UPDATE: E6400 @3.5Ghz/1.42vcore Orthos small FFT's 8hr

[NoStateofMind]

updated with Orthos 6hrs screen shot.

 

[MADMAX23]

Nice...now you can start tweaking your Ram memory!!!

 

[sbinh]

Originally posted by: MADMAX23
Nice...now you can start tweaking your Ram memory!!!

MadMax23,

Can you list all your settings? No matter what I tried, the Vcore (in bios) must be >1.5375v (~1.496v in window) .. temp pretty high (63-64*C Full load) ... and Orthor (blend) either failed or system restarted.

These are my settings:

[AI] Manual
[CPU Freq] 400 / 401 / 402
[DRAM Freq] 800/802/804
[Spread Spectrum] Disabled
[Vdimm] 1.9/2.0/2.1
[Vcore] 1.475/1.5 / 1.5125/1.525/1.5375/1.55 (passed Orthor for 40minutes)
[Ratio CMOS] 8
[C1E] Disabled
[Vanderpool Tech] Disabled
[Intel speedstep] Disabled
[DRAM timing] 5-5-5-15-6-35
[Static Read Control] Disabled

Everything else = AUTO.

This is my first time playing with oc ....


E6400
Asus P5B Dlx (0711)
2.1GB- OCZ2G8002GK - PC2-6400
Corsair Nautilus 500 WaterCooling (replaced fan stock with SylverStone FM121)
Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste
2 PSUs (temp) - Aspire 500W + PC PW&C 470W (awaiting OCZ GameXtreme 700W)
Chenbro XPIDER Gaming "Bomb" Case
LiteOn 1653S DVDRW + Optorite DD201 DVDRW
Seagate SATA 120GB hdd.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: MADMAX23
cmdrdredd: I think you haven't read my short description of my testing methodology!

I did and you don't understand. If Orthos blend fails how the hell do you know what to adjust? YOU DON'T!

If you fail SmallFFT you know your CPU can't do that speed at the voltage so you know what component to adjust. If your memory fails memtest it's obvious that those timings/speeds aren't working.

 

[MADMAX23]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: MADMAX23
cmdrdredd: I think you haven't read my short description of my testing methodology!

I did and you don't understand. If Orthos blend fails how the hell do you know what to adjust? YOU DON'T!

If you fail SmallFFT you know your CPU can't do that speed at the voltage so you know what component to adjust. If your memory fails memtest it's obvious that those timings/speeds aren't working.

You don't get it yet...reread it please,....when I say CPU stress test I'm referring to Orthos Small FFTs test...that may help you understand....reread it with patience, please.

 

[MADMAX23]

Originally posted by: sbinh

Originally posted by: MADMAX23
Nice...now you can start tweaking your Ram memory!!!

MadMax23,

Can you list all your settings? No matter what I tried, the Vcore (in bios) must be >1.5375v (~1.496v in window) .. temp pretty high (63-64*C Full load) ... and Orthor (blend) either failed or system restarted.

These are my settings:

[AI] Manual
[CPU Freq] 400 / 401 / 402
[DRAM Freq] 800/802/804
[Spread Spectrum] Disabled
[Vdimm] 1.9/2.0/2.1
[Vcore] 1.475/1.5 / 1.5125/1.525/1.5375/1.55 (passed Orthor for 40minutes)
[Ratio CMOS] 8
[C1E] Disabled
[Vanderpool Tech] Disabled
[Intel speedstep] Disabled
[DRAM timing] 5-5-5-15-6-35
[Static Read Control] Disabled

Everything else = AUTO.

This is my first time playing with oc ....


E6400
Asus P5B Dlx (0711)
2.1GB- OCZ2G8002GK - PC2-6400
Corsair Nautilus 500 WaterCooling (replaced fan stock with SylverStone FM121)
Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste
2 PSUs (temp) - Aspire 500W + PC PW&C 470W (awaiting OCZ GameXtreme 700W)
Chenbro XPIDER Gaming "Bomb" Case
LiteOn 1653S DVDRW + Optorite DD201 DVDRW
Seagate SATA 120GB hdd.

