[UPDATED]Dell Home: Dell 1900FP LCD $725 free shipping!

[T2T III]

Shipping is free at Ecost for orders over $500.. this qualifies.

Yes, the shipping is free. However, what is Ecost charging for a "handling" fee when purchasing the Samsung monitor?

 

[jasonja]

They are charging $22 handling fee... doesn't matter now since they raised the price to $928...

 

[linster]

Originally posted by: wje
There was a discussion started in this forum between the Planar PL191M-BK and the Samsung 191T. Apparently, the Samsung 191T overstated their refresh rate and it's actuall 40 ms ?? Do you all think there's any truth in this? TechBargains.Com Monitor Discussion

Unless I missed something, that wasn't much of a discussion at all. It was just some guy stating that the 25ms was a lie. He didn't get any proof or how he came to that conclusion.

 

[freebee]

I have the PLanar 191M....its ghosts...bad...especially when I'm used to a top-of-the line CRT.

 

[pureman]

I just got Planar PL191M, is 191T better than mine? Anyone knows please post

 

[T2T III]

Unless I missed something, that wasn't much of a discussion at all. It was just some guy stating that the 25ms was a lie. He didn't get any proof or how he came to that conclusion.

Well, Duh! That's why I said there was a discussion STARTED - not a comprehensive discussion.

I have the PL191M-BK. Here's my impression: The blacks are "true" blacks - not dark shades of grey. I really realized how true this was when I changed the wallpaper on my PC over to a black background. I don't do serious gaming, but I do play racing games - and I can't detect any ghosting what-so-ever. In fact, I'm quite impressed.

Now for a question. How much trouble do you think I'd have in selling a new, sealed Dell 1900FP for $750 + shipping?

 

[T2T III]

They are charging $22 handling fee... doesn't matter now since they raised the price to $928...

What's the deal with charging $928 for this monitor at an on-line E-tailer? Even Best Buy only wants $899 and if you have one of their 10% off coupons, you can get it for $810 + tax this weekend.

 

[pureman]

I'm running winxp on PL191M with GeForce 4 Ti4600, in 1280x1024/75hz, it looks great, but not as colorful as my 22" Diamond Plus 200 CRT. I played Medal of Honor in 1024x768 for 2 hours, pretty good and no ghosting, just not as beautiful as the CRT I think. Then played Morrowind on it for 20 mins, pretty good too, but CRT really beats the LCD on color depth, or maybe there's more to it. I'd say PL191M is pretty good, but I'm not giving up my CRT just yet.

 

[jasonja]

The Best Buy coupons are only good on select items. I didn't see Computers or monitors on the list. Last time I had one of these I tried to buy a 19" monitor and they wouldn't let me use it.

Not to mention the BB in my area don't have this Samsung for some reason.

 

[T2T III]

Not to mention the BB in my area don't have this Samsung for some reason.

One store in my area just received the monitor this week. They only had one on display - connected to a Alienware system and one boxed up on a shelf somewhere - but, the salesperson couldn't locate it at the time.

 

[Necrocool]

Originally posted by: jasonja
The Best Buy coupons are only good on select items. I didn't see Computers or monitors on the list. Last time I had one of these I tried to buy a 19" monitor and they wouldn't let me use it.

Not to mention the BB in my area don't have this Samsung for some reason.

Maybe "computer accessories"?

 

[T2T III]

Maybe "computer accessories"?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'm sure even if you had to take 10 minutes of arguing with the manager, you would finally get 10% off a monitor.

 

[Fant]

Hmm...the color depth seems to be great on this Samsung. And the only time I notice that the blacks arent true is when the lcd powers on and there is nothing but black and the lcd backlight goes on....other than that blacks look great. And the clarity of the LCD easily overcomes any color depth issue for me. Granted when playing games and turning fast it does show a bit of ghosting but nothing like the old lcds. Wire: that's what I'm doing...I'm selling my Dell 1900FP on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2060877154&rd=1 to make back the $770 dell charged me and instead I bought the Samsung. But IMO these are the same monitors so if you dont use the pivot feature you might as well save the money and go with the dell.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: Fant
Hmm...the color depth seems to be great on this Samsung. And the only time I notice that the blacks arent true is when the lcd powers on and there is nothing but black and the lcd backlight goes on....other than that blacks look great. And the clarity of the LCD easily overcomes any color depth issue for me. Granted when playing games and turning fast it does show a bit of ghosting but nothing like the old lcds. Wire: that's what I'm doing...I'm selling my Dell 1900FP on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2060877154&rd=1 to make back the $770 dell charged me and instead I bought the Samsung. But IMO these are the same monitors so if you dont use the pivot feature you might as well save the money and go with the dell.

