**UPDATE** Just got my interview scheduled at the police department. (formerly the polygraph thread)

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Lifer
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**UPDATE** After over a month they finally scheduled my interview for March 25th @ 7:45 PM.



I go in on Wednesday to take the polygraph test for my job application at the local Police Department. Has anyone here taken one before? Feel free to share your experience.


Edit:

I just got back from my polygraph exam, and I passed . Here's a description of the process. It may appear a little long, but it is very interesting. It is. No really, it is.

I walked into the PD still wearing my winter hat & gloves with my jacket (it's about -25F right now) and was told to wait for the Detective. He opened the door and made a comment about my "goofy" hat, which I was no longer wearing...no doubt trying to give me the impression that he can see everything. He lead me into a small room and I was instructed to sit on a large chair with a sensor on the seat. I was facing a two-way mirror, with the equipment on a desk to my right. I was read my Miranda rights and signed a form stating that fact. I was then hooked up to the machine (straps on stomach & chest, blood pressure cuff on arm, sweat-detecting straps on fingers) and asked a few background/crime related questions (without the machine on).

The Detective then moved over to the desk and put some information into a laptop before the test began. He began with an exercise that had me choose a number between 2 & 6, write it on a piece of paper, and put the paper under my leg. He then had me say "no" to the question "did you chose __" using numbers 1-7. After I did that, he asked me to be truthful. He immediately asked about #3, which was correct. He then showed me the graph, and where I said 3 there was a HUGE jump, even though I thought I felt pretty even when I answered.

Then the real test began. I had to answer 2 sets of 10 questions, twice a piece. There was at least 30 seconds between each question, and some of them were repeated multiple times. There were base questions about my name and location, as well as questions about theft, drugs, and lying. After all the charts were complete, he left the room to add up the scores while I filled out another form. I assume he went behind the mirror to observe me, so I took my time with the form and read through it while he was gone. He came back in and showed how my results added up. For each question there are 4 or 5 different physical readings, marked by + (truthful), 0 (inconclusive, or - (negative). They are tallied and if it comes to +1 or better you pass. I did.

After the test I had my picture taken (front and side) and was fingerprinted. After that I was free to go. Any questions?
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: dmurray14
wtf...what are you applying for?

Reserve Police Officer. It's very common for law enforcement agencies to polygraph their applicants. There's a pretty big movement against it, due to false positives, but apparently it still weeds out some who lied on their applications and background information.
 

ViperXX

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Yes in 94' when I was a Correctional Officer. They'll set a baseline first asking you simple questions like your birth date, age etc. Then they'll ask about drug use, stealing from previous employers, etc. Just tell the truth and you'll be fine.
 

bradruth

Lifer
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Originally posted by: PipBoy
Will they ask you if you've ever watched Melrose Place?

Probably. The background info I had to give was pretty thorough.


Originally posted by: ViperXX
Yes in 94' when I was Correctional Officer. They'll set a baseline first asking you simple questions like your birth date, age etc. Then they'll ask about drug use, stealing from previous employers, etc. Just tell the truth and you'll be fine.

Yeah, my only concern is the chance of a false positive. I know how the polygraph works, so if I don't react strongly enough during the control questions (since I may expect them) then I could get a false reading.
 

ViperXX

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Yeah, my only concern is the chance of a false positive. I know how the polygraph works, so if I don't react strongly enough during the control questions (since I may expect them) then I could get a false reading.

Well when I did mine that blood pressure cuff they had around my arm was killing me through the whole freaking test. I even told the guy doing the test "this thing is killing my arm, can you adjust it". He didn't care. We went through the entire test this way. So I don't know if he could read my stress levels or not.
 

LiQiCE

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I've had to take one for a criminal investigation in my office when I was in college. We had like $50k worth of computers stolen from our office and the State police wanted everyone to take a polygraph to 'eliminate' suspects. I was innocent so I took the polygraph.

