UPDATE: Anyone work a fully remote job?

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Malogeek

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I work 100% from home but there's no way they would let me use my own equipment. Strictly company equipment only and on VPN to head office. Thankfully they really like me so I got to decide what equipment I wanted rather than barebones enterprise crap.
 

rh71

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Late to the party in here, but I've been remote (web app dev) so long I can't remember the year it started - was before 2005 I think. It was a regular office job then they decided not to renew the lease on the building. We're global and at the time they were making a push for telecommuting in the US to save on costs anyway. It wasn't so common back then and so many people were ecstatic. I was young and among them. I haven't met my last 4 or so managers in person ever - they're at home in their PJs somewhere in the US too. In hindsight, it wasn't great for climbing the ladder in the sense that there's a decline in drive - it's more like just making sure you meet deadlines, and so in a way I've been "stuck" being comfortable here, with little salary jump throughout the years. Undoubtedly, the freedom was priceless when we had the twins and I got to see them grow up and be home to watch them before and after school instead of needing a nanny past toddler age (still needed one early on).

As for living wherever you want, it's true - with the only consideration being time zone of your peers - one of our teammates has to work at 5am from the west coast but he gets off at 2pm. I wouldn't want that or the reverse, work till 8pm ET. We are staying though because I grew up here, and my wife works in Manhattan and it keeps us financially comfortable. Also other close family are nearby - wouldn't want to move with so many ties to the area. Admittedly, I have had many dreams about living in Maui but no work there for the wife.

Interaction - I have diminished social skills now. I wouldn't say I miss it at this point. Would rather take the freedom. Worst thing about having to go to work is getting ready in the morning, with thinking about work for the next day on a Sunday night a close 2nd - don't have these problems.

Just last week another remote opportunity came about and the first thought that came to mind was the salary would have to be considerably higher to leave this one. You just never know if a new one is just as stable. I also posed the question in the 100k salary thread about taking 20k+ more but possibly not liking the day-to-day work - you guys overwhelmingly agreed liking the work is more important. Anyway, in your shoes, if the salary is good enough, jump on it.

Just curious for those of you who work a fully 100% remote job, how did you go about finding it? What field are you in? Did you specifically target a remote job or did you work somewhere and it eventually turned into that? Or are you just a freelancer? Do you have to meet up with the heardquarters and if so how often? Do you like it?

Up until recently I had no clue there were websites that aggregated remote jobs, so I've been somewhat browsing them. I'm very happy at my current position and make great money and the company is great, however the work has started to get a tad stale and that is what even got me looking. But just for the hell of it right now I'm targeting these remote only jobs. I'm targeting senior software engineer/achitect/lead jobs.

If I landed one and it meant I could basically live wherever I wanted to, that would be pretty sweet. I do think it would be kind of weird though not having to go into an office and interact with people, and I do think that has a lot of benefits, but I've also worked as a co-founder the past year in my spare time remotely with a few other developers so I'm also familiar with it, and am comfortable using some of the tools to communicate.

So just curious about those of you who do have a job like this if you could let me know how it's working out.

UPDATE is my reply on 3/16 - it's also a question so I didn't just put it in the OP as well.
 
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purbeast0

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LOL so yesterday a recruiter hit me up and it was for a position with a company that is a competitor of the company that offered me $25k more than I already make. I just had an interview with the company at lunch and they also made me an offer on the spot that is basically what the other company made me salary wise. Their benefits aren't as good though and the work doesn't seem as interesting, so I don't think I'll take it.

Crazy how I'm not even looking for another job in the same industry I'm in and I have 2 offers on the table making $25k than I already do. They are just getting thrown at me!
 

MetalMat

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From 2011-2016 I worked from home as an outside sales rep. It took a while to get used to because it is sooo easy to get distracted but eventually I got in the groove, you obviously need to be very proactive to be successful in most outside sales jobs. I now have a regional office I go to but am still out on the road more often than not. Frankly I prefer doing my inside work in an office environment because it can get lonely working from home all the time but I don't think I would ever like having a classic 8-5 job 5 days a week, I've never had one of those and it seems like it would get boring quick.

