Update:Two brothers won $5 M in NY Lottery scratchers and wait 6 years to claim it...

Anonemous

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Suspicious or not? Would you wait 6 years to get affairs in order or for original ticket owner to croak and store camera videos to be erased?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49455202/#.UH90EcXA98E

SYRACUSE, N.Y. — Two brothers from central New York have claimed a $5 million lottery prize for a scratch-off ticket they bought at their parents' Syracuse store six years ago, state officials said.
Andy Ashkar, 34, of Camillus, and Nayel Ashkar, 36, of Cicero, came forward March 1, just 11 days before the top prize in the "$500,000,000 Extravaganza" scratch-off game would have expired, New York Lottery said.
Andy Ashkar said he bought the ticket at his parents' convenience store in Syracuse in 2006 and decided to share the winnings with his brother, officials said.
The agency said the younger brother said he waited so long to claim his prize because he was concerned the windfall could "negatively influence" his life if he didn't plan properly before being publicly introduced as the winner. Andy Ashkar also told lottery officials that he also didn't want the windfall to influence his engagement and subsequent marriage.
Calls to phone numbers listed for the Ashkar brothers went unanswered Wednesday morning.
Nayel Ashkar's wife, Sara, told The Post-Standard of Syracuse on Tuesday that news of the winnings was spreading fast, with family and friends calling to express their surprise and excitement.
"It's crazy," she said. "Hard to believe. It's still sinking in."
The brothers' mother, Wasa Ashkar, said her husband, Neyef, sold the winning ticket to Andy at the couple's Green Ale Market, but she couldn't remember exactly when. She said she and her husband were Palestinians from Jerusalem who immigrated to the United States nearly 40 years ago and have owned the store for 12 years.
"I'm happy. Of course I'm happy," she told The Associated Press over the phone before ending the conversation because she was busy with customers Wednesday morning.
Lottery spokeswoman Carolyn Hapeman said the brothers claimed their prize at the agency's Schenectady headquarters on March 1. Unlike winning tickets for games such as Lotto and Mega Million that expire in a year, tickets for scratch-off games expire a year after a game is retired. The Extravaganza game was retired on March 12, 2011, Hapeman said.
As is routine whenever a winner is related to the owner of the store that sold the ticket, the agency conducted an investigation. The inquiry determined Ashkar's scratch-off ticket was bought legitimately, Hapeman said.
The Ashkar brothers, both employed as managers at separate central New York auto dealerships, will be introduced at a news conference at a later date, the lottery spokeswoman said.

Updated: They scammed some dude into giving up their ticket for $4,000.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/1...ery-ticket-sold-at-family-store-charged-with/
 
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SSSnail

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Wait, why would it be suspicious whether they bought the ticket at their parents' store or not?
 

rh71

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"original owner to croak?" Why wouldn't the original owner have claimed it?

Personally I'd cash that in asap because there's more uncertainty about not knowing if it's valid to begin with especially with those circumstances. I'd need to know. Which is probably why you're questioning it, but the authorities did an investigation.
 

dighn

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Wait, why would it be suspicious whether they bought the ticket at their parents' store or not?

store owners win lotteries much more often than normal, and there have been many documented cases of fraud. combined with the extremely unusual timing, it seems pretty suspicious.

but maybe it is legit. whatever.
 

phobsi

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Definitely fishy. I thought you could always create a corp or something to shield your identity. If they weren't ready they could have dropped it in a savings account to accrue interest until they had a plan.
 

Anonemous

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"original owner to croak?" Why wouldn't the original owner have claimed it?

Personally I'd cash that in asap because there's more uncertainty about not knowing if it's valid to begin with especially with those circumstances. I'd need to know. Which is probably why you're questioning it, but the authorities did an investigation.

I think either Dateline or 20/20 did a story where they showed that store owners would scan the tickets of customers of winners and either told them that they lost or they won a much smaller amount. So one possible scenario could've been that an elderly/immigrant customer won and the brothers somehow tricked/stole the ticket from them. That could explain why they waited so long to turn in the ticket. Basically waiting 5-6 years, the original customer would've long forgotten the ticket (or died) or store camera tapes would've been unavailable after so long.
 

KLin

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I think either Dateline or 20/20 did a story where they showed that store owners would scan the tickets of customers of winners and either told them that they lost or they won a much smaller amount. So one possible scenario could've been that an elderly/immigrant customer won and the brothers somehow tricked/stole the ticket from them. That could explain why they waited so long to turn in the ticket. Basically waiting 5-6 years, the original customer would've long forgotten the ticket (or died) or store camera tapes would've been unavailable after so long.