I'll post all my settings, I promise, but not right now, I'm very busy!

 

[sbinh]

Thanks MadMax ....

After playing around, I got the Orthor ran 12hrs (blend) then ran dual Prime95 for 4hrs (custom set ... with 400MB mem) ... Settings as follow:

[AI] Manual
[CPU Freq] 401
[DRAM Freq] 802
[Vdimm] 1.9
[Vcore] 4.5625 (BIOS) / 1.528v (AI Suite window) --> full loaded: 1.512v (AI SUITE)
[Ratio CMOS] 8
[C1E] Disabled
[Intel speedstep] Disabled
[DRAM timing] 5-5-5-15-6-42
[Static Read Control] Disabled

Everything else = AUTO

CPU/SYSTEM temp:
- Idle: 45/29
- Orthor / dual Prime: 58-63/32

Currently, trying to lower VCORE to 1.55v (in BIOS) ....

 

[NoStateofMind]

Uodated, Running @ 3.5Ghz w/1.42vcore for 50 minutes. Will update with screen shot after 6+ hours of Orthos small FFT's.

Also had a stable clock of 3440Mhz w/1.4vcore, but my goal is 3.5Ghz. Seems to be doing that now.

My temps are lower than they were before with orthos running 3.4. At that time I was getting 71C under load, I'm now at 69C under load with the 3.5Ghz. But I know that is only due to my ambient temp being lower.

When this is proven stable I will then start running memtest.

Sorry guys, I just had to have 3.5Ghz!!

Hmm.....now what about 3.6.....

EDIT: Haha, Ive got my window open with a fan blowing down to the bottom of the case. Side door off and a smaller fan blowing from the floor up into my scythe infinity. Temp outside is 48F or 9C lol With that in mind my load temp is 60C in CoreTemp and 57C with Asus A.I.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Orthos 8hr 30 min using small FFT's @3.5Ghz

 

[Madellga]

PC Surgeon, my 2 cents if you allow me.

If Orthos is not stable (the blend), then you cannot trust your system 100%.

My E6400 runs 100% at 3.2GHz. I can get it to run also at 3.4, 3.5 or 3.6
At 3.5 and 3.6 I can only run SuperPi, VCore goes high and Coretemp readings above 65C.

At 3.4GHz, I can run Orthos for many hours. The problem: it can fail at 3 hours or 7 hours or 10 hours - everytime it crashes in a different timing.

Well, I thought 10 hours, not bad and should be stable. Well, what happened is that the computer BSOD during a GW mission, which sucks because I lost it all (the instance resets if you get out). Also, if leave the computer doing video compression for a time, you can come back and find Windows BSOD or computer reset.

Technonut is right, running Orthos or Prime and browsing the Internet (I normally read the news) is a good test. An instable setup sometimes stops the Orthos run just because you opened an Explorer session: that's definitely not stable. At this same condition, the computer could run Orthos for hours, but once I touched it it went down.

What MADMAX23 said is absolutely correct, FSB 400 is the sweet spot: tighter timings, low VCore: high performance and quiet system.

I also want more like you, but I decided it is greed - we already went from 2.1 to 3.2, we should be happy for that. Many people don't even reach this result.
A few weeks ago I had an A64X2 that could only o/c 20%.....I decided to quit the hunt for higher clock....timing and money consuming.

And for the higher results, I think very few are really stable. What people normally show is SuperPi runs, which means nothing for 24/7 stability.

I hope you suceed on your quest, but if not - don't worry, be happy man !

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Madellga
PC Surgeon, my 2 cents if you allow me.

If Orthos is not stable (the blend), then you cannot trust your system 100%.

My E6400 runs 100% at 3.2GHz. I can get it to run also at 3.4, 3.5 or 3.6
At 3.5 and 3.6 I can only run SuperPi, VCore goes high and Coretemp readings above 65C.

At 3.4GHz, I can run Orthos for many hours. The problem: it can fail at 3 hours or 7 hours or 10 hours - everytime it crashes in a different timing.