My advice to anyone wanting to work from home is to stay focused and adhere to a strict schedule. It is very easy to get distracted, 5 minutes of catching up on ESPN on TV turns into 15, then 30, then before you know it an hour has passed and you are catching up. I also found that dressing in business casual versus sitting around in my gym shorts and a t-shirt helped me stay focused.
 

rh71

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Smart, good workers are always in demand. Especially true for good developers.

No offense meant to the OP, but is it really all about "good developers"? Or are these companies just finding a lot of underqualified or incompetent workers? I wonder what the % break-down would be.
 

purbeast0

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No offense meant to the OP, but is it really all about "good developers"? Or are these companies just finding a lot of underqualified or incompetent workers? I wonder what the % break-down would be.
I'm not sure what field you are in, but in software development, the cliche "you get what you pay for" couldn't be more true.

I'm also not really sure what you mean by your comment lol.
 

rh71

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^ what I mean is if they're getting a lot of underqualified candidates over the course of their hiring process (or even in recent past), they have to work harder at finding good developers, offering higher salaries / packages to entice them. I'm curious what the % of finding deadbeats vs. good performers during the interview process are. I bet it's worse than 10:1.

I'm a web app dev'er. We tend to stay in our positions a long time if we're comfortable. Less talent constantly available.

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JM Aggie08

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I unofficially worked from home for around a year...and it drove me absolutely mad. I had a very difficult time separating 'work' from 'home,' and began resenting being at my house.

I think I thrive on hum interaction as well, which may have played a part.
 

purbeast0

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^ what I mean is if they're getting a lot of underqualified candidates over the course of their hiring process (or even in recent past), they have to work harder at finding good developers, offering higher salaries / packages to entice them. I'm curious what the % of finding deadbeats vs. good performers during the interview process are. I bet it's worse than 10:1.

I'm a web app dev'er. We tend to stay in our positions a long time if we're comfortable. Less talent constantly available.
Oh gotcha. I do web-app dev too. I think in general software devs stay in their positions long if they are comfortable, because most people are scared of change, and most software devs are introverts and don't want to deal with new people and change.

I think a lot of it is that it's just hard to know if a developer is good or bad from an interview. Sometimes it takes like 3-6 months to know if a hire was a good one or not. In the industry I'm in the people I interview at these other companies with actually know the things I've worked on too and can go check out the software I've developed, so they can at least see the finished product and stuff.

That's also a good thing about having apps on the app store is that I can just tell people to go download the app and check out my work. Only 1 of my apps out there is really involved but it has a ton of stuff going on in the background with backend servers and 3rd party libraries, so it's a good way to show what I'm capable of in that aspect.
 

purbeast0

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Heard back from the remote job last week and they said after a really long and hard deliberation between myself and the other guy, they went with the other guy for the sole reason of him being local to San Diego.

Oh well, I'm still looking at remote positions and actually signed a contingent offer that fell into my lap, making $25k more than I do now, and it's just down the street. I'd take less pay than they are offering me if I could find a fully remote position still.

And I also had a good conversation with a startup in San Diego yesterday and am going onto part 2 of the interview process with them. They told me that they need me in office and can't do fully remote, but for a transition period if I could travel to SD once or twice a month for a few months they could handle that, and they would help with relocation fees.

All this and I'm still pretty happy at my current position lol. But damn, when the weather is how it is now (70's no humidity) that is when I think about how I'd like that 365 days a year in San Diego. And my damn allergies are killing me now, and I wouldn't have to worry about that over there either.
 

purbeast0

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Am talking to another remote company and had a really great technical interview yesterday. Well it was more of a coding test than a interview. It was a very interesting coding exercise, where I did a screen share with the guy while I solved a problem. I was a bit intimidated/nervous at first just because I've never really had anyone watch me work, especially write an actual application like this while interviewing, but it didn't really bother me once I got going.