Polygraphers(sp?) are trained to be cordial with you when they're going over the questions but you're not hooked up to the machine. Look for them to go from Jekyll to Hyde when you're hooked up to the machine. The officer I had started yelling at me for moving, accused me of trying to beat the test, and told me he thought I was lying because the machine only felt I had an 83% probability of telling the truth. Also, you're usually hooked up to the machine for a fairly long period of time (30 minutes per questioning session for me over the course of about 2 hours). The equipment is like a torture device. It cuts off the circulation to your arms and in the middle of Spring when it was about 65 degrees out and nice my hand turned from completely normal to ghost white with the skin actually "popping" from being so dried out. I also have problems with my knees so I need to crack them every so often, and the officer was not very forgiving about that.

All in all, if I was ever given the option to take a polygraph test again I do not think I'd accept again. Polygraph tests hold no water in criminal court and are mainly used as intimidation tools. The officer that gave my test totally was trying to get a confession out of me hence the accusations during the test.

I unfortunately will have to take one again at some point because my job requires that I take one every so often... Damn gov't jobs

 

bradruth

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Originally posted by: ViperXX
Yeah, my only concern is the chance of a false positive. I know how the polygraph works, so if I don't react strongly enough during the control questions (since I may expect them) then I could get a false reading.

Well when I did mine that blood pressure cuff they had around my arm was killing me through the whole freaking test. I even told the guy doing the test "this thing is killing my arm, can you adjust it". He didn't care. We went through the entire test this way. So I don't know if he could read my stress levels or not.

He was probably just using that as a method of control. They want you to know they are the ones in charge and portray themselves as human lie-detecting machines. Seems to work on at least some levels.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: LiQiCE
I've had to take one for a criminal investigation in my office when I was in college. We had like $50k worth of computers stolen from our office and the State police wanted everyone to take a polygraph to 'eliminate' suspects. I was innocent so I took the polygraph.

Polygraphers(sp?) are trained to be cordial with you when they're going over the questions but you're not hooked up to the machine. Look for them to go from Jekyll to Hyde when you're hooked up to the machine. The officer I had started yelling at me for moving, accused me of trying to beat the test, and told me he thought I was lying because the machine only felt I had an 83% probability of telling the truth. Also, you're usually hooked up to the machine for a fairly long period of time (30 minutes per questioning session for me over the course of about 2 hours). The equipment is like a torture device. It cuts off the circulation to your arms and in the middle of Spring when it was about 65 degrees out and nice my hand turned from completely normal to ghost white with the skin actually "popping" from being so dried out. I also have problems with my knees so I need to crack them every so often, and the officer was not very forgiving about that.

All in all, if I was ever given the option to take a polygraph test again I do not think I'd accept again. Polygraph tests hold no water in criminal court and are mainly used as intimidation tools. The officer that gave my test totally was trying to get a confession out of me hence the accusations during the test.

I unfortunately will have to take one again at some point because my job requires that I take one every so often... Damn gov't jobs

Heh, that seems like the norm from what I've been reading. Like I mentioned above, it's really about control and (like you said) intimidation. I didn't think the machine was that uncomfortable though. Oh well, it'll all be worth it in the end.


P.S. If anyone is interested, there is some interesting information at http://antipolygraph.org. The note about the CIA questioning that guy about his sexual performance regarding his recent divorce is quite an eye-opener.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Alot of good stuff in this thread.

I would only add wifes administer them quite often
and if I believe it, it's not a lie......
 

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Originally posted by: galvanizedyankee
Alot of good stuff in this thread.

I would only add wifes administer them quite often
and if I believe it, it's not a lie......

Just put a tack in your shoe. She'll never know.
 

bradruth

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I just got back from my polygraph exam, and I passed . Here's a description of the process. It may appear a little long, but it is very interesting. It is. No really, it is.

I walked into the PD still wearing my winter hat & gloves with my jacket (it's about -25F right now) and was told to wait for the Detective. He opened the door and made a comment about my "goofy" hat, which I was no longer wearing...no doubt trying to give me the impression that he can see everything. He lead me into a small room and I was instructed to sit on a large chair with a sensor on the seat. I was facing a two-way mirror, with the equipment on a desk to my right. I was read my Miranda rights and signed a form stating that fact. I was then hooked up to the machine (straps on stomach & chest, blood pressure cuff on arm, sweat-detecting straps on fingers) and asked a few background/crime related questions (without the machine on).

