UPDATE: Anyone work a fully remote job?

purbeast0

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Just curious for those of you who work a fully 100% remote job, how did you go about finding it? What field are you in? Did you specifically target a remote job or did you work somewhere and it eventually turned into that? Or are you just a freelancer? Do you have to meet up with the heardquarters and if so how often? Do you like it?

Up until recently I had no clue there were websites that aggregated remote jobs, so I've been somewhat browsing them. I'm very happy at my current position and make great money and the company is great, however the work has started to get a tad stale and that is what even got me looking. But just for the hell of it right now I'm targeting these remote only jobs. I'm targeting senior software engineer/achitect/lead jobs.

If I landed one and it meant I could basically live wherever I wanted to, that would be pretty sweet. I do think it would be kind of weird though not having to go into an office and interact with people, and I do think that has a lot of benefits, but I've also worked as a co-founder the past year in my spare time remotely with a few other developers so I'm also familiar with it, and am comfortable using some of the tools to communicate.

So just curious about those of you who do have a job like this if you could let me know how it's working out.

UPDATE is my reply on 3/16 - it's also a question so I didn't just put it in the OP as well.
 
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iroast

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You'll probably have to fly in at least once a year. Other than that, it's nice to work from home because of the amenities. For example, I have a prosumer espresso machine that I fire up whenever I need to get caffeinated. Cooking/warming up breakfast/lunch on a stovetop is nice; beats using the microwave. I can also blast music that I'm sure would give others headaches. However, the one thing you'll miss is interacting with colleagues face to face. You can talk with them via teleconferencing/video conferencing, but it's not the same.
 

ViviTheMage

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Yeah, I tried the remote only thing for a few months, didn't really like it. I like talking to people and getting up in their shit when they don't do something right, haha.
 
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I wish more jobs were like that. Definitely a cool gig to get into if you find something that pays half decent. I have found sites that seem to offer such jobs but not sure how legit they were. They were tech support related so not that much pay but if I recall you could put in pretty much as many hours as you want. You had a voip soft phone and you just sign in whenever. I think it paid per call or something.

I just made a realization the other day that I might actually be in trouble at work, I used to be 2nd last on the totem pole but since the guy on the bottom quit I'm now last. When they decide to shut down the CDMA network I might possibly be bumped by the guy who is prime on that. So I need to start looking at jobs again just to get an idea of what there is here, which is not much. I hate how all the good jobs seem to always be in the south. Screw having to live in Toronto or other busy city.

Only thing with a remote job I would start to feel antisocial after a while lol.
 

Carson Dyle

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Gets old, fast. It depends mostly on how much you enjoy interacting with people. The benefits can outweigh the downside, though. If you're eliminating a long commute, that might be two hours or more a day added to your life. And it can be great if you have a family and kids. You can drive them to and from school, pick up the wife's dry cleaning, do all the family's grocery shopping. It's the ultimate in flex time. But there are other downsides beside being a hermit. When you work at home you're always at work, and that can be a huge drag by itself.
 
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Red Squirrel

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Yeah would almost need to setup a separate office and separate phone, so that when you are off the clock, you're off the clock. You close the door, and don't answer that phone. Also when you are in that office it would put you in the work mind set. I imagine most of these jobs give you some kind of network box to connect a computer and IP phone to? Or do they expect you to just use your own network/stuff? Would not want to have to use my personal cell number for work, for example.
 

gorcorps

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How the fuck are employers supposed to keep people around when even their happy and well paid employees are still a flight risk as soon as something gets a "tad stale"?

I hope you're downplaying things op, because the idea of somebody being happy and well paid but still looking to job hop just infuriates me. You must not be that happy.
 

purbeast0

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How the fuck are employers supposed to keep people around when even their happy and well paid employees are still a flight risk as soon as something gets a "tad stale"?

I hope you're downplaying things op, because the idea of somebody being happy and well paid but still looking to job hop just infuriates me. You must not be that happy.
It's nice to be good at what you do and have options. I am of the mindset that I am doing companies favors by working for them, not the other way around.

Not sure why it would infuriate you because someone wants to keep on bettering themselves.
 

Insomniator

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My company has a few 'virtual workforce' people that are full time from home. I am four days a week from home (go in Mondays so I luck out with lots of Monday holidays). I guess its not remote still as there are still mandatory in house meetings a few times a year even for the virtual people.

Anyway... it just happened. I started as a consultant there and they started letting full time people have 2 days from home, then 3, then 4. My boss feeling bad for the consultants started to give us 3 days from home (off policy) and then when I got full time its now 4 days.

Its amazing. **** commuting and **** getting 'ready' to interact with people for no reason. I get more work done from home not thinking about lame being in the office is or spending 80 miles commuting. GO GET A REMOTE JOB.

