*Updated with poll* - WTF, Alligator drags away a toddler at Walt Disney World

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sdifox

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There are dangers everywhere and making the world into a giant rubber room isn't the solution! Out west where I live we have canyons, deep canyons, and in many places visitors go to see them there are shear drops of 1000 feet or more -- AND NO FENCES! Are we suppose to fence off the entire Colorado River?

But, there needs to be signs saying that gators maybe in the water and to stay clear and watch you kids.





Brian

Yes, there should have been warning signs about gators.
 

Fern

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This was a man made lake INSIDE the Disney resort. Big difference from just a random lake in Florida.

I grew up in FL. I don't think it matters whether the body of water is man made or not. It would never occur to me that there would be no gators or snakes etc in pond or lake because it was man made. E.g., many ponds on golf courses are man made; most have gators (at least from time to time, they move around).

Heck, I remember a 5 footer showing up in a ditch near our house. That was a head scratcher.

And IIRC that Disney lake is pretty large. I see no way to keep wildlife out of it.
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If the state of FL had to put up signs everywhere a gator might be they'd go bankrupt.

I haven't lived or even visited FL in while, but the signs I remember about gators were warnings not to feed them. Fools (aka tourists) still be throwing marshmallows and whatnot to the gators.

Fern
 

zinfamous

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all articles i've ready clearly state it's a man made lake, the ones linked in this thread included.

What does this have to do with anything, though? Gators find their way into plenty of fenced-in backyards and chill out in swimming pools all the time.

Is there some reason that people are assuming gators don't like man-made bodies of water? They freaking love man-made water--it usually means there is a tasty pet nearby.


I'm in FL at least twice a year. Dad lives on a canal, has a dock with a raised boat, and a little gator fence. We go to one of the parks rather frequently where he spends much of his semi-retirement work trapping critters, and we check on about 5 or 6 big gators that have been hanging out in the same spot for a decade or so. ...this last part isn't about man-made water, just that you don't go anywhere in FL without assuming any nearby water has a gator lurking beneath it.
 
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sdifox

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I grew up in FL. I don't think it matters whether the body of water is man made or not. It would never occur to me that there would be no gators or snakes etc in pond or lake because it was man made. E.g., many ponds on golf courses are man made; most have gators (at least from time to time, they move around).

Heck, I remember a 5 footer showing up in a ditch near our house. That was a head scratcher.

And IIRC that Disney lake is pretty large. I see no way to keep wildlife out of it.
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If the state of FL had to put up signs everywhere a gator might be they'd go bankrupt.

I haven't lived or even visited FL in while, but the signs I remember about gators were warnings not to feed them. Fools (aka tourists) still be throwing marshmallows and whatnot to the gators.

Fern

you did grow up in Florida so you knew.
 

zinfamous

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Yes, there should have been warning signs about gators.

You're in Canada.

Do you guys have a sign about every 10 or 20 feet on the highway, or maybe in surface streets and your back yard:

"Warning: big dumbass moose might show up and wreck your shit for no particular reason."

Or is it just something that, being a native, you know to be aware of?
 

Capt Caveman

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What does this have to do with anything, though? Gators find their way into plenty of fenced-in backyards and chill out in swimming pools all the time.

Is there some reason that people are assuming gators don't like man-made bodies of water? They freaking love man-made water--it usually means there is a tasty pet nearby.


I'm in FL at least twice a year. Dad lives on a canal, has a dock with a raised boat, and a little gator fence. We go to one of the parks rather frequently where he spends much of his semi-retirement work trapping critters, and we check on about 5 or 6 big gators that have been hanging out in the same spot for a decade or so. ...this last part isn't about man-made water, just that you don't go anywhere in FL without assuming any nearby water has a gator lurking beneath it.

I think the comments about man-made goes to the fact that the lake is owned by Disney which has a wildlife team which supposedly does alligator control.
 

sdifox

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You're in Canada.

Do you guys have a sign about every 10 or 20 feet on the highway, or maybe in surface streets and your back yard:

"Warning: big dumbass moose might show up and wreck your shit for no particular reason."

Or is it just something that, being a native, you know to be aware of?

we have moose crossing and deer crossing signs on highways but no they are not one per 20ft.

PS I have had deer visit my driveway.
 

zinfamous

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This was a man made lake INSIDE the Disney resort. Big difference from just a random lake in Florida.

This isn't LA, where the only form of wildlife is a possum smashed on the side of one of your brown concrete rivers.

I'm not blaming the parents for being ignorant tourists or anything--this is a horrible thing that happened and could have happened to anyone--but there's a lot of general gator ignorance in this thread.
 

sdifox

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This isn't LA, where the only form of wildlife is a possum smashed on the side of one of your brown concrete rivers.

I'm not blaming the parents for being ignorant tourists or anything--this is a horrible thing that happened and could have happened to anyone--but there's a lot of general gator ignorance in this thread.