I had 90 minutes to basically make minesweeper in javascript. I didn't have to do any of the actual game logic, as they had 2 endpoints that built the board for me on a server, with me passing it the number of bombs, height, and width, and then I'd hit another endpoint based on where I clicked, and the response would give me the results of the board and I'd have to update it. I basically finished it in about 40-45 minutes and he really liked my approach and how clean it went.

There are 2 more of these types of technical "interviews" left but he basically told me based on what he saw that he doesn't think I would have any problem with the next to. We discussed salary after the fact and it sounds like they can be pretty competitive with an offer I have on the table with another company now. So I'll see where this ends up going...
 

Zeze

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Am talking to another remote company and had a really great technical interview yesterday. Well it was more of a coding test than a interview. It was a very interesting coding exercise, where I did a screen share with the guy while I solved a problem. I was a bit intimidated/nervous at first just because I've never really had anyone watch me work, especially write an actual application like this while interviewing, but it didn't really bother me once I got going.

I had 90 minutes to basically make minesweeper in javascript. I didn't have to do any of the actual game logic, as they had 2 endpoints that built the board for me on a server, with me passing it the number of bombs, height, and width, and then I'd hit another endpoint based on where I clicked, and the response would give me the results of the board and I'd have to update it. I basically finished it in about 40-45 minutes and he really liked my approach and how clean it went.

There are 2 more of these types of technical "interviews" left but he basically told me based on what he saw that he doesn't think I would have any problem with the next to. We discussed salary after the fact and it sounds like they can be pretty competitive with an offer I have on the table with another company now. So I'll see where this ends up going...
Holy crap, that's one thorough interview.
 

purbeast0

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Holy crap, that's one thorough interview.
Yeah I have never seen one similar to this before. I kind of think it is a decent idea, although I also think giving a timed project to work on is just as good. In the real world I'm not coding with people looking over my shoulder so it's a bit intimidating and weird. But I also get that they want to see the thought process and stuff so I get it. He was flat out honest that some people simply are turned off by the process and don't want to do it, which I can also understand. But I also told him that is why I wanted to talk salary up front because I don't want to waste anyone's time on this, and neither do they.
 

nakedfrog

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I do like the sound of that interview process though, would definitely give you a decent feel for the applicant.
 

purbeast0

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I do like the sound of that interview process though, would definitely give you a decent feel for the applicant.
Yeah. I mean it really is hard to interview for developer positions in my opinion. Like to really gage a person. The worst types of interviews in my opinion though are the kinds that ask questions that you would see on a college exam. Like the types that purposefully try to trick you up. I've been asked questions about details of how the HTTP protocol works and just really technical shit that, as a developer, doesn't really matter. Then the thing I hate the MOST (which ties into the whole college exam type of question) is asking me the big-o notation of algorithms. I can't tell you that because I haven't used that notation since school, but I can sure as shit tell you which algorithm between 2 is more efficient and where things can be enhanced for better performance.

Hell the one offer I have that is in my same area where they offered me $25k more than I make right now, they didn't even ask me one technical question lol. They basically asked me what I've worked on and about stuff on my resume, and while we had a technical discussion in that sense, it never went into how I code or anything like that. They are familiar with the applications i've worked on before so maybe they realize if I'm on that team and with the current company, that I'm a good developer. I literally met with them for like an hour, and part of it was kind of shooting the shit since I fit in culturally with the guys, and I had an offer in my email like less than an hour later.
 

thestrangebrew1

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I would love to WFH a few days out of the week. Even if it's just 1 day. I could pretty much write my staff reports in a day working from home a few times a week. I wouldn't want to do it full time though. I need adult human interaction. I had a 2nd interview in my field on Tuesday and it was a weird one. Interviewed with department heads for about 50 minutes, then the staff that I would managing came in and they interviewed me again. Caught me off guard, but it's not a large department and I thought it was actually a good idea to have them give input on the hiring process.
 

purbeast0

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I would love to WFH a few days out of the week. Even if it's just 1 day. I could pretty much write my staff reports in a day working from home a few times a week. I wouldn't want to do it full time though. I need adult human interaction. I had a 2nd interview in my field on Tuesday and it was a weird one. Interviewed with department heads for about 50 minutes, then the staff that I would managing came in and they interviewed me again. Caught me off guard, but it's not a large department and I thought it was actually a good idea to have them give input on the hiring process.

