address?

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: mugs
I'm not a networking guy so I may be wrong here... but wouldn't the only MAC address visible to Cox be the cable modem's MAC address?

Yes. Beyond the modem they don't know what's going on unless you tell them. That's why Cox did not disconnect his router.

 

[Dean]

Cox seems strict.

Did you leave BG to seed for a long time or something? I could see them getting flaky if a lot of upload bandwidth was being used. Other than that I could not see them caring unless a distributor sent them a letter, which in turn they should have passed along to you.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: mugs
I'm not a networking guy so I may be wrong here... but wouldn't the only MAC address visible to Cox be the cable modem's MAC address?

Yes. Beyond the modem they don't know what's going on unless you tell them. That's why Cox did not disconnect his router.

No, they can also see the Mac Address of any device connected to the modem.

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: mugs
I'm not a networking guy so I may be wrong here... but wouldn't the only MAC address visible to Cox be the cable modem's MAC address?

Yes. Beyond the modem they don't know what's going on unless you tell them. That's why Cox did not disconnect his router.

Yes, Cox can see the router's MAC.

I work for a much smaller ISP than Cox and we can see any device's MAC that is directly connected to the cable modem.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: chrisms
An ISP wouldn't block your router, they would block the connection to your modem. Cox isn't going to deal with your router at all.

Next time this happens, unplug the power to the modem and the router. Shut down your computer. Plug in the power to the modem. Wait for it to come back online, then plug in the router. Then start up your computer.

They may have sent a hit to the modem which reset its connection, causing your modem and router to be out of sync. Thus when you connect directly to the modem, the two devices sync up again and your connecton works.

But again, unless Cox supplied the router they are not going to touch it nor even know it is there.

That is a lovely suggestion taht didn't work when I originally tried it.

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: mugs
I'm not a networking guy so I may be wrong here... but wouldn't the only MAC address visible to Cox be the cable modem's MAC address?

Yes. Beyond the modem they don't know what's going on unless you tell them. That's why Cox did not disconnect his router.

Yes, Cox can see the router's MAC.

I work for a much smaller ISP than Cox and we can see any device's MAC that is directly connected to the cable modem.

Ok, let me say this differently. They don't care whats going on unless you tell them as part of troubleshooting. If you are doing something and they want to disconnect you, they're going to click the disconnect button. They aren't going to connect to the modem, find the router mac address, and issue a block for that. It would take ten times as long and not serve any purpose.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Dean
Cox seems strict.

Did you leave BG to seed for a long time or something? I could see them getting flaky if a lot of upload bandwidth was being used. Other than that I could not see them caring unless a distributor sent them a letter, which in turn they should have passed along to you.

No, it was only 57% finished downloading. I wasn't particularly seeding.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: mugs
I'm not a networking guy so I may be wrong here... but wouldn't the only MAC address visible to Cox be the cable modem's MAC address?

Yes. Beyond the modem they don't know what's going on unless you tell them. That's why Cox did not disconnect his router.

Yes, Cox can see the router's MAC.

I work for a much smaller ISP than Cox and we can see any device's MAC that is directly connected to the cable modem.

Yup!! When I used to work for an ISP, the police would call us all the time looking to see if we had a mac address of a stolen computer that someone else re-registered. It is all in the system

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Dean
Cox seems strict.

Did you leave BG to seed for a long time or something? I could see them getting flaky if a lot of upload bandwidth was being used. Other than that I could not see them caring unless a distributor sent them a letter, which in turn they should have passed along to you.

No, it was only 57% finished downloading. I wasn't particularly seeding.

WOW! Get another ISP stat!!

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: chrisms
An ISP wouldn't block your router, they would block the connection to your modem. Cox isn't going to deal with your router at all.

Next time this happens, unplug the power to the modem and the router. Shut down your computer. Plug in the power to the modem. Wait for it to come back online, then plug in the router. Then start up your computer.

They may have sent a hit to the modem which reset its connection, causing your modem and router to be out of sync. Thus when you connect directly to the modem, the two devices sync up again and your connecton works.

But again, unless Cox supplied the router they are not going to touch it nor even know it is there.

That is a lovely suggestion taht didn't work when I originally tried it.

The length of time you leave the modem unplugged (30 seconds) and the order and timing of powering everything up must be done perfectly or else it is all for nothing. Unless I guide you through it I'll assume you did it wrong because at least 99% of people mess up in one step or another.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: mugs
I'm not a networking guy so I may be wrong here... but wouldn't the only MAC address visible to Cox be the cable modem's MAC address?

Yes. Beyond the modem they don't know what's going on unless you tell them. That's why Cox did not disconnect his router.

Yes, Cox can see the router's MAC.

I work for a much smaller ISP than Cox and we can see any device's MAC that is directly connected to the cable modem.

Ok, let me say this differently. They don't care whats going on unless you tell them as part of troubleshooting. If you are doing something and they want to disconnect you, they're going to click the disconnect button. They aren't going to connect to the modem, find the router mac address, and issue a block for that. It would take ten times as long and not serve any purpose.

