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Lifer
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I don't understand how a pass gives them 3 possible plays and running only gives them 2. Also they took the time out after the miraculous catch.

The got the ball at the 5 with 1:06 and 1 timeout remaining. That is more than enough time to run 4 plays. Not having enough time should have never been a consideration.

They ran the 2nd down with what.. 26 seconds left? If they run and get stuffed, there's probably 20-22 seconds. They'd probably have to call time out here to draw up a run. If they get stuffed again there might be 13-15 seconds to get the ball set, lines set, etc. Could be done but the timing is stupid tight.

From the Grantland article:

If you’re thinking about the game coming down to those three plays, you can also piece together a case that second down is the best time to throw the ball. As Wilson took that fateful second-down snap, there were 26 seconds left and Seattle had one timeout. Let’s pretend for a moment that the Seahawks decide to run the ball on second down. If they don’t get it, they have to call timeout, probably with about 22 seconds left. That means they’re stuck passing on third down with virtually no chance of running the ball, because it would be too difficult to line up after a failed run.

On the other hand, by throwing on second down, you could get two cracks at running the football while providing some semblance of doubt for the Patriots. If Wilson’s pass on second down is incomplete (and he avoids a sack, which seems likely given his ability to scramble), the clock stops with something like 20 seconds to go. That means you can run the ball on third down, use your final timeout, and then run the ball again on fourth down. All three plays come with the possibility of either throwing or running, which prevents the Patriots from selling out against one particular type of play.
 

emperus

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They ran the 2nd down with what.. 26 seconds left? If they run and get stuffed, there's probably 20-22 seconds. They'd probably have to call time out here to draw up a run. If they get stuffed again there might be 13-15 seconds to get the ball set, lines set, etc. Could be done but the timing is stupid tight.

From the Grantland article:

They had 1st and Goal at the 5 with 1:06 remaining and 1 timeout.
They ran Marshawn lynch to the 1 and that play ended with about 1:00 minute left. So it was 2nd and goal from the 1 with 1:00 min and 1 timeout. They let the clock run down to the 26 and ran their 2nd down play. They still could have run a 2nd, 3rd and 4th down play with 26 seconds left and one timeout.
 

Ban Bot

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They were Lobs and Mathews pushed off on most of them. Fortunately for Mathews, the refs ate their whistle.

Gronk's early push off on Kam set the tone for what was permissible. If you are going to whine about Matthews then you need to whine about Gronk. But you won't do that.

You way of seeing things is very one sided; the Matthews "push off" is the only reason Seattle did anything but no discussion of the impact of losing players during the game. Or how Seattle lead 24-21 going into the final minutes and was @ the 1 yard line with 1:09 left in the game, 1 time out, and 3 downs. Heck, the box score shows Seattle ran efficiently against NE and had better average per play production. Where Seattle got beat was 3rd downs and not coming away with TDs in the red zone.

Basically NE is an awesome team and losing to a bad team late and almost lost (think of Lynch had kept his balance) but it has nothing to do with the other team did. The 160+ yards rushing and picking on a short corner was all luck. But everything NE did was skill and execution.

Got it.
 

Ns1

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Gronk's early push off on Kam set the tone for what was permissible. If you are going to whine about Matthews then you need to whine about Gronk. But you won't do that.

You way of seeing things is very one sided; the Matthews "push off" is the only reason Seattle did anything but no discussion of the impact of losing players during the game. Or how Seattle lead 24-21 going into the final minutes and was @ the 1 yard line with 1:09 left in the game, 1 time out, and 3 downs. Heck, the box score shows Seattle ran efficiently against NE and had better average per play production. Where Seattle got beat was 3rd downs and not coming away with TDs in the red zone.

Basically NE is an awesome team and losing to a bad team late and almost lost (think of Lynch had kept his balance) but it has nothing to do with the other team did. The 160+ yards rushing and picking on a short corner was all luck. But everything NE did was skill and execution.

Got it.

Exactly, and now you understand how Pats outclassed the Hawks so much.

wait what?
 

Michael

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Second guessing the play calling is part of being a fan of the game, I guess. 1st quarter the Pats get intercepted after driving deep. They score that TD and the call would have made no difference. It was a great game with two teams that played hard and where the outcome was in doubt until the very end. All I want when watching a game (I have been a Patriots fan since childhood, so I was extra happy but the game was good regardless of the outcome).

Btw - I am posting from China and you do not need a vpn to read and post in Anandtech, so there is no benefit to that person you are griefimg going to China.

Michael
 

KK

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They had 1st and Goal at the 5 with 1:06 remaining and 1 timeout.
They ran Marshawn lynch to the 1 and that play ended with about 1:00 minute left. So it was 2nd and goal from the 1 with 1:00 min and 1 timeout. They let the clock run down to the 26 and ran their 2nd down play. They still could have run a 2nd, 3rd and 4th down play with 26 seconds left and one timeout.

run, timeout, pass, run. 3 plays. either way it was silly to throw inside like that, but thats just me on monday. I would have kicked the fg also right before half, sometimes you're right, sometimes you're wrong.
 
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emperus

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run, timeout, pass, run. 3 plays. either way it was silly to throw inside like that, but thats just me on monday. I would have kicked the fg also right before half, sometimes your right, sometimes your wrong.

That's why I can't be too mad at what he did. He's aggressive. that fake field goal against the Packers probabaly won them that game.
 