Most people are ignorant of things that they are not familiar with...
 

rh71

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I would guess most people on this beach on vacation would probably let their guard down.

http://yourfirstvisit.net/wp-conten...Floridian-Resort-from-yourfirstvisit.net_.jpg

If that's the kind of area this happened in, I agree there should at least be signs warning of gators as it's very easy to be enticed by the calm water. I've been there multiple times and I never realized they could be in any of those waters within Disney property.

As for the lawsuit, I still don't agree they should be sued for lack of signs warning of gators. To have signs would be a courtesy.
 

jtvang125

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Surprise the body of the boy is still intact. I guess the gator let the boy go after he got far enough away after being attacked by the father.
 

Fern

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Surprise the body of the boy is still intact. I guess the gator let the boy go after he got far enough away after being attacked by the father.

I've always been taught that gators don't like fresh meat. They take their kill and stash it underwater for a few days before feeding.

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Horrible story and I bet Disney will be paying.

But I can't remember how many times I've heard "I just turned my back for a few seconds etc." and some little kid is dead. It can be drowning, snake bite, dog mauling, ran over by car or fall and break their neck.

I'll admit alligator attack on a human is damn rare, but sometimes bad things happen, and happen fast. It's really no one's fault, just damn bad luck.

Fern
 

sdifox

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Surprise the body of the boy is still intact. I guess the gator let the boy go after he got far enough away after being attacked by the father.

Gators drown their prey and let them rot before eating, they can't chew.
 

jingramm

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LAWSUIT INCOMING

Disney will be sued because little boy was waddling and not "swimming". It's the American way.
 
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Brian Stirling

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Gators drown their prey and let them rot before eating, they can't chew.


I'm not sure about that...

I know that Crocks like to spin to tear off pieces and I'm pretty sure they eat as soon as they catch, but Gators maybe different.

As tragic as this story is the parents still have a intact body and I would not have expected that. A few years ago a gator snatched a child from a tent inside the Jonathan Dickinson State Park if I remember correctly -- and it wasn't the first time it had happened. As I recall the gator ate the child.

A few years ago a bear killed a child inside a tent in the mountains of Utah. When you go into the wild parts you should not be surprised if you encounter something wild.

One of the many Ram commercials that I really hated had an outdoorsman camping with his Ram pickup and in the middle of the night a wild animal starts making noise. The owner of the truck gets his bow and shoots the animal and it gets quiet. Stay the fuck out of the wild if you don't want to be there...

I think in this case, even though ALL of Florida is Alligator territory, that Disney is going to be paying big money to settle this case -- I'd guess at least $2M.


Brian
 

Darwin333

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What parent allows a 2 year old to wade in ANY water by themselves? Quadruple that for wading in water at night. Then quadruple it again if said water is a lake or other large body of water.

Even if they didn't know about the gator threat, and I personally can't blame them for that, I wouldn't let my two year old out of arms reach in any of those circumstances.
 

Humpy

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I wonder what the new signs will say.

Warning! No snorkeling. Do not attempt to breathe the water. Do not attempt to walk on the water. No diving. There is poop in the water, do not drink. Alligators may be present and will kill you. No diving. Flesh eating bacteria may be present, do not expose to open wounds. Contains hydrogen, keep away from open flame. Fish may be present and may swim up your penis hole, depending on the size of fish and the size of your penis. No swimming. Do not expose wool sweaters or hats to water. No wading. No dipping toes or balls in water. Do not drop your phone in the water. Do not pee in the water.
 

Darwin333

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It's Florida. No swimming means: "Stay the fuck away from this water. 10 foot minimum distance. etc" This sucks for sure, but: tourists.

While I seriously question the parents allowing their 2 year old to wade in the water without one of the parents literally being in arms distance, the sign should state the above more clearly at a place like Disney. You are dealing with mostly tourists and frankly people are stupid. We have warnings on blow dryers to not use them while taking a bath, warnings on rat poison that tell you not to eat it, etc for that same reason. Granted this is the only incident with a gator in Disney's history I don't think it's too much to ask for them to post a sign saying "Danger: Stay 10 feet away from water". No need to list all of the threats even but in the case of gators a little bit more than "No swimming" just seems prudent.
 

KeithP

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The boy's family was at a movie night outdoors at the Grand Floridian resort when around 9 p.m. the boy waded into about a foot of water in a lagoon, authorities have said. Witnesses, including the boy's horrified parents, tried to save him. His father jumped in and tried to pry the gator's mouth open. His mother jumped in, too.

Witnesses said the family was on the beach, and the boy's sister was in a playpen about 20 to 30 yards from the water, according to Demings. The toddler was nearby, wading in the water.
There are "No Swimming" signs at the lagoon, and no one but the child was in the water at the time of the attack, Demings said.

Based on those statements it is pretty clear no member of the family was really paying much attention as their two year old went into a body of water clearly marked "no swimming" around 9PM.

-KeithP
 
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