The reconnection "website" was probably set to only enable to teh connection for the computer I was on, which is why it appears that the router's mac is "blocked." I bet if I connected the modem directly to my other computer that the connection wouldn't work for it, either. It was just a crappy way of enabling the connection.

For the record, cloning this computer's mac address (the computer on which I enabled the connection) to the router HAS worked. I am currently connected with the router.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Dean

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: mugs
I'm not a networking guy so I may be wrong here... but wouldn't the only MAC address visible to Cox be the cable modem's MAC address?

Yes. Beyond the modem they don't know what's going on unless you tell them. That's why Cox did not disconnect his router.

Yes, Cox can see the router's MAC.

I work for a much smaller ISP than Cox and we can see any device's MAC that is directly connected to the cable modem.

Yup!! When I used to work for an ISP, the police would call us all the time looking to see if we had a mac address of a stolen computer that someone else re-registered. It is all in the system

Ah I see - so only the device that is connected directly to the modem?

Originally posted by: Dean

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Dean
Cox seems strict.

Did you leave BG to seed for a long time or something? I could see them getting flaky if a lot of upload bandwidth was being used. Other than that I could not see them caring unless a distributor sent them a letter, which in turn they should have passed along to you.

No, it was only 57% finished downloading. I wasn't particularly seeding.

WOW! Get another ISP stat!!

I'm sure Cox only cares because the copyright holder made them care.

 

[iamaelephant]

Originally posted by: child of wonder
However, I agree. Downloading TV shows should NOT be illegal.

Erm, say whaaat?! You think it's ok to circumvent copyright and steal someone's precious work? I hope like hell that one day you invest thousands of hours and tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars into something and get nothing out of it because snotty-nosed forum-goers think it's ok to steal your work.

And before anyone says anything, yes, I download TV shows. I download them because they air earlier in USA than in NZ and a handful of my favourite shows are important enough for me to really want to see them. I also buy the DVDs for these shows immediately upon release, so I don't feel guilty about it.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Dean

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Dean
Cox seems strict.

Did you leave BG to seed for a long time or something? I could see them getting flaky if a lot of upload bandwidth was being used. Other than that I could not see them caring unless a distributor sent them a letter, which in turn they should have passed along to you.

No, it was only 57% finished downloading. I wasn't particularly seeding.

WOW! Get another ISP stat!!

Unfortunately my apartment complex only has two options

Cox Cable, which is $49.99 per month for just the internet with 6Mbps. The service is not especially great, since there's a monthly outage. The original wall socket was done so poorly that a tech had to come out and completely replace it, which was nice of him to do without charging me.

Qwest DSL, which is $55 per month for the internet and one phone line. This connection is only 1.5 Mbps.

Qwest and Cox Cable have a monopoly in my city (Tucson, AZ). There are essentially no alternatives.

I tend not to download very much, I only recently downloaded the first three seasons of House MD. I might download at most 10 GB weekly.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Dean

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: mugs
I'm not a networking guy so I may be wrong here... but wouldn't the only MAC address visible to Cox be the cable modem's MAC address?

Yes. Beyond the modem they don't know what's going on unless you tell them. That's why Cox did not disconnect his router.

Yes, Cox can see the router's MAC.

I work for a much smaller ISP than Cox and we can see any device's MAC that is directly connected to the cable modem.

Yup!! When I used to work for an ISP, the police would call us all the time looking to see if we had a mac address of a stolen computer that someone else re-registered. It is all in the system

Ah I see - so only the device that is connected directly to the modem?

Originally posted by: Dean

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Dean
Cox seems strict.

Did you leave BG to seed for a long time or something? I could see them getting flaky if a lot of upload bandwidth was being used. Other than that I could not see them caring unless a distributor sent them a letter, which in turn they should have passed along to you.

No, it was only 57% finished downloading. I wasn't particularly seeding.

WOW! Get another ISP stat!!

I'm sure Cox only cares because the copyright holder made them care.

But are they policing their customers in real time by themselves? Most ISP's react to a letter that they then pass on to their customer. If that was a case he should have received a letter.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: chrisms
An ISP wouldn't block your router, they would block the connection to your modem. Cox isn't going to deal with your router at all.

Next time this happens, unplug the power to the modem and the router. Shut down your computer. Plug in the power to the modem. Wait for it to come back online, then plug in the router. Then start up your computer.

They may have sent a hit to the modem which reset its connection, causing your modem and router to be out of sync. Thus when you connect directly to the modem, the two devices sync up again and your connecton works.

But again, unless Cox supplied the router they are not going to touch it nor even know it is there.

That is a lovely suggestion taht didn't work when I originally tried it.

The length of time you leave the modem unplugged (30 seconds) and the order and timing of powering everything up must be done perfectly or else it is all for nothing. Unless I guide you through it I'll assume you did it wrong because at least 99% of people mess up in one step or another.

How accurate would you suggest the timing of powering on each item be?

