** UPDATE** Official 2014-15 NFL 'U LOST Bro'-owl Thread** Pats are SB Champs!!

[lupi]

The new narrow goal post which was rumored to go into trial during next preseason will actually be first used during the ProBowl.

 

[Ban Bot]

I don't expect 4 Wilson ints and a Baldwin fumble either.

Most people don't watch many Seattle games so their sample size is very small. So it shouldn't surprise us how quickly this turnover angle ramped up. It is like the Division against Carolina (Wilson: on 3rd down alone 8/8, 199 yards, 3 TD, no INT) or how well he played all season. e.g. on Turnovers:

Seattle is one of the best at not turning over the ball. They were #3 in turnovers (14 total). Their 7 interceptions were also #3 behind Green Bay (Rodgers) and Kansas City (Smith). Wilson has been fantastic at controlling possession.

The usual rebuttal is Seattle doesn't throw much but the Interception Percentage is 1.5% which also ranks #4 in the league. The usual comeback is that is easy to do for a game manager. But look at the numbers compared to Alex Smith who is an excellent game manager:

Rank (INT) (INT%) (YPA) (TD) (TD%) (Passer Rating)
KC   (1)   (2)    (23)  (27) (24)  (13)
SEA  (3)   (4)    (7)   (22) (14)  (8)

They both have very few attempts: Wilson (SEA was #32 in attempts) and Smith (KC was #28). And both are Top5 when it comes to interceptions per attempt.

Yet playing equally "conservatively" Wilson is # 7 in yards per attempt (KC is a distant # 23) and Wilson was # 8 in passer rating and # 14 in passing TD rate. Considering the fact Seattle scores more than anyone on the ground and the state of their line, tight ends, and receivers those are very good numbers for a 3 year player.

And of course Wilson is also one of the league's best rushers. Wilson was # 16 in rushing yards, # 1 in average per carry, # 7 in carries over 20 yards, # 17 in TDs, # 16 in 1st downs and (iirc) # 2 behind Cam Newton ins 1st down rushing percentage.

For the next 2 weeks we will have to suffer the narrative:

Wilson is a game manager.

Wilson turns the ball over.

Overlooked in much of this is how windy and wet it was. I was out of power until 10:30am PST and I live 15 miles from the CLink. One need look no further than last years Division game against the Saints where the wind completely nullified both passing attacks.

 

[Retro Rob]

Until the season's done, it's not the offseason.

Suck it Trebek!

Who said it was the offseason anyway, nimrod?

I said we have an offseason thread for offseason talk!! :awe:

 

[smackababy]

BanBot, Seattle wasn't great at turnovers, they just were great at recovering their own fumbles. They were around middle of the pack on rushing fumbles with 6, but only actually lost 2 of them. Wilson's INTs being low also helped them.

Their 5 turnovers were very uncharacteristic for the Seattle offense though.

 

[davmat787]

I saw an interesting comparison between Russell Wilson and Tom Brady on First Take this morning, that showed each of there stats for the first three seasons. The short of it is just how close they compare, Wilson has 9950 passing yard with 72 TD's and 26 INT's to Brady's 10227 / 69 / 38. These are regular season passing yards only, if you add in Wilson's other TD's and postseason stats it is even more interesting.

Obviously Wilson will not end up so close statistically in the passing only numbers, but it is very interesting to compare. I wonder if Brady was considered a game manager after his first three years? You really have to watch Wilson on a game by game basis to truly appreciate him.

Wilson
Year Yards CP% TD INT QBR
1 3118 64.1 26 10 71.7
2 3357 63.1 26 9 58.9
3 3475 63.1 20 7 62.4
T 9950 72 26

Brady
Year Yards CP% TD INT QBR
1 2843 63.9 18 12 86.5
2 3764 62.1 28 14 85.7
3 3620 60.2 23 12 85.9
T 10227 69 38



Disclosure: Seahawks homer, just thought these numbers were very interesting considering how close they are.

 

[smackababy]

I wonder if Brady was considered a game manager after his first three years? You really have to watch Wilson on a game by game basis to truly appreciate him..

Referring to Wilson as a game manager means you either don't understand what that term means, haven't watched Wilson's body of work, or have something against Wilson. A 'game manager' QB is one that is not elite of to be anything else. I mean, yeah Wilson had a bad game, but how many of those HAS he actually had? Very few. It would be like Trent Dilfer having a game where he didn't throw an INT and people saying "omg, he is an elite QB!". Yeah, occasionally QBs have outlier games.

 

[lupi]

I think what people are forgetting, is that part of the reason the chicken offense looked so bad was they never got a rythm going till late due to all of the (mostly fluke) turnovers. And yet with all of these, the cheese heads put up so few points. In many ways this will be a raven-cheatriot rematch with the ravens in this version having less quality at reciever but much better in the running backs.

 

[Homerboy]

I hate them both with undying passion.
I won't be watching the Super Bowl this year -- first time ever I think.

 

[Anubis]

i still don't understand how people can hate a sports team

 

[jayzds]

i still don't understand how people can hate a sports team

Easy. I have friends and family who are Seachicken homers...so I naturally hate them :_P

I root against them every time...only because they always like to talk...which is something I don't care for in general.

 

[RampantAndroid]

And yet for 2 it's not. Hence there's still a football playin' season goin' on here. Now STFU!

