I completely understand and agree with your viewpoint here, and I wasn't talking actually about your opinion rather than some other Western analysts.No I want balance. My point is not that I think the Iranians are good but that America overall tends to work in black and white which is terrible. Because of that we have never even made much diplomatic talk with the Iranians. We sold them weapons even when we were not talking to them. So what I want is not to support them over Sunni countries but to stop treating them as black enemies and interact with them as equally as we do with the Sunni countries. As for the article that is why I put out some cautious words because I could tell the article was out there as far as not being realistic or relative but I mentioned it because we have lots of articles of the same shit but from the other side so I thought it was a viewpoint that was good to read for balance.
Why they would do that, it would be their worst decision ever made in their entire history.This was the article I thought I put up with that comment. Plus I do not want the Iranians to own that area but there are numerous independent and diverse sects in that area that the Saudi government is oppressing. Fact is that the Southwest Saudi Arabian areas need to have their own countries along with the North Yemen communities. The North Yemen dictator conquering South Yemen just because he could and also to add to his power was in the long run just fucking terrible for everyone.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...-foray-into-yemen/+&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Very few Americans base their vote in any way on US policy towards Israel and the ones who do and weren't hard core republican voters anyway live in overwhelmingly blue states for the most part.
I doubt it will have a meaningful impact on the presidential election. You have the evangelicals who love Israel who weren't going to vote for a Democrat anyway and then you have the orthodox who usually live in blue states.
People just don't care about Israel that much. That's probably something Israel should keep in mind too, haha.
I think you're wrong about that.
I lived in the Southeast on and off for decades. Many Democratic voters down here are blue collar Baptists. There are tons of them. You can't throw down here without hitting a Baptist church. I could elaborate why they vote but don't have the time atm.
I believe if Obama pushes the Israel thing too far he's going to lose some of these voters. It won't really be him that loses them. he ain't running. But he may create a problem for the Democratic candidates still involved in elections.
Fern
haha i may have taken a few liberties with my rhetoric, but the general gist of what i would like to convey is as follows:
israel as it stands today is an abomination that perpetuates war and death and terrorism on a global scale. it is probably the single greatest cause of human strife in the last quarter century and it is only getting worse. israel's government, duly elected by the racist israeli people, has stated that it has no intention of giving statehood to the people they have displaced, nor does it plan to integrate them into its own society. they cannot vote, they are stateless refugees living behind a huge wall in a state that openly states its intention to irradicate them. its own leader has admitted to perpetuating a massive campaign of delay and disinformation and calling it a 'peace process', with his own stated goal being the exact opposite of what he told the world community for years. the more i write, the worse it sounds to me and i could go on, and on, and on
the state must be forced to give up its racist character or be occupied by the united states and forced to comply. we will dismantle their nation like we did the japanese, except it will be bloodless and quick. however much israel is capable of controlling us, we are even moreso capable of controlling it
i dont understand why israel isnt our bitch. they should rightfully do whatever our president asks them. they owe us their very existence, they owe us their lives and look how they act. like they own us. i anxiously await obama's decision on how to deal with these insolent israelis
Please stop this warhawk talk before you cause more US sailors to lose their lives in an unwinnable fight against Israel's military might.
I think you're wrong about that.
I lived in the Southeast on and off for decades. Many Democratic voters down here are blue collar Baptists. There are tons of them. You can't throw down here without hitting a Baptist church. I could elaborate why they vote but don't have the time atm.
I believe if Obama pushes the Israel thing too far he's going to lose some of these voters. It won't really be him that loses them. he ain't running. But he may create a problem for the Democratic candidates still involved in elections.
Fern
OP is a lunatic. Hezbollah is still a terrorist organization according to the United States, they're just not likely to threaten the US in the next year.
Also, LOL if you think NATO/UN troops will be doing anything.
US Vetoes of Resolutions Against Israel, 1972-2011.
- condemned Israels attack against Southern against southern Lebanon and Syria
- affirmed the rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections
- condemned Israels air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians
- called for self-determination of Palestinian people
- deplored Israels altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognized as an international city by most world nations and the United Nations
- affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people
- endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people
- demanded Israels withdrawal from the Golan Heights
- condemned Israels mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva convention protocols of civilized nations
- condemned an Israeli soldier who shot eleven Moslem worshippers at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount near Al-Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem
- urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon
- urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Beirut
- urged cutoff of economic aid to Israel if it refused to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon
- condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied territories in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace
- deplores Israels brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urges its withdrawal
- condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli Iron Fist policy of repression
- denounced Israels violation of human rights in the occupied territories
- deplored Israels violence in southern Lebanon
- deplored Israels activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem that threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites
- condemned Israels hijacking of a Libyan passenger airplane
- deplored Israels attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon
- called on Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian intifada that violated the rights of occupied Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions, and to formalize a leading role for the United Nations in future peace negotiations
- urged Israel to accept back deported Palestinians, condemned Israels shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention, and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices
- condemned Israels incursion into Lebanon
- deplored Israels commando raids on Lebanon
- deplored Israels repression of the Palestinian intifada and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians
- deplored Israels violation of the human rights of the Palestinians
- demanded that Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israels crackdown on the Palestinian intifada
- called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli-occupied lands
- confirmed that the expropriation of land by Israel, the occupying power, in East Jerusalem was invalid, and called upon the Government of Israel to rescind the expropriation orders and refrain from such action in the future.
