UPDATE - An AT WoW Thread, oh yeah

[Malladine]

Ok, so i'll be starting an orc warrior with 4 others. They will be: Troll Rogue, Troll Priest, Tauren Hunter and Troll Shaman.

UPDATE:

Looks like the warrior plan has changed. I was always open to being whatever and now my wife thinks she wants to be the warrior so i'm considering a Druid or a Shaman now. My old main was a priest and we'll have a priest in our group so i don't care about speccing towards that. Whatever "stock" ability i have in healing will suffice. I mainly want to be secondary tank. Oh and don't worry, all my newfound warrior knowledge won't go to waste, she'll either change her mind again or will learn it all from me

Here's my Shaman build:
Enhancement Talents - 35 points

# Ancestral Knowledge - rank 5/5
# Shield Specialization - rank 5/5
# Thundering Strikes - rank 5/5
# Improved Ghost Wolf - rank 2/2
# Two-Handed Axes and Maces - rank 1/1
# Anticipation - rank 5/5
# Flurry - rank 5/5
# Parry - rank 1/1
# Toughness - rank 5/5
# Stormstrike - rank 1/1

Restoration Talents - 16 points

# Tidal Focus - rank 5/5
# Improved Reincarnation - rank 2/2
# Totemic Focus - rank 3/5
# Eventide - rank 5/5
# Combat Endurance - rank 1/1

and here's my druid build:
Balance Talents - 15 points

# Nature's Grasp - rank 1/1
# Improved Nature's Grasp - rank 4/4
# Natural Weapons - rank 5/5
# Natural Shapeshifter - rank 3/3
# Improved Thorns - rank 1/3
# Omen of Clarity - rank 1/1

Feral Combat Talents - 31 points

# Ferocity - rank 5/5
# Brutal Impact - rank 1/2
# Thick Hide - rank 5/5
# Feral Charge - rank 1/1
# Sharpened Claws - rank 3/3
# Predatory Strikes - rank 3/3
# Blood Frenzy - rank 2/2
# Primal Fury - rank 2/2
# Savage Fury - rank 2/2
# Faerie Fire (Feral) - rank 1/1
# Heart of the Wild - rank 5/5
# Leader of the Pack - rank 1/1

Restoration Talents - 5 points

# Furor - rank 5/5

 

[EvanB]

I wouldn't go protection. It doesnt really help your tanking ability til you get very far in the game. Plus when you want to solo you'll have lame dps. I would do 31 arms/20 fury or 31 arms/5 fury/ 15 prot.

 

[Malladine]

Really?

I won't be doing any soloing, ever. Does that change things? I want to be the toughest nut to crack to be able to keep the squishy and the others alive as much as possible. Would me doing more damage and having less shield spec stuff help our posse more?

 

[spartan]

What EvanB said is right. Until you get to 60, there's no point being so heavily protection specced. You'll take longer to kill stuff when you're soloing.

The 31/20/0 build is great for levelling up.

 

[Malladine]

I ain't soloing, in fact i'll be with the other 4 people 90% of the time. Does that change things?

 

[ubercaffeinated]

go fury to level up and then at 60 go 31/20 cookie cutter. look up gimbooze on blackrock

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Malladine
I ain't soloing, in fact i'll be with the other 4 people 90% of the time. Does that change things?

Yes, if you are certain that you will be with your group 90% of the time, then spec protection. It isn't need, but it will definitely help. Also, pay no attention to people telling you that Prot warrior cannot solo, because they can. Nice thing is this, if your friends leave you, you can respect to MS and Fury... But I recomend MS spec.

What server?

Edit ** If you start on Suramar, I can give you guys some $$$ to get started.

 

[Noema]

If you are never going to be soloing, I see no reason not to spec protection from the get go. It'll make you nigh-unkillable and mobs will stick to you like nails to a magnet, so you'll probably make everyone elses life easier and the rogue and hunter will be able to wail on everything while the shaman heals and adds to the damage and the priest keeps everyone alive.

