*Updated with poll* - WTF, Alligator drags away a toddler at Walt Disney World

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Lifer
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I do not live in Florida. I know there are a lot of gators in Florida, but I would not have expected gators in a man made lake by a man made beach at Disneyland.

Now I hear that gators in that lake are relatively commonplace. If so, why didn't they say gator risk like they do at the nearby Hyatt?
 

lsd

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I do not live in Florida. I know there are a lot of gators in Florida, but I would not have expected gators in a man made lake by a man made beach at Disneyland.

Now I hear that gators in that lake are relatively commonplace. If so, why didn't they say gator risk like they do at the nearby Hyatt?

Complacency because gator deaths don't happen all that often. Hell they have a beach area in a alligator infested lake not too far from disney. Locals stupidly go in lake because they think the gators are harmless.
 

zerocool84

Lifer
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Complacency because gator deaths don't happen all that often. Hell they have a beach area in a alligator infested lake not too far from disney. Locals stupidly go in lake because they think the gators are harmless.
These people were from Nebraska
 

skimple

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I do not live in Florida. I know there are a lot of gators in Florida, but I would not have expected gators in a man made lake by a man made beach at Disneyland.

Now I hear that gators in that lake are relatively commonplace. If so, why didn't they say gator risk like they do at the nearby Hyatt?

Not a man-made lake.

Seriously, take a look at the surrounding area. Look at all the water. The lake in question is directly below Magic Kingdom in the center of the image



There's no way they can keep gators out of that lake.
 

purbeast0

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Not a man-made lake.

Seriously, take a look at the surrounding area. Look at all the water. The lake in question is directly below Magic Kingdom in the center of the image



There's no way they can keep gators out of that lake.

all articles i've ready clearly state it's a man made lake, the ones linked in this thread included.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
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I do not live in Florida. I know there are a lot of gators in Florida, but I would not have expected gators in a man made lake by a man made beach at Disneyland.

Now I hear that gators in that lake are relatively commonplace. If so, why didn't they say gator risk like they do at the nearby Hyatt?

Alligators aren't like fish. They have legs with which they walk from place to place. That's how they get on golf courses and in people's back yards.

Maybe Disney stupidly thought a "don't swim" sign was enough. Now they'll need to put up a twenty foot flashing sign listing all the reasons why. Apparently hillfolk from Nebraska don't pay attention otherwise.
 

lxskllr

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The distinction of manmade versus natural lake is irrelevant. Animals will go where there's an acceptable habitat. Anyone who's seen a sediment trap after a few months will notice how much life has moved into it.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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Alligators aren't like fish. They have legs with which they walk from place to place. That's how they get on golf courses and in people's back yards.

Maybe Disney stupidly thought a "don't swim" sign was enough. Now they'll need to put up a twenty foot flashing sign listing all the reasons why. Apparently hillfolk from Nebraska don't pay attention otherwise.


Someone from nebraska may not understand the local dangers so disney in the effort to not get sued and not getting a 2 year old killed should have some serious signs up about these dangers.
 

Eug

Lifer
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Alligators aren't like fish. They have legs with which they walk from place to place. That's how they get on golf courses and in people's back yards.

Maybe Disney stupidly thought a "don't swim" sign was enough. Now they'll need to put up a twenty foot flashing sign listing all the reasons why. Apparently hillfolk from Nebraska don't pay attention otherwise.
As mentioned, they weren't swimming. The water was 1 foot deep there.

I'd like to think I'm not a complete idiot, but like I said, I wouldn't necessarily have expected gators in that lake when it's a man-made lake with a man-made beach next to Disneyland, when there are no signs indicating there are gators there.

Up here "No swimming" generally means something like the bacteria levels are higher than normal or there are sharp rocks, etc.
 

NoTine42

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all articles i've ready clearly state it's a man made lake, the ones linked in this thread included.