 

[chrisms]

The timing is the only thing that doesn't matter as much.. 30 seconds is actually overdoing it but its better to wait a few seconds than it is to do it all over again.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: child of wonder
However, I agree. Downloading TV shows should NOT be illegal.

Erm, say whaaat?! You think it's ok to circumvent copyright and steal someone's precious work? I hope like hell that one day you invest thousands of hours and tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars into something and get nothing out of it because snotty-nosed forum-goers think it's ok to steal your work.

And before anyone says anything, yes, I download TV shows. I download them because they air earlier in USA than in NZ and a handful of my favourite shows are important enough for me to really want to see them. I also buy the DVDs for these shows immediately upon release, so I don't feel guilty about it.

If you know how television gets funded, then a few moments of thought will reveal why downloading television shows should be acceptable

1) Cable television fees. My internet is bundled with some sort of basic television package that can't be removed, so I'm already paying for these shows.
2) Commercials. Commercial income is determined by ratings, which I am in no way responsible for determining. You can probably find an encyclopedia article on exactly how this works.

You can make the argument for movies, so long as they haven't been broadcast on television, and you can make the argument for software, but television? Income from television is produced in a completely different way. Furthermore, by the time a movie reaches cable television, most of the income possible has already been made.

Downloading televisions shows to a computer with bittorrent is no more illegal than downloading television shows with a Tivo or a tuner card.

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: child of wonder
However, I agree. Downloading TV shows should NOT be illegal.

Erm, say whaaat?! You think it's ok to circumvent copyright and steal someone's precious work? I hope like hell that one day you invest thousands of hours and tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars into something and get nothing out of it because snotty-nosed forum-goers think it's ok to steal your work.

And before anyone says anything, yes, I download TV shows. I download them because they air earlier in USA than in NZ and a handful of my favourite shows are important enough for me to really want to see them. I also buy the DVDs for these shows immediately upon release, so I don't feel guilty about it.

Tell you what. Call up Paramount or Fox and ask them if it's OK for you to download those TV shows even though you later buy the DVDs.

If they say that's OK, then we'll talk further about this.

Until that happens, don't try to give yourself any delusions of moral superiority because I guarantee those TV producers will hang your ass out to dry the same as anyone else.

TV shows should not be illegal to download because I pay for them to pipe the shows to my house every day. If there was a fee per TV show acquire access to it, then one should not download them. But that's not the case.

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: Suture
It's easy, as the previous poster said, look into PARing. I use Newshosting.com, and have never had any issues with them for the few years I've used them. Service is fast, I hold stable at 2.3MB/sec.

I use the same, but how do you get that speed? I usually max out at 300k/s with cable.

 

[postmortemIA]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Dean

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Dean
Cox seems strict.

Did you leave BG to seed for a long time or something? I could see them getting flaky if a lot of upload bandwidth was being used. Other than that I could not see them caring unless a distributor sent them a letter, which in turn they should have passed along to you.

No, it was only 57% finished downloading. I wasn't particularly seeding.

WOW! Get another ISP stat!!

Unfortunately my apartment complex only has two options

Cox Cable, which is $49.99 per month for just the internet with 6Mbps. The service is not especially great, since there's a monthly outage. The original wall socket was done so poorly that a tech had to come out and completely replace it, which was nice of him to do without charging me.

Qwest DSL, which is $55 per month for the internet and one phone line. This connection is only 1.5 Mbps.

Qwest and Cox Cable have a monopoly in my city (Tucson, AZ). There are essentially no alternatives.

I tend not to download very much, I only recently downloaded the first three seasons of House MD. I might download at most 10 GB weekly.

You cna get Qwest DSL without buying the phone line. I have 1.5Mbps service for $32/mo.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: child of wonder
However, I agree. Downloading TV shows should NOT be illegal.

Erm, say whaaat?! You think it's ok to circumvent copyright and steal someone's precious work? I hope like hell that one day you invest thousands of hours and tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars into something and get nothing out of it because snotty-nosed forum-goers think it's ok to steal your work.

And before anyone says anything, yes, I download TV shows. I download them because they air earlier in USA than in NZ and a handful of my favourite shows are important enough for me to really want to see them. I also buy the DVDs for these shows immediately upon release, so I don't feel guilty about it.

Tell you what. Call up Paramount or Fox and ask them if it's OK for you to download those TV shows even though you later buy the DVDs.

If they say that's OK, then we'll talk further about this.

Until that happens, don't try to give yourself any delusions of moral superiority because I guarantee those TV producers will hang your ass out to dry the same as anyone else.

TV shows should not be illegal to download because I pay for them to pipe the shows to my house every day. If there was a fee per TV show acquire access to it, then one should not download them. But that's not the case.

They're right because they say they're right? Yes, that makes sense.

I pay for the same TV shows to be piped into my house every day. What's the difference if I choose to watch the show an hour later than the broadcast time?

 

[Eeezee]

Well, at least it works again. What should I do if this happens again?

 

[Horus]

God I love living in Canada where your stupid copyright laws do not apply.