That is a very balanced group, by the way. The rogue and the hunter will be able to deal a lot of damage, plus you have some decent crowd control with Sap, the hunter's ice traps and the pet off tanking. Pets are awesome now in 1.7 and a non-cat pet (cat pets suck for PvE, but shine in PvP) can tank pretty much everything. We did a 5 man run of LBRS the other day and we had a pet tank the whole thing with great success. The Shaman will offer some backup healing, some damage, wipe protection and can even off tank something for a bit if the squishies are getting hit.

Just don't even think of PvPing with that specc. Yes, it'll take forever to kill you (with melee) but you'll be very gimped in terms of burst damage, which is essential in PvP.

 

[Modeps]

Did you get the plague?

 

[banksh0t]

don't really need to go prot spec, just load up on +stm items so you have a ton of hp. right now i have a lvl 60 warrior who is 31/5/15 and i really don't have any problems tanking major instances but i haven't been to MC/Ony/BWL but if you read the wow forums people there will tell you that you don't even need prot spec to tank in there.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: banksh0t
don't really need to go prot spec, just load up on +stm items so you have a ton of hp. right now i have a lvl 60 warrior who is 31/5/15 and i really don't have any problems tanking major instances but i haven't been to MC/Ony/BWL but if you read the wow forums people there will tell you that you don't even need prot spec to tank in there.

Warriors will tell you that, just like Priests will tell you speccing shadow doesn't make them inferior. There are quite a few double standards in WoW. For instance, people hate shadow priests across the board because they cannot heal as well. Well the truth is, they can heal nearly as well, but yeah, they are about 85% of a Disc/HolyPriest. Same goes for warrior, except the warrior class does no get ragged on so much for it. The truth is that is a Prot warrior is the best spec for instances. It is also true that MS + Fury can be the MT in instances as well. But the fact is that Shadow Priests and MS/Fury warriors are not the best when it comes to instances. They are fine, but not the greatest.

Again, the only difference is that MS warrior does not get sh!t on while the Shadow Priest does (I have both MS Spec and Shadow Priest Preist, L60 and L55 respectively).

 

[Velk]

Originally posted by: Malladine
Ok, so i'll be starting an orc warrior with 4 others. They will be: Troll Rogue, Troll Priest, Tauren Hunter and Troll Shaman.

I figure none of them can tank much, certainly nothing Elite, and damage is pretty much covered with the Rogue, Hunter and to a lesser extent the Shaman so I drew up a Protection oriented path as follows:

Arms - 7 pts
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Deflection - 5/5
Improved Charge - 2/2

Fury - 5 pts
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Cruelty - 5/5

Protection - 39 pts
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Anticipation - 5/5
Imp. Bloodrage - 2/2
Toughness - 5/5
Iron Will - 5/5
Last Stand - 1/1
Imp. Revenge - 3/3
Defiance - 5/5
Imp. Taunt - 2/2
Imp. Shield Wall - 2/2
Imp. Shield Bash - 2/2
Concussion Blow - 1/1
One-Hand. Spec - 5/5
Shield Slam - 1/1

Improved shield wall is rubbish, iron will is situationally useful, but I would leave it pretty far down the track. Lacking tactical mastery, you will find that you do not get a lot of mileage out of improved charge either I suspect.

If it was me, I'd lose charge and shield wall for improved demo shout, but your mileage may vary.

With both a shaman and a priest, going for arms spec is certainly a viable alternative btw, the mana the priest saves on healing you as prot is not going to produce anywhere near as much damage as you would by going 2H. On the other hand prot raises the bar on the maximum difficulty of something you can kill.

I wouldn't worry too much about pvp either way, while it's true you have far more chance of killing someone by yourself as an arms or fury warrior, soloing in pvp is not what it is about. The second highest pvp rank in our guild is a prot warrior, the highest being a druid who has even less dps. PVP is more about skill and organisation than the 'perfect build'.