Easiest way to combat this is sign the back of any ticket you think is a winner.
 

waggy

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I think either Dateline or 20/20 did a story where they showed that store owners would scan the tickets of customers of winners and either told them that they lost or they won a much smaller amount. So one possible scenario could've been that an elderly/immigrant customer won and the brothers somehow tricked/stole the ticket from them. That could explain why they waited so long to turn in the ticket. Basically waiting 5-6 years, the original customer would've long forgotten the ticket (or died) or store camera tapes would've been unavailable after so long.

that's what i was going to say.
 

dawp

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isn't there a time limit on how long you can wait before claiming your winnings? around here the lotto is something like 6 mo. if I remember right.
 

trmiv

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you have a limited about of time to claim your winnings before you lose it. 6 years seems a little long.

It says it expires a year after the game is retired. Some scratch-offs can last awhile, like this one apparently.
 

runzwithsizorz

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" he also didn't want the windfall to influence his engagement and subsequent marriage."

LOL! Oh yeah right. Honey I just won a million dollars.
That's it, THE MARRIAGE IS OFF!
 

kranky

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I think something smells rotten about this deal.

I don't play the lottery myself but there's a store nearby that does a big business on lottery tickets. I can see how easily a seller could convince someone that a ticket only won a small amount when it was actually a big winner. Many of the buyers are elderly and trusting. I have seen people ask the clerk if it was a winner because they couldn't read the ticket clearly. An unscrupulous clerk could tell them anything.

I wonder if the suggestion of signing the back of every ticket before trying to cash it in would actually solve the problem. Or maybe relatives of sellers should only get 1 week to claim any prizes.

The current system makes it too easy for a seller to take advantage of people, and since relatives of sellers seem to be unbelievably lucky, perhaps that's an indication that some changes should be made.
 

waggy

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I think something smells rotten about this deal.

I don't play the lottery myself but there's a store nearby that does a big business on lottery tickets. I can see how easily a seller could convince someone that a ticket only won a small amount when it was actually a big winner. Many of the buyers are elderly and trusting. I have seen people ask the clerk if it was a winner because they couldn't read the ticket clearly. An unscrupulous clerk could tell them anything.

I wonder if the suggestion of signing the back of every ticket before trying to cash it in would actually solve the problem. Or maybe relatives of sellers should only get 1 week to claim any prizes.

The current system makes it too easy for a seller to take advantage of people, and since relatives of sellers seem to be unbelievably lucky, perhaps that's an indication that some changes should be made.

Its actually quite common.

https://www.google.com/search?q=lotto+ticket+scam+by+store&rlz=1C1AVSX_enUS402US403&oq=lotto+ticket+scam+by+store&sugexp=chrome,mod=0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=lotto+ticket+scam+by+store&hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1C1AVSX_enUS402US403&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ei=rgiAUIOGGoiEyAG7p4HoDg&ved=0CAwQ_AUoAw&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=194b55d752dab4e7&bpcl=35440803&biw=1920&bih=947


a bunch of places have gotten busted for it.

i wouldn't be suprised if this is what happened.
 

jme5343

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I know someone that has been busted. That's exactly what they would do, scan it, say it wasn't a winner and then keep it for someone they know to cash in later. The state did a sting and they got caught.
 

SagaLore

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I think either Dateline or 20/20 did a story where they showed that store owners would scan the tickets of customers of winners and either told them that they lost or they won a much smaller amount. So one possible scenario could've been that an elderly/immigrant customer won and the brothers somehow tricked/stole the ticket from them. That could explain why they waited so long to turn in the ticket. Basically waiting 5-6 years, the original customer would've long forgotten the ticket (or died) or store camera tapes would've been unavailable after so long.

The more common "fraud" is that each roll of tickets has a guaranteed amount of winnings, so the owners will keep track if anybody has won or not, and when the roll of tickets gets close to running out they will buy the rest themselves.

I personally think there needs to be a law that store owners and their immediate family members cannot buy their own tickets.
 

kranky

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The more common "fraud" is that each roll of tickets has a guaranteed amount of winnings, so the owners will keep track if anybody has won or not, and when the roll of tickets gets close to running out they will buy the rest themselves.

I personally think there needs to be a law that store owners and their immediate family members cannot buy their own tickets.

I don't know how that would even be enforceable.

I would be OK with them monitoring whether the remainder of roll is likely to have winners left. At least they are buying tickets with no guarantee.

I doubt the lottery commissions are going to start warning customers about lottery clerks lying about whether a ticket is a winner, since it would only discourage sales. There needs to be a way for people to verify for themselves if a ticket is a winner without having to go to a clerk.
 
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