Well, I thought 10 hours, not bad and should be stable. Well, what happened is that the computer BSOD during a GW mission, which sucks because I lost it all (the instance resets if you get out). Also, if leave the computer doing video compression for a time, you can come back and find Windows BSOD or computer reset.

Technonut is right, running Orthos or Prime and browsing the Internet (I normally read the news) is a good test. An instable setup sometimes stops the Orthos run just because you opened an Explorer session: that's definitely not stable. At this same condition, the computer could run Orthos for hours, but once I touched it it went down.

What MADMAX23 said is absolutely correct, FSB 400 is the sweet spot: tighter timings, low VCore: high performance and quiet system.

I also want more like you, but I decided it is greed - we already went from 2.1 to 3.2, we should be happy for that. Many people don't even reach this result.
A few weeks ago I had an A64X2 that could only o/c 20%.....I decided to quit the hunt for higher clock....timing and money consuming.

And for the higher results, I think very few are really stable. What people normally show is SuperPi runs, which means nothing for 24/7 stability.

I hope you suceed on your quest, but if not - don't worry, be happy man !

I have ran Orthos small FFT's for almost 9 hours without errors. Currently running Orthos blend, and I will post a screen shot when it is 6+ hours stable. As for erroring when opening firefox/anything, it hasn't. I was having a problem before because I had "static read control" enabled in BIOS. Since I disabled that, it seems I can reach my desired speed without problem. I don't do video compression, altho I may in the future. I play DOD:S, and thats about as intensive as it gets with my system. Again, as I type this, I'm running Orthos blend, and surfing, typing ect.

My temps right now are lower than they were before (window not open, not cheating ). The reason? Well I had this hair brained idea. Instead of having my fan on the Scythe Infinity blow though the heatpipes and out to the rear exhoust fan, I switched it to blow upwards toward the PSU. For some odd reason, my temps get lower and stay lower. I think I dropped anywhere from 4c-10c just from switching it

As for 400 FSB being the sweet spot with tighter timings, well I havent touched my timing, its the same 4-4-4-10 as it was with 3.2, 3.4 and now 3.5.

As for temps, I've seen my CPU get as high as 70C for atleast 6 hrs (the 3.4 test), so Heat is not something I'm worried about. When I game the most it is at is 54C when I alt+tab. So my system will never reach that pinnicle during real world apps.

Thanks for the encouragement though Madellga, I certainly like input.

So after getting 6+ hours of Orthos blend, what else do I need for stability?

 

[VooDooAddict]

Originally posted by: MADMAX23
3) Let Ram memory out of equation; How? Running a lower divider (if possible, not with the P5B-D for ex.), increasing Ram voltage (2.2v-2.3v), relaxing all timings (5-6-6-18), testing 2 hours with Memtest 86 1.65 specially tests 5 and 6.

Spiking the RAM voltage isn't nessesary if you are relaxing timings and dropping frequency. Some RAM gets way too hot at those voltages too.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: VooDooAddict

Originally posted by: MADMAX23
3) Let Ram memory out of equation; How? Running a lower divider (if possible, not with the P5B-D for ex.), increasing Ram voltage (2.2v-2.3v), relaxing all timings (5-6-6-18), testing 2 hours with Memtest 86 1.65 specially tests 5 and 6.

Spiking the RAM voltage isn't nessesary if you are relaxing timings and dropping frequency. Some RAM gets way too hot at those voltages too.

Some memory won't even post at that voltage.

 

[Technonut]

So after getting 6+ hours of Orthos blend, what else do I need for stability?

How about 24 hours of Small FFTs? A few good AutoGK encoding sessions will also show any stability weakness that Orthos missed.

I am currently shooting for 3.7GHz... It has taken many hours of testing, but when/if 3.7GHz goes in my sig, you can bet the farm it is rock-solid-stable... NO BSODs, NO Lock-Ups, (no matter which app/game used) NO Sh1t...

I guess that I am the forum stability nazi....

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Technonut

So after getting 6+ hours of Orthos blend, what else do I need for stability?

