**UPDATED** Official 2014-15 NFL Conference Championship Sunday** Seahawks/Pats WIN!

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phreaqe

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Rodgers was limping on the 1st play of the game yesterday, i just dont see how they can possibly beat the seahawks. There were like 5 plays yesterday where he could have run for like 15 yards but had to pull back because of the calf. Part of what makes him special is how it can extend plays and avoid the pass rush and with that part gone it will take a miracle to win this game.
 

smackababy

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Rodgers was limping on the 1st play of the game yesterday, i just dont see how they can possibly beat the seahawks. There were like 5 plays yesterday where he could have run for like 15 yards but had to pull back because of the calf. Part of what makes him special is how it can extend plays and avoid the pass rush and with that part gone it will take a miracle to win this game.

Rodgers being injured wasn't as big of a factor against the Cowboys because they have both a mediocre pass rush and secondary. Seattle has both. This is why I think they will destroy GB. Wilson making pretty much only good decisions will certainly help them as well.

The only issue I've seen with Seattle is they have a hard time stopping great TEs. And while GB has a good TE, he simply isn't enough. I would have preferred to see the Dallas-Seattle matchup (especially, as a Dallas fan) because I think it would have been better. Dez vs Sherman is great and Dallas has both a running game and a spectacular TE.
 

Capt Caveman

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If they simply had a running game, they'd be the team to beat IMO.

A better offensive line would help the run and Luck. I heard that yesterday was the first time all season that Indy has had the same starting OL for two games in a row.

Also, something like Luck led the league in being pressured. Think how good of an offense they could be with a better OL. A better DL would help also.
 

Tequila

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This, because I want to see a non-crappy Super Bowl. Any other combo of teams making it wouldn't be nearly as good. Who the hell would want to watch gimpy Rodgers taking on the 2.7 YPC rushing game of the Colts? We see enough shitty games during the year to have the big game be one also.

Why bring up the Colts poor rushing game when the Pats was even worse? You don't have to rush for 100+ yards to make an impact, if you can get key 3rd down conversions running and a rush TD that is sometimes all you need. Herron had 4.7 YPC last week against Cincy and 10 receptions and 8 receptions this game.

Anyway, I love any matchup here. No 49ers, Cowboys, Giants for conference championship always makes me very happy.

Lots of stories here to play out.

Can Luck slay Manning and Brady and get his first SB win? I'd say it's a low possibility but not counting it out.

Seahawks vs Pats. Can the Seahawks defense destroy Brady like they did Manning last year?

Seahawks vs Colts for young QB blood for those who are tired of seeing Brady or Manning in the SB? Although then they might complain about Wilson being in two consecutive SBs

I would love a Seahawks vs Pats SB but any combo still is fine with me.

Looking forward to next week!
 

IndyColtsFan

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Whelp, with the Buffalo hiring of Rex Ryan now made official as of a few minutes ago, I'm guessing Jay Cutler will be signed, traded, whatever for shortly as well.

And I have no interest in this year's Pats-Seachickens stuporbowel.

Hey, we have a former first-round running back we'll trade you.....
 

Ban Bot

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Rodgers being injured wasn't as big of a factor against the Cowboys because they have both a mediocre pass rush and secondary. Seattle has both. This is why I think they will destroy GB. Wilson making pretty much only good decisions will certainly help them as well.

The only issue I've seen with Seattle is they have a hard time stopping great TEs. And while GB has a good TE, he simply isn't enough. I would have preferred to see the Dallas-Seattle matchup (especially, as a Dallas fan) because I think it would have been better. Dez vs Sherman is great and Dallas has both a running game and a spectacular TE.

As a Seattle fan I wanted a Dallas @ Seattle NFCCG. Rodgers is obviously injured and while GB could win the odds are stacked andI am concerned he may get injured. And Seattle already destroyed GB. Dallas on the other hand won in Seattle and "deserved" a shot to prove it wasn't a fluke. Dallas can run, they can throw, and the matchups are really interesting, Dez vs. Sherman, Witten vs. Seattle's LB and a healthy Kam Chancellor, Seattle DL vs. the vaunted Dallas OL, etc. Can Romo escape the pass rush like he did last time where Irvin had him dead to rights 2 times on the 3rd&20 but Romo'd out of it? Is Seattle's offense better against Dallas w/o Harvin? Can Romo kill, once and far all, the stigma of his playoff failures by returning to the field where the stigma was born on the infamous bobbled hold and tackle at the 1 yard line?