To be honest I am not even 100% sure it is for me either. But there is only one way I can find out and it's something I've wondered about because my wife and I would like to be able to move to the west coast, San Diego specifically, at some point, and having a job like this makes that a lot easier to actually do. Or hell even moving to Hawaii for a few years. We're also talking already about if I got one, moving to the Caribbean for like a month, just rent an apartment or house and keep our house back here, and I could work from there and take a week off to also enjoy a full week straight. That kind of flexibility is worth it to me, to at least try it out. And the worst case scenario, if I don't like it, I go back to a normal job.

I will still have interactions though. I'm going to be going to the gym Monday through Thursday still so I'll get out of the house. I also plan on eating with friends like I do now. But it will be different than going into an office and seeing a bunch of people and talking to them in person every day. The remote position still has standups every day and they hang out in chats and communicate via video chat, but yeah it's definitely not the same as in person.

I'm going to have a decision to make though. The other position I have an offer with said it will be for a lead position of a small team (2-3 other people) and it will be building software from the ground up. That is a very good role to move up into but it won't give me that flexibility obviously.
 

Zeze

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To be honest I am not even 100% sure it is for me either. But there is only one way I can find out and it's something I've wondered about because my wife and I would like to be able to move to the west coast, San Diego specifically, at some point, and having a job like this makes that a lot easier to actually do. Or hell even moving to Hawaii for a few years. We're also talking already about if I got one, moving to the Caribbean for like a month, just rent an apartment or house and keep our house back here, and I could work from there and take a week off to also enjoy a full week straight. That kind of flexibility is worth it to me, to at least try it out. And the worst case scenario, if I don't like it, I go back to a normal job.

I will still have interactions though. I'm going to be going to the gym Monday through Thursday still so I'll get out of the house. I also plan on eating with friends like I do now. But it will be different than going into an office and seeing a bunch of people and talking to them in person every day. The remote position still has standups every day and they hang out in chats and communicate via video chat, but yeah it's definitely not the same as in person.

I'm going to have a decision to make though. The other position I have an offer with said it will be for a lead position of a small team (2-3 other people) and it will be building software from the ground up. That is a very good role to move up into but it won't give me that flexibility obviously.
How much is this position offering- just the range?

I'm incredible what devs go through to make pretty penny.
 

purbeast0

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How much is this position offering- just the range?

I'm incredible what devs go through to make pretty penny.
I won't get into specifics, but let's say it's closer to 200k than 100k. The remote one knows that offer and said they could get that high if there is someone they can't let go, but could definitely go $10k less than that company is offering. They said they have the actual ability to go higher but they would just have to work to get it. The remote company has pretty poor benefits compared to what I'd get at the other one, and they know. And by poor, I mean that they don't offer 100% company covered insurance and they don't match 401k, and they know that they would have to also overcompensate for that as well.
 
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Zeze

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I won't get into specifics, but let's say it's closer to 200k than 100k. The remote one knows that offer and said they could get that high if there is someone they can't let go, but could definitely go $10k less than that company is offering. They said they have the actual ability to go higher but they would just have to work to get it. The remote company has pretty poor benefits compared to what I'd get at the other one, and they know. And by poor, I mean that they don't offer 100% company covered insurance and they don't match 401k, and they know that they would have to also overcompensate for that as well.

Good stuff. I'm closer to 100k than 200k as a PM. I always admire capable dev folks. My job comes with its challenges and tons of headaches, but it's amazing how I can make similar to you while possessing none of the hard skills.

I'm definitely underplaying all the crap I have to do. I just admire coders who don't just do batch or UI components, but build an entire product from ground-up.
 

purbeast0

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Good stuff. I'm closer to 100k than 200k as a PM. I always admire capable dev folks. My job comes with its challenges and tons of headaches, but it's amazing how I can make similar to you while possessing none of the hard skills.
Maybe I'm already closer to 200k than 100k too... (or am i!)

So this is going to be a pretty huge jump as well.
 
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