UPDATE: Provantage WILL honor their pre-order 6800 price

[artemicion]

DefRef, I hope a large fat man goes over to your house wearing a sign that says "I rape people who have an online Alias of 'DefRef'" and bends you over and sticks it to you, because obviously you, for some bizarre reason, believe that disclaimers absolves people from all moral responsibility for their actions.

Yes, let's let all retailers allow themselves to post whatever price they want to for products they have not purchased from their manufacturers yet. That'll go real well. Oh wait, make sure they have that disclaimer! That's the most important part! Now everything's ok.

And I heartily appreciate your amazing tactics for debate. Fail the bar exam because calling the bar association a bunch of kids didn't work? It really doesn't do much more than irritate people I'm afraid.

I suppose I'll have to admit to resorting to calling you immature as well, but whereas I can argue that you're points truly are inane, you, on the other hand, cling to the mere belief that disclaimers make all things ok, except for children.

What provantage did was unfair, and annoying, and everybody who was victim to it pretty much agrees except for maybe you and a handfull of others. However I sincerely doubt that anybody who did get screwed over wasn't at least a little irritated. So they didn't commit mass consumer fraud and rob us of millions of dollars. I still don't think that such consumer irritation should be allowed by the cover of some weak disclaimer. Sure, in hindsight maybe I shouldn't have ordered from them after seeing that disclaimer, but do you skip out on amusement parks because of their risk disclaimers?

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: DefRef
I can't believe that HeroOfPellinor and I are the only ones who understand what actually happened and that you kids just keep spinning your wheels in some obstinate vendetta. Get over yourselves!

Originally drooled by: user1234
First, while provavtage may legally cover their a$$es by specyfing in small print somewhere on the back page of the website that the price of pre-orders could change, this is an extremely shady business practice, because the future contract which is blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah....

I stopped reading right there because, as anyone who followed this thread from the beginning knows, the price disclaimer wasn't "in small print somewhere on the back page of the website", but it was RIGHT ON THE SHOPPING CART PAGE WHEN YOU PUT THE CARD IN THE CART!!! On the 2nd page of this thread, people were speculating that this may be a misprice and then someone posted, "Out of Stock Items: Occasionally, the price may change on an out-of-stock item due to an unexpected cost increase. If this happens, we will contact you to ask if you want to continue your order at the new price, or cancel your order.", but to the squealing brats here, this open knowledge has turned into an opportunity for them to scream about how they're being ripped off, it's a a scam, a Federal case and cause for a class action lawsuit when they haven't lost a single cent and are just behaving like spoiled children because, OMFG, they can't play Doom 3 at 1600x1200! Their pitiful lives are ruined!!!!

What babies. I'm done spanking you with your stubborn ignorance. My order is in progress and if they decide AGAIN to revoke it, oh well, that's life. I'm old enough to know that a disappointment isn't a life-threatening condition and maybe, one day, you poor little lambs will mature to the point that you'll understand this.

I don't really disaggre with, but for someone who likes to flaunt their own maturity, you sure seem to enjoy childishly taunting and insulting anyone. Sure, I think alot of people are being pretty childish about this, but the way you are reacting to it isn't any more mature. You are just as inflamatory and disrespectful as any of the people you are calling 'kids' here.

 

[DefRef]

Originally posted by: Johnbear007
I don't really disaggre with, but for someone who likes to flaunt their own maturity, you sure seem to enjoy childishly taunting and insulting anyone. Sure, I think alot of people are being pretty childish about this, but the way you are reacting to it isn't any more mature. You are just as inflamatory and disrespectful as any of the people you are calling 'kids' here.

Let's see, the guy above you posts that he wants to see me raped by a large fat man and I'M the provacateur who's being rude?!?!?!?:shocked:

What these juvenille, infantile, spoiled, whiny, simpering, desperately in need of a diaper changing and ass-whupping REFUSE to grasp is that sometimes *manure* happens and disappointments occur. Adults cope; babies cry and if you'll notice, I've been on the coping side while a whole lot of children have been crying about how unfair the world is, boo-friggedy-hoo. Puh-leeze.

Here's some Remedial Reality 101 for those too stupid to know they're stupid:

• Retailers absolutely can NOT wait until the stock is on the shelves before taking pre-orders. DUH! That's why they're PRE-ORDERS!!! Do you think that the stores taking Half-Life 2 and Halo 2 pre-orders are actually hiding them in the warehouse? (Well, you people ARE stupid enough, based on your vapid arguments.)
• If Provantage hadn't protected themselves with their disclaimer, how many of you punks would be demanding that your parents call a lawyer to sue them? Here's what that disclaimer says in short words for morons: "PNY told us that these cards would cost us a certain price and be delevered on a certain date. If they change they minds and screw us over, then we may have to pass along the price increase to you, but if you don't want to pay more, that's OK, we'll just cancel your order with our apologies. Sorry it didn't work out." If you want to ignore that they ARE legally-protected by that disclaimer, go ahead, but you're still WRONG!
• Based on Valve Software's unrealistic promises to PC Gamer than they would absolutely, positively be shipping Half-Life 2 on Sept. 30, 2003, I spent over $1000 building a totally new PC in Mid-August in preparation only to discover that Gabe Newell decided that eating and counting the millions ATI bribed Valve with - how many suckers rushed to buy ATI cards to get the free HL2? Chumps. - leaving me with a nice PC that is gonna need another $350 of video upgrades. Do I get to sue or do I deal with it? (I know what you belligerent twerps would do.)

As Denis Leary says, "Life sucks. Wear a f***ing helmet.", but I'll bet most of your already wear protective headgear around the house, seeing what spazs you are.