And as a Seattle fan I wanted Seattle to have the chance to clearly establish they were beating the best teams @ their best. I don't think GB is at their best and, just as teams tend to lose after playing Seattle, the same applied to Dallas. Teams, after playing Dallas, tend to lose. I blame that great OL and Murray's run style.

Oh well, I am rooting for Wilson besting in back to back years: Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Brady. Football is a "team game" and Wilson doesn't win a playoff game (with the current line and receivers) without our defense and threat of a run attack but he is establishing that having a good QB and building around the defense and a conservative run first team and asking the QB to make 3-5 plays a game instead of 5-10 to make up for a poor defense is a much better way to build a team. I think early-Brady @ NE proved this and people forget how great those 90's Dallas and 80's/90's San Fran teams had some great defenses.
 

lupi

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An espn story out now that peyton has a torn quad, and its been that way about a month. Be interesting if true, favre & company got killed when they didn't disclose his injury.

And it should be Cowboys @ Seahawks and would not be surpised to see off season announcement that the so called rule was revised as such.
 

gorcorps

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I expect the SB to be New England and Seattle, which means I might not even watch it this year. Defending champs vs. a team who's already been dominant over the last decade? Yawn...
 

smackababy

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An espn story out now that peyton has a torn quad, and its been that way about a month. Be interesting if true, favre & company got killed when they didn't disclose his injury.
I would hope if he wasn't listed on the injury report there are repercussions. Same with Dallas and Romo. You shouldn't be able to simply leave players off.

And it should be Cowboys @ Seahawks and would not be surpised to see off season announcement that the so called rule was revised as such.

Even with that catch, Dallas wasn't a sure win. They were giving up a lot against Rodgers and letting GB stick around, when it should have been a much larger lead. GB just played better in the second half. That single play didn't cost Dallas the game, their entire second half play did. That Murray fumble, the defense giving up big plays on 3rd down, Romo's mishandled snap on 3rd down, everything. GB deserved that win just as much as Dallas, and they got it.

I don't see the rule being examined in the off season. I do expect them to make clear distinctions when the act of making a football move alters how plays are viewed though. They could easily come out and say, regardless of football moves being made, you have to maintain complete possession to the ground and the call was right. They could say that a receiver making a football move constitutes possession, but I doubt it.
 

JujuFish

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According to the rules, the call was pretty obviously correct. People need to complain about the rule, not the call.
 

smackababy

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According to the rules, the call was pretty obviously correct. People need to complain about the rule, not the call.

That is what I've been trying to do. Regardless of the call, it was a hell of a play and attempt on the ball. Unfortunately, the letter of the law has maintaining possession through the ground above making a football move. I do think had this happened midfield or the ball was knocked out of Dez's hand during this exact situation, people would be clamoring it should have been a fumble and the refs stole a takeaway from GB. But, that is just speculation.
 

zinfamous

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defense good enough to beat Denver? With the exception of Arizona, Denver had the worst current offense of any team going into these playoffs.
 

lupi

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Per the current rule, a lot of people employed by NFL teams believe it was a catch. I'm sure they'll bow to your expertise though.
 

smackababy

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Per the current rule, a lot of people employed by NFL teams believe it was a catch. I'm sure they'll bow to your expertise though.

According the the rule, one must maintain possession to the ground, regardless of any football move attempted. Now, that seems silly, but that is the rule. It wasn't a catch. The referee made the correct call, according to the rule. Just a bad beat for the Cowboys, but they certainly had other chances to put the game away and didn't. They even had chances after that play to get the ball back with time to score and didn't.


Interestingly enough, nobody is talking about the Cobb catch that hit the ground and moved, but was called a completion. I believe this happened shortly before the end of the first half.
 

zinfamous

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Can we please leave the dumbshit discussion about this obvious no-catch in last week's thread?

please?
 

phreaqe

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According the the rule, one must maintain possession to the ground, regardless of any football move attempted. Now, that seems silly, but that is the rule. It wasn't a catch. The referee made the correct call, according to the rule. Just a bad beat for the Cowboys, but they certainly had other chances to put the game away and didn't. They even had chances after that play to get the ball back with time to score and didn't.


Interestingly enough, nobody is talking about the Cobb catch that hit the ground and moved, but was called a completion. I believe this happened shortly before the end of the first half.

Do you have a gif of that one? I saw that play live and did not think the ball moved but have i not see any replays of it to be sure.
 

smackababy

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Do you have a gif of that one? I saw that play live and did not think the ball moved but have i not see any replays of it to be sure.

I can't search for it. I image there is no, but it is probably hard to find with all the Dez news taking up space. They reviewed it (as it was in 2 minutes) and all the replays looked to show the ball turn when it hit the ground.
 
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