- called on Israel to abide scrupulously by its legal obligations and responsibilities under the 1949 Geneva Convention and to refrain from its policy of settlement expansion which alter facts on the ground pre-empting final status negotiations, and have negative implications for the Middle East Peace Process;
- demanded that Israel immediately cease construction of the Jabal Abu Ghneim settlement in East Jerusalem as well as other Israeli settlement activities in the occupied territories.
- requested an unarmed UN Observer force to be sent to the West Bank to help protect Palestinian civilians.
- requested the sending of a human rights monitoring force to the Occupied Territories and condemned all acts of terror, extra-judiciary killing, excessive use of force and house demolitions. Also expressed it determination to contribute to ending the violence and to prompting dialogue between Israeli and Palestinian sides.
- condemned the killing by the Israeli occupying forces of
several UN employees and demanded that Israel, complied fully with the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War and refrained from the excessive and disproportionate use of force in the Occupied Palestinian Territory;- demanded that Israel ceased threats to deport or harm Yasser Arafat, the elected President of the Palestinian Authority;
- decides that the construction by Israel, the occupying Power, of a wall in the Occupied Territories departing from the armistice line of 1949 is illegal under relevant provisions of international law and must be ceased and reversed;
- condemned Israel for the extra-judicial executions that killed Sheikh Ahmed Yassin along with six other Palestinians outside a mosque in Gaza City and calls for a complete cessation of extra-judicial executions by Israel
- condemned the military incursion into Gaza and demanded the immediate cessation of all military operations in the area of Northern Gaza and the withdrawal of the Israeli occupying forces from that area;
- condemned all acts of violence, terror and destruction during the Gaza conflict including rocket attacks by Hamas into Israel and the military assault being carried out by Israel.
- called upon the Palestinian Authority to take immediate and sustained action to bring an end to violence, including the firing of rockets on Israeli territory. Called upon Israel to immediately cease its military operations within Gaza and to immediately withdraw its forces to to positions prior to 28 June 2006, and expressed grave concern about the dire humanitarian situation of the Palestinian people.
- declared Israeli settlements in Palestinian territories were illegal and a major obstacle to the achievement of a just, lasting and comprehensive peace.
UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-2011.
Note that Israel is in VIOLATION of many of these Resolutions.
- Resolution 106: condemns Israel for Gaza raid
- Resolution 111: condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people
- Resolution 127: recommends Israel suspend its no-mans zone in Jerusalem
- Resolution 162: urges Israel to comply with UN decisions
- Resolution 171: determines flagrant violations by Israel in its attack on Syria
- Resolution 228: censures Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control
- Resolution 237: urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees
- Resolution 248: condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan
- Resolution 250: calls on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem
- Resolution 251: deeply deplores Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250″
- Resolution 252: declares invalid Israels acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital
- Resolution 256: condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant violation
- Resolution 259: deplores Israels refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation
- Resolution 262: condemns Israel for attack on Beirut airport
- Resolution 265: condemns Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan
- Resolution 267: censures Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem
- Resolution 270: condemns Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon
- Resolution 271: condemns Israels failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem
- Resolution 279: demands withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon
- Resolution 280: condemns Israelis attacks against Lebanon
- Resolution 285: demands immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon
- Resolution 298: deplores Israels changing of the status of Jerusalem
- Resolution 313: demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon
- Resolution 316: condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon
- Resolution 317: deplores Israels refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon
- Resolution 332: condemns Israels repeated attacks against Lebanon
- Resolution 337: condemns Israel for violating Lebanons sovereignty
- Resolution 347: condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon
- Resolution 425: calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon
- Resolution 427: calls on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon
- Resolution 444: deplores Israels lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces
- Resolution 446: determines that Israeli settlements are a serious obstruction to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
- Resolution 450: calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon
- Resolution 452: calls on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories
- Resolution 465: deplores Israels settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israels settlements program
- Resolution 467: strongly deplores Israels military intervention in Lebanon
- Resolution 468: calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return
- Resolution 469: strongly deplores Israels failure to observe the councils order not to deport Palestinians
- Resolution 471: expresses deep concern at Israels failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
- Resolution 476: reiterates that Israels claims to Jerusalem are null and void
- Resolution 478: censures (Israel) in the strongest terms for its claim to Jerusalem in its Basic Law
- Resolution 484: declares it imperative that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors
- Resolution 487: strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraqs nuclear facility
- Resolution 497: decides that Israels annexation of Syrias Golan Heights is null and void and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith
- Resolution 498: calls on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon
- Resolution 501: calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops
- Resolution 509: demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon
- Resolution 515: demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in
- Resolution 517: censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon
- Resolution 518: demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon
- Resolution 520: condemns Israels attack into West Beirut
- Resolution 573: condemns Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
- Resolution 587: takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw
- Resolution 592: strongly deplores the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops
- Resolution 605: strongly deplores Israels policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
- Resolution 607: calls on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
- Resolution 608: deeply regrets that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians
- Resolution 636: deeply regrets Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
- Resolution 641: deplores Israels continuing deportation of Palestinians
- Resolution 672: condemns Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
- Resolution 673: deplores Israels refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
- Resolution 681: deplores Israels resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
- Resolution 694: deplores Israels deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
- Resolution 726: strongly condemns Israels deportation of Palestinians
- Resolution 799: strongly condemns Israels deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.