 

[Xycl0ne]

Quit... while.... you........ still............ can!!!

 

[NiKeFiDO]

yea seriously, dont do prot until your over lvl 50

 

[EQTitan]

Gnome Rogues FTW....

 

[40Hands]

With my warrior (before I quit) at lvl 38, I went almost full Arms. Gota love imp overpower for kicking rogues asses.

 

[NiKeFiDO]

i almost quit at 40 - im 44warrior now, but i really only play like a few hours per week (rather than during the summer where i worked full time, then came home and WoWed full time)

 

[EQTitan]

Should never stopped, then you could have played a skilled rogue. Imp == weak

 

[Malladine]

Thanks for the responses

I might drop some prot pts to gain some more damage and rage generation (thanks esp. Velk).

Yeah, i'm psyched about this group, should work out really well!

Arch: we haven't settled on a server yet, won't be decided until next Friday. Suramar huh? Medium/low pop pvp?

 

[Mavrick007]

I have got to get back into the game before all my crap is deleted in my mail hehe.
It's hard when I'm trying to get into BF2 and some other games that I've been neglecting.

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: Modeps
Did you get the plague?

LOL!

 

[torpid]

Don't forget that a good warrior needs to keep the attention of the enemy. If you focus totally on absorbing damage and not enough on dealing out damage, you will cause almost as much trouble as if you totally focus on damage and not enough on protection. You have two classes that can function as primary healer in a 4 man group for a large portion of your levelling up. You might consider a more balanced talent tree until the curve makes protection necessary.

If you are familiar with hunters, it's the same reason that suepr high armor, low dps pets aren't always the best tanking pets.

 

[Malladine]

How would this build work out, do you think:

Fury Talents - 31 points

# Booming Voice - rank 5/5
# Cruelty - rank 5/5
# Unbridled Wrath - rank 5/5
# Improved Cleave - rank 3/3
# Piercing Howl - rank 1/1
# Dual Wield Specialization - rank 5/5
# Enrage - rank 5/5
# Death Wish - rank 1/1
# Bloodthirst - rank 1/1

Protection Talents - 20 points

# Anticipation - rank 5/5
# Improved Bloodrage - rank 2/2
# Toughness - rank 5/5
# Last Stand - rank 1/1
# Defiance - rank 5/5
# Improved Taunt - rank 2/2

Torpid: that's why I tried to add things like Defiance and Imp. Taunt

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Malladine
Thanks for the responses

I might drop some prot pts to gain some more damage and rage generation (thanks esp. Velk).

Yeah, i'm psyched about this group, should work out really well!

Arch: we haven't settled on a server yet, won't be decided until next Friday. Suramar huh? Medium/low pop pvp?

Low populatioon to medium sometimes. It makes for a great server IMO. I have also played on Elune, but I really prefer Suramar by far. Plus, I think it would be cool to interact with some ATer's and so on. Money is a problem when you first start and I would have no problem give away a few G to each of you so you can get started.

Anyway, whatever server you choose, GL!

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: torpid
Don't forget that a good warrior needs to keep the attention of the enemy. If you focus totally on absorbing damage and not enough on dealing out damage, you will cause almost as much trouble as if you totally focus on damage and not enough on protection. You have two classes that can function as primary healer in a 4 man group for a large portion of your levelling up. You might consider a more balanced talent tree until the curve makes protection necessary.

If you are familiar with hunters, it's the same reason that suepr high armor, low dps pets aren't always the best tanking pets.

True, to a certain extent. But being in defensive stance, with threat increase in the prot and imp sunder... Well, you can keep agro no problem. Sunder is the best means along with the occasionaly taunt if they run to keep agro on you. Also, do not forget about imp revenge, only 5 rage costs and has a chance to stun for 3sec 40% of the time.... Prot warriors are really good at tanks.