How about 24 hours of Small FFTs? A few good AutoGK encoding sessions will also show any stability weakness that Orthos missed.

I am currently shooting for 3.7GHz... It has taken many hours of testing, but when/if 3.7GHz goes in my sig, you can bet the farm it is rock-solid-stable... NO BSODs, NO Lock-Ups, (no matter which app/game used) NO Sh1t...

I guess that I am the forum stability nazi....

24 hrs of orthos small FFT's? Holy crap! Not going to happen. I know nothing about "autoGK". Like I said before, the MOST my system gets used is during gaming, thats it. I may play a movie, surf, e-mail, type on forums and thats about it.

My first test of Orthos blend failed after 2hrs and 30 minutes. I raised the voltage on the RAM a notch and I'm at 2 hrs and 15 minutes ATM.

Now if I was Mr.encode or something maybe I would shoot for more.

 

[n7]

Very nice OC

 

[MADMAX23]

Originally posted by: Technonut

So after getting 6+ hours of Orthos blend, what else do I need for stability?

How about 24 hours of Small FFTs? A few good AutoGK encoding sessions will also show any stability weakness that Orthos missed.

I am currently shooting for 3.7GHz... It has taken many hours of testing, but when/if 3.7GHz goes in my sig, you can bet the farm it is rock-solid-stable... NO BSODs, NO Lock-Ups, (no matter which app/game used) NO Sh1t...

I guess that I am the forum stability nazi....

I am like you Technonut, I can't even use my Pc if I'm not 100% sure it is 100% stable.
So don't change, stability addict, you're not alone!!!

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: MADMAX23

Originally posted by: Technonut

So after getting 6+ hours of Orthos blend, what else do I need for stability?

How about 24 hours of Small FFTs? A few good AutoGK encoding sessions will also show any stability weakness that Orthos missed.

I am currently shooting for 3.7GHz... It has taken many hours of testing, but when/if 3.7GHz goes in my sig, you can bet the farm it is rock-solid-stable... NO BSODs, NO Lock-Ups, (no matter which app/game used) NO Sh1t...

I guess that I am the forum stability nazi....

I am like you Technonut, I can't even use my Pc if I'm not 100% sure it is 100% stable.
So don't change, stability addict, you're not alone!!!

MADMAX, see my post in another thread about your wretched chip!! *shakes fist*

 

[MADMAX23]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: MADMAX23

Originally posted by: Technonut

So after getting 6+ hours of Orthos blend, what else do I need for stability?

How about 24 hours of Small FFTs? A few good AutoGK encoding sessions will also show any stability weakness that Orthos missed.

I am currently shooting for 3.7GHz... It has taken many hours of testing, but when/if 3.7GHz goes in my sig, you can bet the farm it is rock-solid-stable... NO BSODs, NO Lock-Ups, (no matter which app/game used) NO Sh1t...

I guess that I am the forum stability nazi....

I am like you Technonut, I can't even use my Pc if I'm not 100% sure it is 100% stable.
So don't change, stability addict, you're not alone!!!

MADMAX, see my post in another thread about your wretched chip!! *shakes fist*

Emmm.... firstly, be gentle. Secondly, wash your mouth. Thirdly, wretched chip? you don't know what you are talking about, do you?

I do still recommend you and everybody to stay at 400 FSB x 8 = 3200 Mhz, it's the sweet spot. Low voltage, a good chipset memory strap, nice memory performance then....it's the best option for 24/7 use. However, you (and me too, why the hell not?) can push your system more...memory performance will suffer until you pass 455-460 FSB but that's up to you. In my case, I just want to find my highest CPU stable OC at a Max voltage of 1.5v. What will I do when I find a MAX overall OC with nice performance? Use for benchmarking and ocasionally, for ex, when reencoding a DVD movie with Procoder 2.0...that kind of tasks, but not for 24/7 use, definitively not.

Right now I'm still testing 3.6Ghz at 1.460v (actual Vcore)...if it passes succesfully my tests, I'll go for 3.7Ghz and so on until I hit 1.5v...but that does not mean I will use that config (3.6 or 3.7 Ghz) for 24/7. I'll use it for benchmarking, not for 24/7, is it clear?