The Detective then moved over to the desk and put some information into a laptop before the test began. He began with an exercise that had me choose a number between 2 & 6, write it on a piece of paper, and put the paper under my leg. He then had me say "no" to the question "did you chose __" using numbers 1-7. After I did that, he asked me to be truthful. He immediately asked about #3, which was correct. He then showed me the graph, and where I said 3 there was a HUGE jump, even though I thought I felt pretty even when I answered.

Then the real test began. I had to answer 2 sets of 10 questions, twice a piece. There was at least 30 seconds between each question, and some of them were repeated multiple times. There were base questions about my name and location, as well as questions about theft, drugs, and lying. After all the charts were complete, he left the room to add up the scores while I filled out another form. I assume he went behind the mirror to observe me, so I took my time with the form and read through it while he was gone. He came back in and showed how my results added up. For each question there are 4 or 5 different physical readings, marked by + (truthful), 0 (inconclusive, or - (negative). They are tallied and if it comes to +1 or better you pass. I did.

After the test I had my picture taken (front and side) and was fingerprinted. After that I was free to go. Any questions?
 

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PunDogg

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man all they had to do was interogate you and you would have been a criminal, they put you through so many hoops

Dogg
 

PanzerIV

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Originally posted by: PunDogg
man all they had to do was interogate you and you would have been a criminal, they put you through so many hoops

Dogg

That's the same thing I was thinking. I am surprised they didn't throw him in a cell for a few hours!
 

gentobu

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Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: LiQiCE
I've had to take one for a criminal investigation in my office when I was in college. We had like $50k worth of computers stolen from our office and the State police wanted everyone to take a polygraph to 'eliminate' suspects. I was innocent so I took the polygraph.

Polygraphers(sp?) are trained to be cordial with you when they're going over the questions but you're not hooked up to the machine. Look for them to go from Jekyll to Hyde when you're hooked up to the machine. The officer I had started yelling at me for moving, accused me of trying to beat the test, and told me he thought I was lying because the machine only felt I had an 83% probability of telling the truth. Also, you're usually hooked up to the machine for a fairly long period of time (30 minutes per questioning session for me over the course of about 2 hours). The equipment is like a torture device. It cuts off the circulation to your arms and in the middle of Spring when it was about 65 degrees out and nice my hand turned from completely normal to ghost white with the skin actually "popping" from being so dried out. I also have problems with my knees so I need to crack them every so often, and the officer was not very forgiving about that.

All in all, if I was ever given the option to take a polygraph test again I do not think I'd accept again. Polygraph tests hold no water in criminal court and are mainly used as intimidation tools. The officer that gave my test totally was trying to get a confession out of me hence the accusations during the test.

I unfortunately will have to take one again at some point because my job requires that I take one every so often... Damn gov't jobs

Heh, that seems like the norm from what I've been reading. Like I mentioned above, it's really about control and (like you said) intimidation. I didn't think the machine was that uncomfortable though. Oh well, it'll all be worth it in the end.


P.S. If anyone is interested, there is some interesting information at http://antipolygraph.org. The note about the CIA questioning that guy about his sexual performance regarding his recent divorce is quite an eye-opener.

Thanks. That's a pretty interesting site.
 

bradruth

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Hey Brad - congrats! :beer::beer:

Thanks!

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
and they took mugshots?....

well, glad you passed...so did you get the job?

Yeah, they're pretty much mugshots. I have the panel interview next Wednesday, so I'm not hired yet. If I get chosen I still have to do a psychological screening and have a physical. *cough*

Originally posted by: PunDogg
man all they had to do was interogate you and you would have been a criminal, they put you through so many hoops

Dogg

Yeah, but they didn't treat me like a criminal. It had an interview-like feel to it.

Originally posted by: gentobu

Thanks. That's a pretty interesting site.

You're welcome.
 

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**UPDATE** After over a month they finally scheduled my interview for March 25th @ 7:45 PM.
 
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