[UPDATED]Dell Home: Dell 1900FP LCD $725 free shipping!

[linster]

A little off topic, but is anyone with the Samsung 191T or the 1900FP running Win XP SP1 with ClearType enabled? If so, how does it look? The reason I'm asking is because I have a Dell 1800FP at work at it doesn't look as good as my Planar 17.4 or my VAIO laptop LCD with ClearType enabled. It turns out that the 1800FP has the more rarer BGR striping instead of the more common RGB striping. More info about ClearType and pixel striping is here. This may be the reason that it doesn't look as good, even if I tune ClearType to the BGR striping on the 1800FP. I'm curious to see if the 191T or the 1900FP follows the same striping as the 1800FP.

 

[Staples]

Originally posted by: hongman
Hi Schneids,
On another note, I know that the 191T has the pivot feature and this 1900FP doesn't, but are there any other adjustment features the 191T has? On the Dell, all I can do is change the viewing angle vertically. Does the 191T offer any horizontal angle adjustments, or height adjustments?

The Dell can tilt? I did you have to adjust screws in the back for that? I would like to have tilted mine down a little but I don't see how you do it.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: linster
A little off topic, but is anyone with the Samsung 191T or the 1900FP running Win XP SP1 with ClearType enabled? If so, how does it look? The reason I'm asking is because I have a Dell 1800FP at work at it doesn't look as good as my Planar 17.4 or my VAIO laptop LCD with ClearType enabled. It turns out that the 1800FP has the more rarer BGR striping instead of the more common RGB striping. More info about ClearType and pixel striping is here. This may be the reason that it doesn't look as good, even if I tune ClearType to the BGR striping on the 1800FP. I'm curious to see if the 191T or the 1900FP follows the same striping as the 1800FP.

I would bet the 1900fp and Samsung will look better since typically samsung panels use rgb striping - the 1800FP is an LG/Phillips panel.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: Schnieds
Hey all,

I just got a Dell 1900FP. I have the Planar 191M and I am trying to decide which one I want to return to Dell. At first, I noticed some ghosting on the 1900FP, however after letting the monitor warm up for a while it doesn't seem to be a problem. The 1900FP definately looks better astectically, however I would take a better picture over better astetics, so the verdict is still out.

Do any of you that have the 1900FP (Samsung 191T) have problems with black text on a white background? At time text on a white background seems to have a redish haze around it, something I didn't see on the Planar... Has anyone else experienced this problem?

Did you happen to use the "auto" setup feature to see if this condition changed at all? Were you running yours with an analog connection or the DVI connection? Which video card were you using? 16M colors or 32M colors? It would be interesting to see what your inputs are to determine if you could "localize" the issue in an attempt to resolve it through your input source. Then again, you may have gotten a bum monitor. The Samsung 191T that I viewed over at ChumpUSA was wonderful in the text area. Since I deal with text 80% of the time, that seems to be the area that I'm most critical of.

 

[Schnieds]

Originally posted by: wje

Did you happen to use the "auto" setup feature to see if this condition changed at all? Were you running yours with an analog connection or the DVI connection? Which video card were you using? 16M colors or 32M colors? It would be interesting to see what your inputs are to determine if you could "localize" the issue in an attempt to resolve it through your input source. Then again, you may have gotten a bum monitor. The Samsung 191T that I viewed over at ChumpUSA was wonderful in the text area. Since I deal with text 80% of the time, that seems to be the area that I'm most critical of.

I have used the auto setup feature a few times as well as using the auto pixel clock / phase adjuster... I have a feeling that they are one in the same though.

I am using the DVI port on a PNY GF4 4200. I have heard that they don't produce very good 2D quality, but for now that's the best I got.

32M colors. I also just switched to 16M to see if it makes a difference, but there is no difference.

A good example of what I am talking about is the Message Text buttons when replying to and Anandtech post. They are grey buttons with blue text. on some of the buttons there is a red haze bleeding off of the text onto the button. This behaviour doesn't appear all of the time. For instance the text that I am typing now looks perfect, but if I open Outlook Express and read through some news groups the bleeding is very prevalent.

Any ideas?

I did a good deal of ghost testing last night (I love being able to write off playing games as "testing".) I played a bunch of UT2003, RTCW, and Jedi Knight. When I first opened the monitor yesterday and started playing with it I noticed some definate ghosting. However, I left it on for a few hours last night before testing and there wasn't any ghosting to be had.