I'm in IT btw.
 

Zeze

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Like most of you forum dwellers, I'm far more introverted than extrovert.

My current work allows me to WFH 1-2x a week. When it's 2x, I just get all dirty and lazy. I don't know how I'd feel about a 100% remote job.

I get a major cabin fever and feel like the ceiling above me need to be blown away. I think it's good for emotional health to go out and commute as well as interact with folks in person.
 

ImpulsE69

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I work a 100% remote job in IT. I got into it as a consultant for them for a big project for 3 years where I went in every day. When the project ended, and my job consisted of traveling all over the states for months at a time, I took it. I wasn't exactly happy at the time to do that simply because I didn't really want to work there, but figured not traveling all the time was worth it. I started out going into an office for a about a year, and working from home on Fridays. Eventually I was working from home more than I was in the office, until I just stopped coming in. I started just staying home and only going in for certain meetings and such. Since then they've given my desk away. My boss is really cool and doesn't hassle as long as you are getting the work expected of you done in a timely fashion. My whole team except for 1 person works from home.

It's got it's pros and cons. Most of the good points I think are already covered. The cons though, I can go a week or so w/o actually having any actual human interactions with anyone other than my wife. I tend to get a bit listless because I rarely leave the house except to run errands. On top of that because of the type of job AND working from home, there tends to be a big blur between working and not working to a point sometimes it feels like I never stop working.

At least now when I travel for work I actually look forward to it as a change

That being said..being able to sleep in a bit, not deal with traffic, pay for gas, not have to deal with traffic after work..etc...makes up for it. I'm not all that social to begin with.

I also do not see ANY issue with looking at your options, even if you are happy.
 

Zeze

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The cons though, I can go a week or so w/o actually having any actual human interactions with anyone other than my wife. I tend to get a bit listless because I rarely leave the house except to run errands. On top of that because of the type of job AND working from home, there tends to be a big blur between working and not working to a point sometimes it feels like I never stop working.

You nailed it.
 

Red Squirrel

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Even with my current job because of shift work I sometimes go a week or more without any human interaction at all as I sometimes get stretches of a week or more that are off. The part that's bad about it is that it does not actually bother me, but I imagine it's probably not good for me. I try to force myself to go out but I only have like 1 friend in town. Most of my friends from like high school and such are married and have their own families now.

I guess as long as I'm happy is all that counts. If I actually worked from home then I'd just have to make a case to go out even more often to make up for it so I don't become an antisocial hermit lol. I still visit my parents and sister a lot and stuff too so there's that.
 

ImpulsE69

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What's funny is I can work from wherever I want, so I suggested the wife quit her job, we get an RV and travel the states...but she wasn't interested. Damn women.

I did forget to mention that it is nice that I can basically work anywhere there's internet or phone service. 4G is awesome for such things.
 

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I don't work remotely 100% of the time, but that is by choice and not because I cannot do so. I practice patent law, which means that all I really need to do my job is a PC, an internet connection, and a decent paralegal. That said, the most I can stomach working from home is about 50% of the time. Any more than that and I really start to feel detached from my coworkers. Not to mention it can get really lonely. It has gotten to the point where I have a work from home "routine" where I force myself to go outside and talk to people, even if its only the staff at the coffee shop, the various places I hit for lunch, etc. That said, I do like working from home a lot as it gives me more time to do my job, lets me spend more time with my family, etc.

As far whether its "working out" for me, the answer is unquestionably yes. I've been with my firm for 6 years now (5 of which I have been working from home 50+% of the time), and about two months ago I was promoted to the partnership of the firm.

Honestly I would prefer to work in my office more, but working from home provides so many benefits that are hard to leave, especially as my commute is quite long (50 minutes door to door).
 

brianmanahan

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How the fuck are employers supposed to keep people around when even their happy and well paid employees are still a flight risk as soon as something gets a "tad stale"?

they'll have to be willing to pay handsomely for it. otherwise people in an employees market can leave for new and better opportunities for more pay.

i got a good raise the last couple of years but am sick of the same old work and headaches, so i might skip out in a year after i get fully vested.
 

Insomniator

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How the fuck are employers supposed to keep people around when even their happy and well paid employees are still a flight risk as soon as something gets a "tad stale"?

I hope you're downplaying things op, because the idea of somebody being happy and well paid but still looking to job hop just infuriates me. You must not be that happy.


By paying them even better or making them more happy? Its all competition. Employers will drop you in an instant if needed and have 1000 other people lining up for the jobs.

I'm paid well and happy now too, but if something came along... bye bye.
 

purbeast0

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What's funny is I can work from wherever I want, so I suggested the wife quit her job, we get an RV and travel the states...but she wasn't interested. Damn women.