Think about the very first parragraph, body...forum users, including me, don't like that kind of guys here...

 

[Nightmare225]

Bah, how do you guys manage to get E6400s so high? My system starts getting unstable after it passes the 3.15 GHz mark.

 

[MADMAX23]

What FSB have you set in Bios? 383x8 or 437x7....You've got a different motherboard, I haven't tested that board yet. It is known that board cannot Oc its FSB as high as the P5B deluxe so that maybe a limiting factor.
Another thing you should know is not every chip overclocks as high as others do, it's a matter of luck.
You could try upping the FSB voltage, the NBv or the Vcore, that's all I can tell you right now...

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: MADMAX23

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: MADMAX23

Originally posted by: Technonut

So after getting 6+ hours of Orthos blend, what else do I need for stability?

How about 24 hours of Small FFTs? A few good AutoGK encoding sessions will also show any stability weakness that Orthos missed.

I am currently shooting for 3.7GHz... It has taken many hours of testing, but when/if 3.7GHz goes in my sig, you can bet the farm it is rock-solid-stable... NO BSODs, NO Lock-Ups, (no matter which app/game used) NO Sh1t...

I guess that I am the forum stability nazi....

I am like you Technonut, I can't even use my Pc if I'm not 100% sure it is 100% stable.
So don't change, stability addict, you're not alone!!!

MADMAX, see my post in another thread about your wretched chip!! *shakes fist*

Emmm.... firstly, be gentle. Secondly, wash your mouth. Thirdly, wretched chip? you don't know what you are talking about, do you?

I do still recommend you and everybody to stay at 400 FSB x 8 = 3200 Mhz, it's the sweet spot. Low voltage, a good chipset memory strap, nice memory performance then....it's the best option for 24/7 use. However, you (and me too, why the hell not?) can push your system more...memory performance will suffer until you pass 455-460 FSB but that's up to you. In my case, I just want to find my highest CPU stable OC at a Max voltage of 1.5v. What will I do when I find a MAX overall OC with nice performance? Use for benchmarking and ocasionally, for ex, when reencoding a DVD movie with Procoder 2.0...that kind of tasks, but not for 24/7 use, definitively not.

Right now I'm still testing 3.6Ghz at 1.460v (actual Vcore)...if it passes succesfully my tests, I'll go for 3.7Ghz and so on until I hit 1.5v...but that does not mean I will use that config (3.6 or 3.7 Ghz) for 24/7. I'll use it for benchmarking, not for 24/7, is it clear?

Think about the very first parragraph, body...forum users, including me, don't like that kind of guys here...

Ummm, hello? Do you think I was being mean and demeaning you? Are you kidding? LOL

 

[Technonut]

24 hrs of orthos small FFT's? Holy crap! Not going to happen.

Why not?.... It does not take much effort if your rig is stable... Like this:

3.7GHz 25 Hour Stability Screenie

Now, off to tighten up those pesky RAM timings some....

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Technonut

24 hrs of orthos small FFT's? Holy crap! Not going to happen.

Why not?.... It does not take much effort if your rig is stable... Like this:

3.7GHz 25 Hour Stability Screenie

Now, off to tighten up those pesky RAM timings some....

This is my only PC, and doing 24hr stress test, would be hell. No gaming for a full day? Shoot me now!

 

[Madellga]

PC Surgeon, when I mentioned FSB400 as the sweet spot, I meant about the strap timings, I didn't mean about the ram timings.

This is really not my field (I'm a mech. engineer, so sorry in advance for my ignorance......)

Strap timings are about how fast the NB/CPU exchange info. It seems when you go above FSB400, the mobo(bios settings you can't see) automatically "relax'" those timings to allow higher clock speeds. What happens, for example, is that system speed could be higher at FSB395 than FSB405.

Tony from Be forums made a nice post about it:
http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23803

Of course, CPU speed is normally king....I guess this finding tells you to use the higher CPU multiplier available.