So far it is inconclusive as to whether the Planar or the Samsung is better.... I will keep posting with any problems and additional findings.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: Schnieds

Originally posted by: wje

Did you happen to use the "auto" setup feature to see if this condition changed at all? Were you running yours with an analog connection or the DVI connection? Which video card were you using? 16M colors or 32M colors? It would be interesting to see what your inputs are to determine if you could "localize" the issue in an attempt to resolve it through your input source. Then again, you may have gotten a bum monitor. The Samsung 191T that I viewed over at ChumpUSA was wonderful in the text area. Since I deal with text 80% of the time, that seems to be the area that I'm most critical of.

I have used the auto setup feature a few times as well as using the auto pixel clock / phase adjuster... I have a feeling that they are one in the same though.

I am using the DVI port on a PNY GF4 4200. I have heard that they don't produce very good 2D quality, but for now that's the best I got.

32M colors. I also just switched to 16M to see if it makes a difference, but there is no difference.

A good example of what I am talking about is the Message Text buttons when replying to and Anandtech post. They are grey buttons with blue text. on some of the buttons there is a red haze bleeding off of the text onto the button. This behaviour doesn't appear all of the time. For instance the text that I am typing now looks perfect, but if I open Outlook Express and read through some news groups the bleeding is very prevalent.

Any ideas?

I did a good deal of ghost testing last night (I love being able to write off playing games as "testing".) I played a bunch of UT2003, RTCW, and Jedi Knight. When I first opened the monitor yesterday and started playing with it I noticed some definate ghosting. However, I left it on for a few hours last night before testing and there wasn't any ghosting to be had.

So far it is inconclusive as to whether the Planar or the Samsung is better.... I will keep posting with any problems and additional findings.

With my Planar, I could detect a little bleeding while using a Ti4200 board with the DVI connection. Maybe, this is the culprit? I've also had the chance to use a Radeon 9000 Pro w/DVI connection and it seemed to clean up the issue quite a bit. However, overall, the 2D on the Ti4200 is actually quite good - and I can't tell the difference between that and the Radeon 9000 card. I think Nvidia has really improved their 2D which is really apparent with the GeForce 4 cards that are out. Have you tried using the analog cable to see if the bleeding is still present?

 

[Schnieds]

Originally posted by: wje


With my Planar, I could detect a little bleeding while using a Ti4200 board with the DVI connection. Maybe, this is the culprit? I've also had the chance to use a Radeon 9000 Pro w/DVI connection and it seemed to clean up the issue quite a bit. However, overall, the 2D on the Ti4200 is actually quite good - and I can't tell the difference between that and the Radeon 9000 card. I think Nvidia has really improved their 2D which is really apparent with the GeForce 4 cards that are out. Have you tried using the analog cable to see if the bleeding is still present?

Hmmm... good suggestion. I will plug that bad-boy in analog style tonight. I wish that I had a dual DVI card (can anyone say Parhelia?) so I could test both at once and really be able to compare apples to apples.

I was really suprised with the initial ghosting of the 1900FP, which worries me, but now it seems to be all better. The picture is really nice... guess I need to do some more testing to better the LCD experience for another (at least that's what I am telling my wife. =)

 

[hongman]

Hi Staples,

On my 1900FP at least, the monitor portion is joined to the base via a rotating joint, so I can pivot the monitor up and down. Should have the same thing on yours. maybe it's a little stuck or something.

 

[roncarter]

what does "bleeding" mean

 

[Schnieds]

Originally posted by: roncarter
what does "bleeding" mean

I am personally referring to black text on a white background having a sort of red haze around it. It looks as if the black color of the text is bleeding onto the white background. The text is the only area that I have noticed this phenomenon on the 1900FP, and only on random text. The two main places where I see it occuring are listed a few posts above...

 

[Necrocool]

After a LONG wait mine finally came. It's bright, way brighter than my sony E200 and even G400. There was one dead pixel in green, but it became alive after a while :0 ... No rotation pivot on this one... well... ClearType works bad when rotated anyways... thumbs up for this nice display!

 

[Fant]

Yeah I noticed cleartype looks funny when rotated too...