Ns1

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This is why I'm glad Seattle Lost. Talk about a classless organization.

Who the fuck is bob condotta and why should I care? seriously, what the fuck is up with using 3rd party tweets as a source.
 

leeland

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This from a related article...too funny for words...




Not sure if the guy is more bummed they lost or that he has to leave the stadium in that outfit
 

BUTCH1

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Now there's an interesting question. If Seattle hangs on to their bandwagon fans for ten more years are they still bandwagon? :hmm:

If I were on here like Packers fans a couple weeks ago crying about penalties and how the better team lost etc, that would be acting like a sore loser. I haven't complained about penalties or lack thereof. The Patriots played better for more of the game. Hence the win. The Patriots were still beatable though, and Seattle failed to capitalize on the chances they had.

I still have no respect for the Patriots as an organization, and I fail to see why the fact that they scored more points yesterday means I should.

You should because Brady, (under fire form the Seattle pass-rush) found ways to stay upright long enough for accurate, game-winning throws, they must be the only team down 10 points in the 4th to come back and win against that defense, 3rd and 14 and they convert?, unheard of against Seattle. Also figure in they had abandoned the run by the 4th and were a one-dimensional team. also a big "fuck-you" to troy Aikmen who was calling for Brady to disqualify himself from the SB and the Bus wining on ESPN, "shame on you tom Brady, you didn't admit your crime", Here's a big "fuck-you" to Bus who is probably still sore after being negating to a footnote in TWO losses at home in AFC championship games, EAT IT ASSHOLES, EAT IT!!
 
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BUTCH1

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Gronk's early push off on Kam set the tone for what was permissible. If you are going to whine about Matthews then you need to whine about Gronk. But you won't do that.

You way of seeing things is very one sided; the Matthews "push off" is the only reason Seattle did anything but no discussion of the impact of losing players during the game. Or how Seattle lead 24-21 going into the final minutes and was @ the 1 yard line with 1:09 left in the game, 1 time out, and 3 downs. Heck, the box score shows Seattle ran efficiently against NE and had better average per play production. Where Seattle got beat was 3rd downs and not coming away with TDs in the red zone.

Basically NE is an awesome team and losing to a bad team late and almost lost (think of Lynch had kept his balance) but it has nothing to do with the other team did. The 160+ yards rushing and picking on a short corner was all luck. But everything NE did was skill and execution.

Got it.

Dude, it was an epic battle between two very good teams, yea, Brady went after the rookie DB but that's football, if a starting NE O-lineman went out don't you think Seattle would test his replacement?. Both D's were clearly gassed in the 4th but that's nothing new, it's why there is often a flurry of scoring late in the 4th Qtr in a lot of games, including this one.
 

Deeko

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I haven't read the thread so I'm sure this has been discussed to death, but, my take is that it was just the wrong pass. Ok, you don't like the look so you don't want to ram Lynch up the middle. Fine. You've got arguably the best running QB in football, the safer play that might have even more chance for success is to roll out Wilson. Maybe he runs it in, maybe a defender comes up to defend him leaving a WR open, or maybe he just blasts it out the back of the end zone bringing up a 3rd down. If you want to call a pass there, that just feels like a much better bet than running a quick slant in traffic to a backup receiver.
 

Anubis

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sports page in my paper today had a guy saying that for this NFL season the chances of completing a slant pass from 1 yard out had a higher success rate vs running it in
 

purbeast0

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This is why I'm glad Seattle Lost. Talk about a classless organization.

or wilson could have thrown a better pass.

still shocking that NOBODY in the media or anywhere (on these forums, any forums) are criticizing wilson for the bad pass. everyone is blaming the coaches and now the receiver.
 

lupi

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Maybe league wide, but the patriots have only stopped one runner coming in from the one. In addition if they wanted to try a pass it should have been a rollout to the outside pylon so wilson had either a clear shot for his receiver, or just a short scamper in if they over covered that receiver. The short discussion is that is you listed the ~5 play choices they could have called up, what they did use was 5th on that list and they went with it anyway.
 

manimal

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sports page in my paper today had a guy saying that for this NFL season the chances of completing a slant pass from 1 yard out had a higher success rate vs running it in

Beastmode was 1 for 5 on goal line runs this year. A stacked Box is harder than single coverage on a pick play.


I still think that Browner made the play. If he didnt jam like a MOFO and prevent the pick the seachickens would be considered genius.


again it was a great play by the CB and great coaching for their scout team. they watched their tendencies and exploited it in cruch time. Great coaching getting a player into a position to make a play.


And Lockett could have been more physical in fighting for positon and Wilson threw it too high allowing the CB to get into position. If the ball is a foot lower its a TD or a incomplete pass.
 

lupi

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It wasn't a 100% great pass, but coach and receiver are much higher on the list, they combine for 95% of the blame and wilson gets at most the remaining 5.

At the moment he threw, if he would have pulled it down there was enough of a hole by the left guard he could have probably run through the line and scored.
 

purbeast0

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It wasn't a 100% great pass, but coach and receiver are much higher on the list, they combine for 95% of the blame and wilson gets at most the remaining 5.

At the moment he threw, if he would have pulled it down there was enough of a hole by the left guard he could have probably run through the line and scored.

this is my point exactly. lol giving him 5% of the blame.

or he could have thrown it more at his back shoulder away from where the pats player was in position to make a play.

but nope ... it's the coaches fault and receivers fault!
 
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