Thanks for swearing at me. This is a thread about the two teams that still have a "post season" going. For the rest of the teams it is the off season. Let's talk about the superbowl. You want to talk about who the jags hired, fine. Off season thread. I really don't care about anything right now beyond the two remaining teams.

 

[KeithTalent]

And yet for 2 it's not. Hence there's still a football playin' season goin' on here. Now STFU!

This is the Super Bowl thread, not a hiring/firing, free-agency, etc. thread.

KT

 

[smackababy]

i still don't understand how people can hate a sports team

Pretty easy when that organization and their fanbase have been continuously classless for decades, ala the Browns and the Eagles.

Most people "hate" teams like the Patriots because they are continuously doing very well. And unlike the Yankees don't have to go out and spend a ton for that success. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick and the rest of their stars weren't some kind of high profile drafts.

A lot of people also can easily hate teams with an exceptionally annoying fanbase, ala Green Bay. Literally, nobody cares about the ownership status of that team and even less care about anything else related to them. But, they are like crossfitters; they simply cannot stfu about it.

 

[zinfamous]

Pretty easy when that organization and their fanbase have been continuously classless for decades, ala the Browns and the Eagles.

Most people "hate" teams like the Patriots because they are continuously doing very well. And unlike the Yankees don't have to go out and spend a ton for that success. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick and the rest of their stars weren't some kind of high profile drafts.

A lot of people also can easily hate teams with an exceptionally annoying fanbase, ala Green Bay. Literally, nobody cares about the ownership status of that team and even less care about anything else related to them. But, they are like crossfitters; they simply cannot stfu about it.

That's awesome.

 

[SunnyD]

This is the Super Bowl thread, not a hiring/firing, free-agency, etc. thread.

KT

Funny. Every other NFL Weekly thread we've had, including the playoff threads, this wasn't an issue. Now everybody is getting their panties in a wad?

 

[smackababy]

Now everybody is getting their panties in a wad?

Hey! This isn't the "what undergarments and what is there status" thread!

 

[RampantAndroid]

Funny. Every other NFL Weekly thread we've had, including the playoff threads, this wasn't an issue. Now everybody is getting their panties in a wad?

IMO, it didn't belong in those threads either.

 

[KeithTalent]

funny. Every other nfl weekly thread we've had, including the playoff threads, this wasn't an issue. Now everybody is getting their panties in a wad?

<-- L&R is thataway.

KT

 

[lupi]

Ravens hire Trestman to replace Kubiak.

 

[davmat787]

Referring to Wilson as a game manager means you either don't understand what that term means, haven't watched Wilson's body of work, or have something against Wilson. A 'game manager' QB is one that is not elite of to be anything else. I mean, yeah Wilson had a bad game, but how many of those HAS he actually had? Very few. It would be like Trent Dilfer having a game where he didn't throw an INT and people saying "omg, he is an elite QB!". Yeah, occasionally QBs have outlier games.

Yep, the whole game manager monicker people have used on Wilson irritates the hell out me, and you are exactly right when describing the people who use it.

Since Wilson and Brady's stats are so similar for each of their first 3 years, I thought it would be interesting to see if Brady was considered a game manager by idiots as well back then.

I can't be totally objective as a Seahawks fan, but I imagine it is so damn hard to hate on Wilson as an NFL fan that titling him "as just a game manager" was one of the few ways to hate on him.

Wilson is now 10-0 against Super Bowl winning QB's, and will be the first QB to lead his team to the Superbowl twice in his first three years.

 

[cabri]

The 45-7 beating the New England Patriots laid on the Indianapolis Colts this past Sunday prompted the NFL to do something it's never done before.

In a rare, impromptu, behind-closed-doors meeting, NFL Commissioner, Roger Goodell, met with other league officials and unanimously voted to allow the Patriots to take the 2015 season off. The meeting apparently took 10 minutes.

However, even though the Patriots will not play a single regular-season down -- or take a snap in the playoffs, as well -- they will still represent the AFC in Super Bowl 50, to be played Feb. 7th, 2016 in Santa Clara, California.
...

Tongue in cheek satire

 

[cabri]

Wilson is now 10-0 against Super Bowl winning QB's, and will be the first QB to lead his team to the Superbowl twice in his first three years.

I believe Brady did this also.

He came into the league in the 00 draft and won the SB in '02 and in '03

 

[lupi]

The new narrow goal post which was rumored to go into trial during next preseason will actually be first used during the ProBowl.

read a full article on it, they'll also be moving the extra point to the 15, which kinda ruins the fake 1 point try as you'd never want to start from the 15 if going for 2.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Overlooked in much of this is how windy and wet it was. I was out of power until 10:30am PST and I live 15 miles from the CLink. One need look no further than last years Division game against the Saints where the wind completely nullified both passing attacks.

Thanks for the summary, and I can attest to the wind. I'm north of Lake Washington a little bit and while we didn't lose power the night before, my workplace did briefly, and the power was flickering all night at our place. The Puget Sound region gets some pretty insane wind storms.

 

[smackababy]

Thanks for the summary, and I can attest to the wind. I'm north of Lake Washington a little bit and while we didn't lose power the night before, my workplace did briefly, and the power was flickering all night at our place. The Puget Sound region gets some pretty insane wind storms.

The problem with that excuse is that Rodgers wasn't throwing 4 INTs. The wind didn't effect him as much, it seems. Is he just immune to wind gusts, or did they only happen on Seattle drives?