 

[T2T III]

[Pimping my sale]

If anyone is interested in purchasing a new (and sealed) Dell 1900FP monitor, I have one for sale in the following thread:

My Dell 1900FP Monitor - New and Still Sealed

[/Pimping my sale]

 

[Fant]

Why dont you just put it on ebay if you want to sell it? I like how you will include a 10% off coupon that is available to everyone.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: Fant
Why dont you just put it on ebay if you want to sell it? I like how you will include a 10% off coupon that is available to everyone.

The coupon is available to everyone? I received an E-mail message from Dell directly - that's how I got the coupon. The code seemed like a unique code. I'm not trying to give away a code that I collected over at HUGE WALLET. I'm not implying that the coupon is of any value - I'm just throwing it in along with the monitor - for free.

 

[Fant]

If they sent the coupon to you, it would only work for your account.

 

[Sepen]

Originally posted by: Fant
If they sent the coupon to you, it would only work for your account.

Umm, no, no, no, that isn't how it works.

If I could afford it I would be all over this fantastic deal.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: Fant
If they sent the coupon to you, it would only work for your account.

The coupon will work for any account - but, it will only work once.

 

[Paazel]

Originally posted by: MinorityReport

What video card now to get next ?

Either the Matrox Parhalia Newegg

Or the Gainward GeForce 4 Ti 4600 Newegg

Both these cards have Dual DVI outputs.

 

[wuhoo]

Originally posted by: wje
[Pimping my sale]

If anyone is interested in purchasing a new (and sealed) Dell 1900FP monitor, I have one for sale in the following thread:

My Dell 1900FP Monitor - New and Still Sealed

[/Pimping my sale]

dude i am really really tempted....
but if you are going to sell it why not just return it or try fleabay

 

[wuhoo]

Originally posted by: Paazel

Originally posted by: MinorityReport

What video card now to get next ?

Either the Matrox Parhalia Newegg

Or the Gainward GeForce 4 Ti 4600 Newegg

Both these cards have Dual DVI outputs.

direct link for parhelia
kinda direct link for gainward
all cards with dvi
newegg links only

 

[Staples]

Originally posted by: hongman
Hi Staples,

On my 1900FP at least, the monitor portion is joined to the base via a rotating joint, so I can pivot the monitor up and down. Should have the same thing on yours. maybe it's a little stuck or something.

So this part should tilt correct? Did you pull the monitor downward to tilt it? I didn't dare try to move it by pulling/pushing the monitor because I am paranoid about ripping the screws out but I pressed foward on this thing pretty hard and I felt no movement. Now looking at it, it looks slightly moved from where it was but maybe I just want to believe that and it really isn't moved at all. If yours tilts, I am sure mine does too so if you tell me this thing should move, I will try to pull/push the monitor into position since you can get a better leverage from there.

The picture

 

[Schnieds]

Hey All,

For any of you following the posts I made above, I found a solution to the problem.

As it turns out, it was MS XP's ClearType settings that caused the text bleeding. I turned on ClearType and tuned it on the MS tuning website when I got the Planar. It didn't register that I would need to go back and tune it again for the 1900FP.

It seems that I can only use one of the available six "best looking text" selections, and I have to pick the one that is the least bold, if that makes sense. If I choose any of the bolder texts than the bleeding reoccurs... Stange.

Everything looks great now. I am very impressed with this panel. I have Thursday and Friday off (comp time for a crazy previous week) so I will do some more extensive testing and give a final report for the Planar 191M vs. the 1900FP.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: Schnieds
Hey All,

For any of you following the posts I made above, I found a solution to the problem.

As it turns out, it was MS XP's ClearType settings that caused the text bleeding. I turned on ClearType and tuned it on the MS tuning website when I got the Planar. It didn't register that I would need to go back and tune it again for the 1900FP.

It seems that I can only use one of the available six "best looking text" selections, and I have to pick the one that is the least bold, if that makes sense. If I choose any of the bolder texts than the bleeding reoccurs... Stange.

Everything looks great now. I am very impressed with this panel. I have Thursday and Friday off (comp time for a crazy previous week) so I will do some more extensive testing and give a final report for the Planar 191M vs. the 1900FP.

Outstanding detective work, Mr. Holmes (Sherlock).

 

[hongman]

Hi Staples,

Yes, that's the part that should rotate down or up. Try pushing down on the top part of the monitor, and it should tilt downward. If you're getting a while lot of resistance, it my just be that that part is either stuck or misaligned.