Fant, Thanks for the great follow-up. Granted CRT monitors may still hold some advantages, but the gaps are quickly closing. Sure, I could find a 21" CRT (Trinitron, flat screen) for about $239 - refurbished, from my local computer shows. But, when faced with 55 Lbs. and a 21" deep monitor sitting back on my desktop - it's something that I couldn't tolerate. I'm not a heavy gamer, but use my PC for business applications and Internet use 95% of the time. In this situation, the LCD was the only way to go because I needed to reclaim a major portion of my desk space. The 5% of the time when I do play games, the quality still looks quite impressive. Plus, I have a TV-out feature on my Radeon, so I can use my 32" Wega at a resolution of 1024 x 768 if needed.

 

[Fant]

Also another note...this Samsung does resolution scaling very well...even a game at below 1280x1024 scaled up looks better than a CRT. Also, with the nvidia card you can control whether you want to disable scaling all together so that you have black bars on either sides but it wont distort the picture.

 

[roncarter]

Originally posted by: wje
There was a discussion started in this forum between the Planar PL191M-BK and the Samsung 191T. Apparently, the Samsung 191T overstated their refresh rate and it's actuall 40 ms ?? Do you all think there's any truth in this? TechBargains.Com Monitor Discussion

whoa.. this would suck

 

[johto]

just a follow up from me:

i played unreal tour. 2k3 at 1280x1024 and didnt notice any ghosting at all. Then I played C-S at 1024x768 and noticed a lot of ghosting. I don't know if the resolution has any effect on this or if it was just the colors in the games.

the blacks are certainly true as ^ poster said. im very happy with it. if i played a TON of C-S i mgiht return but I'm not a huge gamer and suck anyways.

 

[So SimpaL]

a little off-topic...

Does anyone know if the Dell 1702FP is inherently a Samsung as well? Like a Samsung 172T perhaps?

thx

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: So SimpaL
a little off-topic...

Does anyone know if the Dell 1702FP is inherently a Samsung as well? Like a Samsung 172T perhaps?

thx

It is.

 

[hongman]

Hi all,

Got the 1900FP this past Friday and spent the weekend comparing it to an existing Planar 191M-BK I had. No dead pixels on either, which was great. I personally think the 1900FP looks slightly better than the Planar in terms of picture quality. Compared to the Dell, the Planar doesn't seem as sharp and as rich colorwise (almost as if there's a layer on top of the Planar slightly fading the colors out. However, I think a black bezel looks nicer, as the silver bezel kinda sticks out more. The difference is pretty subtle though, so both monitors are great. I think the 191M's going back.

For those of you that own the 1900FP, do you notice a quiet high pitched sound coming out of the monitor when it's on and showing a picture? I noticed one from mine, though you can only hear it when it's pretty quiet, but it's annoying. I just wanted to know if this is normal for this monitor, or if it's slightly defective.

Also, will Dell refund the shipping costs you pay having to ship stuff back to them if an item has problems?

Thanks,

Chris

 

[Staples]

I never have noticed a high pitched noise from my FP1900. High pitched noises usually come from CRTs though. Something I do notice is tiny waves that moves within shades of blue (noticable up close when a windows in the task bar turns blue because an action has occured). It is probably characteristic of all LCDs but it is something new I have never seen before and looks somewhat strange.

 

[Schnieds]

Hey Hongman,

Which monitor, the 1900FP or the 191M, did you like better for gaming? Or another way to ask the same question is, which monitor exhibited more/less ghosting while gaming in a fast action game like Unreal Tournament 2003 or RTCW...

Thanks for the info man.

 

[hongman]

Hi Schneids,

So far, I've played Jedi Knight II, MOH: Allied Assault, NOLF2, Warcraft III, and Morrowind on the Planar, and the same except for MOH on the Dell. It's hard for me to tell, but I think in terms of ghosting and such, they're about the same. At first, some minor ghosting was noticable, but after a day of using it, I think all the games are definitely playable on either monitor. One thing I noticed (which I think someone else mentioned) is that the ghosting tends to be less noticable after the monitor has been on for a bit. Though that might be just because you get used to it after a while. In short, you'll probably notice a little ghosting coming straight from a CRT, but you get used to it really quickly.

I haven't really played any fast reflex games (ala UT2003 recently, so I can't comment on whether the LCD is good for those kinds of games).

On another note, I know that the 191T has the pivot feature and this 1900FP doesn't, but are there any other adjustment features the 191T has? On the Dell, all I can do is change the viewing angle vertically. Does the 191T offer any horizontal angle adjustments, or height adjustments?

-Chris

 

[Fant]

The Samsung 191T has height adjustment (because you need to raise it in order to pivot it). It also has tilt up and down to adjust the angle. And of course you can control the angle the other way by turning the base left and right.

 

[Schnieds]

Hey all,

I just got a Dell 1900FP. I have the Planar 191M and I am trying to decide which one I want to return to Dell. At first, I noticed some ghosting on the 1900FP, however after letting the monitor warm up for a while it doesn't seem to be a problem. The 1900FP definately looks better astectically, however I would take a better picture over better astetics, so the verdict is still out.

Do any of you that have the 1900FP (Samsung 191T) have problems with black text on a white background? At time text on a white background seems to have a redish haze around it, something I didn't see on the Planar... Has anyone else experienced this problem?