I did forget to mention that it is nice that I can basically work anywhere there's internet or phone service. 4G is awesome for such things.
Well that is one big reason I am looking into it. If I get one, and the company is cool with it, I have some plans on moving to some place tropical for a bit. I plan on keeping my house and renting a place. Even if it's for like 4 months or so, just to try it out.

And I have wanted to move west to San Diego for a bit now, and this would give me more flexibility in doing so after that.
 

purbeast0

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One thing too as far as "being a hermit" if I were to land one of these positions, I'd still be going to the gym 4x a week so I would be leaving the house most days. I do worry though about the "always being at work" bit of it, in the fact that you can actually always have the ability to work. With my current position that simply isn't the case. I can't work if I'm not on site. And if I was ever told I had to be "on call" or anything like that, I'd be gone.
 

Kaido

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I did full-time telecommuting for 1.5 years. I have mixed feelings on it.

For starters, I like the idea of working remotely. I don't like actually doing it. I am not a self-motivated person & do not have a lot of self-discipline; I need the pressure of working around people & having deadlines in order to get stuff done. I also need the routine of actually getting up & going to work. I wish it was different, but that's just how I'm wired. I can just as easily sleep in til noon on Saturday, not shower, and go nowhere as I can go to a work site & have to have a more structured routine.

The biggest thing I learned from it was exactly that: I am a person who requires structure in order to be functional & to be useful to society. I don't think I can ever retire because I will probably die, haha. I am a total loaf without structure. With structure, I am great. I can build my routine around structure...I'll exercise in the morning, I'll cook & eat well, I'll shower & get ready for the day, I'll keep things clean. Without that pressure, I don't do well. I thought it would be a cakewalk, but for me, it wasn't.

There are people who do well with it, and there are also jobs that make it work. My cousin telecommutes for a major airline & handles reservations over the phone & computer. Hours are flexible & iirc the pay is decent for not being a super skilled job, like $12 or $14 an hour, which doesn't sound that high, but when you're not driving your car, sitting in traffic, buying fast food because you can cook at home, spending money on a work-accessible wardrobe, it's not that bad.

I have a buddy who does remote support & programming for a specialized software product. He is a very self-structured person. He lives by his routine & can make it work because he is able to live by the structure he chooses for his day. imo that's a rare talent. Not many people can provide consistent, constant structure for themselves. It's a great dream, in theory, but in practice, nearly everyone I know has found out that they don't do well with it. Most human beings do their best work around other human beings...for the pressure, for the social aspect, for helping people, for bouncing ideas off other people, etc. There's an old saying that goes "one person can do one thing, a team can do anything"...there's an awful lot of magic to working in collaboration with other people in meatspace.

Two things to think about are family & distractions. It's very difficult to work remotely if you have a family because hey, you're home! You're not "really" working, right? And like Carson said, you can never really escape...work IS home. Distractions are also a big problem. I have ADHD. If I have a work computer in front of me & a video game system next to me, it's awfully tempting to just put in 20 minutes of gaming time, which turns into 14 hours of gaming time. Sounds ridiculous, but if you weren't a super organized student growing up, remember back to the weekends of your youth & how much homework you really got done during them.

I've bounced between telecommuting, working a steady job full-time, and being a freelance contractor. Right now I'm back to being a freelance contractor. I get a little more flexibility in my day, but I also am required to actually show up to places to install stuff, make deliveries, troubleshooting, and so on. Keeps me more involved in my work since I'm doing the planning for the day, but also doing the work for the day, and I'm also seeing people on a daily basis.

The lure of telecommuting is strong because hey, who wouldn't want to work at home in their pajamas? The reality is a lot different, at least for most people. I thought I hated working with people until I started working from home, then I realized I hated working at crappy jobs, for crappy bosses, and having to deal with the public. Working at cool jobs with great bosses & colleagues & not having to deal with the public is an entirely different animal.

Best advice I can give you is to think long & hard about how you really behave under work-at-home circumstances & to honestly examine your track record of getting stuff done at home. And if you really want to do it, then definitely give it a shot, at least to get it out of your system. I telecommuted for work & also did a few semesters of college remotely & ended up hating both. I hated doing school remotely partly because I need those in-person deadlines and partly because a lot of school topics are better explained by a human being than a book. For example, math made no sense to me when I was reading from a textbook; I NEEDED a professor to explain the concepts.

If you do end up getting a job where you can work remotely, my suggestions are:

1. As soon as you wake up, shower, get dressed, and get your shoes on. I'm not kidding. Actually put your shoes on. Getting yourself ready for the day & ready for anything puts you in a way more productive mood. Again, there are some people who can sit around in their pajamas all day & still be productive, but I am not one of them & most people I know who telecommute do this because then if they do need to run some errands or whatever, they are ready to go. It's basically the same idea as putting on a uniform, whether it's a suit for work or workout clothes for the gym or whatever.