- Resolution 803:
- Resolution 830:
- Resolution 852:
- Resolution 887:
- Resolution 895:
- Resolution 904:
- Resolution 1039:
- Resolution 1052:
- Resolution 1057 :
- Resolution 1068:
- Resolution 1073:
- Resolution 1081:
- Resolution 1095:
- Resolution 1109:
- Resolution 1122:
- Resolution 1139:
- Resolution 1151:
- Resolution 1169:
- Resolution 1188:
- Resolution 1211:
- Resolution 1223:
- Resolution 1243:
- Resolution 1254:
- Resolution 1276:
- Resolution 1288:
- Resolution 1300:
- Resolution 1310:
- Resolution 1322: ..Condemned acts of violence especially the excessive use of force against Palestinians, called on the occupying Power Israel, to abide by its legal obligations and stressed the importance of establishing a mechanism for a speedy and objective inquiry into the provocation carried out at out at Al-Haram Al-Sharif when Arial Sharon visited the Temple Mount and to the subsequent violence resulting in over 80 Palestinian deaths and many other casualties. The US threatened to veto the original version of this resolution and managed to get all mention of Israel removed from the final version.
- Resolution 1328:
- Resolution 1337:
- Resolution 1351:
- Resolution 1559: called upon Lebanon to establish its sovereignty over all of its land and called upon Syria to end their military presence in Lebanon by withdrawing its forces and to cease intervening in internal Lebanese politics. The resolution also called on all Lebanese militias to disband.
- Resolution 1583: calls on Lebanon to assert full control over its border with Israel. It also states that the Council has recognized the Blue Line as valid for the purpose of confirming Israels withdrawal pursuant to resolution 425.
- Resolution 1648: renewed the mandate of United Nations Disengagement Observer Force until 30 June 2006.
- Resolution 1701: called for the full cessation of hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah.
- Resolution 1860: called for the full cessation of war between Israel and Hamas.
- Resolution 1884: expressed deep concern over violations of resolution 1701 and called on all parties to maintain the de-militarized zone between between the Blue Line and the Litani River
Bibi is enforcing literal apartheid.
People of Najran & Gizan cities in the far southern part are well known to be in close ties with Yemen, but calling for independence? This is something never heard of before, and I do work actually with few Shiites from there.
Palestinians can vote, apartheid not found.
Extreme exaggerations do not help your cause.
Fern
just posted an update. mcain is threatening to 'defund the UN' if this goes down but it looks like Obama might make an all out push and allow the ICC and UN to possibly step in and force a two state solution.
uh oh Israel, guess you shouldn't have kept voting in a bigot?
just posted an update. mcain is threatening to 'defund the UN' if this goes down but it looks like Obama might make an all out push and allow the ICC and UN to possibly step in and force a two state solution.
uh oh israel, guess you shouldn't have kept voting in a bigot?
This is good for two reasons. First, it's nice to see the US finally (hopefully?) coming around to a better position on the issue for both us and Israel. It's time to stop enabling them on this issue.
Second, it's pretty satisfying to watch Obama put the screws to Netanyahu.
And that is why Obama is becoming more & more of a failure along with his hooligan cheerleaders,
turning screws on leaders for personal/team satisfaction in the middle east is a disastrous mentality,
but just like Bush, Obama hasn't learned this either and the people end up suffering, while something worse rears its head.
You should read better. I would not support putting the screws to Netanyahu if I thought the overall policy was bad.
In this case it looks like we're putting forward a better policy and it has the added benefit of putting Netanyahu in his place. If we're lucky this means we get better policy AND we remind our good friend Bibi of his place in the world.
What better policy?
Holding Israel accountable and letting the Palestinians have a free pass?
Second, it's pretty satisfying to watch Obama put the screws to Netanyahu.
anybody who isnt a brainwashed american jew knows everything im saying is 100% true. you dont realize it but you are like those stupid people in north korea who sing songs about how kim jong un runs faster than a tiger. you are that brainwashed