Most people know when to quit when they've gotten schooled, but it seems the children of ATHD feel the need to scream even louder to drown out the mean words of the grown-ups who won't let them believe what they want to about Evil Corporations depriving them what they want, when they want it, the way they want it. Wah.

There's no Easter Bunny either.

 

[artemicion]

Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: Johnbear007
I don't really disaggre with, but for someone who likes to flaunt their own maturity, you sure seem to enjoy childishly taunting and insulting anyone. Sure, I think alot of people are being pretty childish about this, but the way you are reacting to it isn't any more mature. You are just as inflamatory and disrespectful as any of the people you are calling 'kids' here.

Let's see, the guy above you posts that he wants to see me raped by a large fat man and I'M the provacateur who's being rude?!?!?!?:shocked:

What these juvenille, infantile, spoiled, whiny, simpering, desperately in need of a diaper changing and ass-whupping REFUSE to grasp is that sometimes *manure* happens and disappointments occur. Adults cope; babies cry and if you'll notice, I've been on the coping side while a whole lot of children have been crying about how unfair the world is, boo-friggedy-hoo. Puh-leeze.

Here's some Remedial Reality 101 for those too stupid to know they're stupid:

• Retailers absolutely can NOT wait until the stock is on the shelves before taking pre-orders. DUH! That's why they're PRE-ORDERS!!! Do you think that the stores taking Half-Life 2 and Halo 2 pre-orders are actually hiding them in the warehouse? (Well, you people ARE stupid enough, based on your vapid arguments.)
• If Provantage hadn't protected themselves with their disclaimer, how many of you punks would be demanding that your parents call a lawyer to sue them? Here's what that disclaimer says in short words for morons: "PNY told us that these cards would cost us a certain price and be delevered on a certain date. If they change they minds and screw us over, then we may have to pass along the price increase to you, but if you don't want to pay more, that's OK, we'll just cancel your order with our apologies. Sorry it didn't work out." If you want to ignore that they ARE legally-protected by that disclaimer, go ahead, but you're still WRONG!
• Based on Valve Software's unrealistic promises to PC Gamer than they would absolutely, positively be shipping Half-Life 2 on Sept. 30, 2003, I spent over $1000 building a totally new PC in Mid-August in preparation only to discover that Gabe Newell decided that eating and counting the millions ATI bribed Valve with - how many suckers rushed to buy ATI cards to get the free HL2? Chumps. - leaving me with a nice PC that is gonna need another $350 of video upgrades. Do I get to sue or do I deal with it? (I know what you belligerent twerps would do.)

As Denis Leary says, "Life sucks. Wear a f***ing helmet.", but I'll bet most of your already wear protective headgear around the house, seeing what spazs you are.

Most people know when to quit when they've gotten schooled, but it seems the children of ATHD feel the need to scream even louder to drown out the mean words of the grown-ups who won't let them believe what they want to about Evil Corporations depriving them what they want, when they want it, the way they want it. Wah.

There's no Easter Bunny either.

Would you care to respond to my actual arguments next time?

 

[user1234]

DefRef are you intentionally trying to prove you're a moron, or you just can't help it ?
Do you even read other people's argument past the first few lines, because it seems you keep arguing the same stupid point over and over, although we already gave you a counter argument which you ignore a long time ago: a disclaimer does not make abusive practices acceptable.

And you seem to be stuck on your PNY price theory, do you have any evidence to that effect ? when will you realize that even provantage meant it to be an obvious white lie, which just to avoid the embrassement of admitting what they did was wrong ?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: user1234

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: user1234
Haven't you figured out yet why they increased the price ? because they've been getting a large number of orders, and realized that demand is so high, there is no need for them to sell at a lower profit margin, they could increase the price to $450 or more and still get more than enough buyers.

Hmm. Gee. I don't know, but maybe, just maybe, PNY saw most of their other vendors and lots of EBayers selling this for huge margins and, oh, I don't know, decided they would the ones instead to reap the reward for the high demand.

Or maybe you're right and all the vendors getting this card from PNY--who was nice enough to let them have all the profit margin--changed their minds at the last minute. Then, in pure diabolical fashion, all got together and came up with the same story. :roll:

Once you're old enough to have a job, you'll understand that things like this happen in business. I'm sure you'll just love some whiny brat jumping all over you for it too.

Get it through your head that if PNY would have raised the wholesale price, they would invariable have to raise the msrp, or do you think best-buy, compusa and fry's which have continued to sell at the unchanged msrp price are ok with giving away their profit margin ?

Clearly...CLEARLY, you have zero concept of economics or business management. That's ridiculously obvious now and you should be utterly embarassed.

What the manufacturer charges it's vendors and MSRP are entirly unrelated. People pay over MSRP all the time for cars that are in high demand. The cost to the vendors fluctuates as production cost or demand decrease or increase.

Also, why would Newegg sell for lower prices than Best Buy? My gosh, I guess they are "ok with giving away their profit margin". Quick, you financial wizard, call them up and explain your fascinating theories to them. :roll:

It's clear I'm arguing with either a 15 year old or a 30 year old living with his parents, so I'll not dignify any more of your responses with a reply.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: artemicion
DefRef, I hope a large fat man goes over to your house wearing a sign that says "I rape people who have an online Alias of 'DefRef'" and bends you over and sticks it to you, because obviously you, for some bizarre reason, believe that disclaimers absolves people from all moral responsibility for their actions.

That was too far.

Yes, let's let all retailers allow themselves to post whatever price they want to for products they have not purchased from their manufacturers yet. That'll go real well. Oh wait, make sure they have that disclaimer! That's the most important part! Now everything's ok.

So you thought you were getting a certain price from Provantage and placed a preorder and that price was changed on you. Now, imagine you are Provantage and you place a preorder with PNY at a certain price and that price changes on you. Starting to get it?
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