2. Have a dedicated workspace, and preferably, a dedicated room to work in. Have all of your tools setup: printer, office supplies, computer with UPS (or laptop), and so on. Have spare ink & whatever else you need so you're not running out to get supplies all the time.

3. Create a power routine. Same idea as a regular routine, but amped up a bit to the point where you clearly define what time you're going to work, what time you'll take breaks & lunch, and so on. People who are disciplined will get their work done regardless & can play for half the day & still do their work by the end of the day, so it depends on how you roll. For me, the more structure the better. It's easy to take two-hour lunches & not really get stuff done, haha.

4. Get your family onboard, if you have anyone at home during the day, so they don't bug you during your defined working hours. I know some guys who simply cannot work at home because they get the kids shoveled on them while the wife takes a break, which isn't a good environment to let you get your work done.

5. If you really need the extra help, create a timesheet broken down into 15-minute intervals. Keep track of what you do. It will let you see where you are actually spending your time all day. Again, very easy to get distracted at home.

TL;DR: Worked from home for a year & a half. Glad I did it for the experience & to get it out of my system, but would never do it again. A minority of people who have excellent self-discipline can be successful at it. If you're going to try it, set some ground rules like a defined workspace, a routine, etc.
 
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Kaido

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Well that is one big reason I am looking into it. If I get one, and the company is cool with it, I have some plans on moving to some place tropical for a bit. I plan on keeping my house and renting a place. Even if it's for like 4 months or so, just to try it out.

And I have wanted to move west to San Diego for a bit now, and this would give me more flexibility in doing so after that.

Might want to read up on Tim Ferris' 4-hour workweek book & blog, as well as FI/ER on Reddit to see how people actually make more free time happen. It's not impossible, if you play your cards right, it's just that most people are big believers in the 9 to 5 thing when there's no law or requirement making that a reality for people.
 

Insomniator

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One thing too as far as "being a hermit" if I were to land one of these positions, I'd still be going to the gym 4x a week so I would be leaving the house most days. I do worry though about the "always being at work" bit of it, in the fact that you can actually always have the ability to work. With my current position that simply isn't the case. I can't work if I'm not on site. And if I was ever told I had to be "on call" or anything like that, I'd be gone.

I go to the gym 4x a week to get outside too -- I walk there actually (few blocks away). That's about all the outside time you need during the week. Have weekends and nights to hangout with wife, friends, errands etc. Seriously, going to the office is like stepping into the stone age now. There is no reason to risk your life on the road commuting every day and then make small talk with idiots around the office. You save money, time, stress... I guess if you can't work while at home its no good, but I know what work I have to do and get it done. If I sat around watching TV instead of working I'd be fired in about... 2 days.
 

Kaido

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One thing too as far as "being a hermit" if I were to land one of these positions, I'd still be going to the gym 4x a week so I would be leaving the house most days. I do worry though about the "always being at work" bit of it, in the fact that you can actually always have the ability to work. With my current position that simply isn't the case. I can't work if I'm not on site. And if I was ever told I had to be "on call" or anything like that, I'd be gone.

That was part of my problem. I workout solo (cardio & calisthenics, at home), cook a lot at home, have a great home theater so I don't go to the movies often, etc. Not that my home is a palace or anything, but it's quite comfortable to never, ever have to leave other than running errands & stuff, haha.

IRL interactions are good, so make sure you're getting them if you do end up working from home. Or if you have a family at home, you're all set because you're probably doing stuff with your SO and/or kids.
 

Kaido

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I go to the gym 4x a week to get outside too -- I walk there actually (few blocks away). That's about all the outside time you need during the week. Have weekends and nights to hangout with wife, friends, errands etc. Seriously, going to the office is like stepping into the stone age now. There is no reason to risk your life on the road commuting every day and then make small talk with idiots around the office. You save money, time, stress... I guess if you can't work while at home its no good, but I know what work I have to do and get it done. If I sat around watching TV instead of working I'd be fired in about... 2 days.

That's the biggest complaint I have of having a steady job & also of doing freelance contracting. I drive soooooo much. My average daily commute is 1.5 hours round trip right now because I'm centrally-located & service the whole state area. Those self-driving Tesla cars sound awfully nice...
 

Carson Dyle

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I go to the gym 4x a week to get outside too -- I walk there actually (few blocks away). That's about all the outside time you need during the week.

Different strokes, I guess. If that was all the time I could spend "outside" I'd put a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger.
 
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