It's a man-made lake connected (by a man-made water bridge. You can rent and pilot a boat over people riding in busses and cars) to the natural Bay Lake that is connected to several rivers/creeks). It's not isolated from real nature.
 

purbeast0

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It's a man-made lake connected (by a man-made water bridge. You can rent and pilot a boat over people riding in busses and cars) to the natural Bay Lake that is connected to several rivers/creeks). It's not isolated from real nature.

i see, didn't know that. either way, building a white sand beach at a water front that you shouldn't be stepping foot in probably wasn't the brightest move in hindsight.
 

gorcorps

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Who would think no swimming means don't put your goddamn feet in the water. That makes no sense.

It's this isn't the same as sitting on the edge of a pool, playfully dangling his feet into the water. This was a beach, and a large body of water... so any possible way of putting his feet in means he had to walk out into the open water where it says no fucking swimming. I'm sure they'll change the signs to be more clear, but why do so many people feel like they're entitled to skirt the line when it comes to rules like this.

"Sir please get out of the lake"
"But it doesn't SAY stay out of the lake, it says 'no swimming' and I'm not swimming I'm just standing in the water, so there "

But hey, that's just me and how I see that sign. It needs to be clear from now on, but IMO it was enough warning to not warrant a lawsuit. An unfortunate incident, but every accidental death in this country does not need a scapegoat. Sometimes awful things happen, and hopefully we learn from it.
 

Eug

Lifer
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It's a man-made lake connected (by a man-made water bridge. You can rent and pilot a boat over people riding in busses and cars) to the natural Bay Lake that is connected to several rivers/creeks). It's not isolated from real nature.
Yeah, it's connected. Now EVERYONE at that resort knows the dangers.

I'd guess that yesterday, 80% of the guests there didn't.
 

Elixer

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The signs that say no swimming.


Why would anyone let their kid be so close to danger in the first place, and that sign spells it out pretty clearly that there is danger here.

It is like that family with the kid that the gorilla was dragging around... There wasn't a sign that said "Danger! Gorilla!"

Hope this don't turn into one of those stories where they find out that they purposely did this.
 

DeathReborn

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Looks like a fence would have been a good idea, even a small one. One thing about alligators, they have legs so even being near the water isn't exactly safe for kids.

It's the kind of safety I expect from Disney though, no fences and inadequate signage.
 

JSt0rm

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Why would anyone let their kid be so close to danger in the first place, and that sign spells it out pretty clearly that there is danger here.

It is like that family with the kid that the gorilla was dragging around... There wasn't a sign that said "Danger! Gorilla!"

Hope this don't turn into one of those stories where they find out that they purposely did this.


your right that sign clearly says "WARNING: GATORS"
 

zerocool84

Lifer
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Looks like a fence would have been a good idea, even a small one. One thing about alligators, they have legs so even being near the water isn't exactly safe for kids.

It's the kind of safety I expect from Disney though, no fences and inadequate signage.
Huh? Disney is insanely safe. You don't hear about tons of people dying at their parks. They are known for having great safety.
 

balloonshark

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I remember laying on one of those beaches and being in a pedal boat on the lake. I didn't even think about gators. I was too busy enjoying my vacation. I can't remember if there were no swimming signs or if people were swimming. That was back in the mid 90's so it's been a while. In hindsight I would probably avoid the water in Florida.
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
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Why would anyone let their kid be so close to danger in the first place, and that sign spells it out pretty clearly that there is danger here.

It is like that family with the kid that the gorilla was dragging around... There wasn't a sign that said "Danger! Gorilla!"

Hope this don't turn into one of those stories where they find out that they purposely did this.

The kid's dad could have been holding his hand so he didn't slip and submerge into the deep water not expecting an alligator would grab his son.
 

momeNt

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The more important issue is that this is a toddler. It doesn't matter how many signs there are - A TODDLER CAN'T READ.

Perhaps in the future, if Disneyworld even survives the lawsuit, they will realize that the water needs to have guards posted, or in addition to multilingual signs (i saw the sign only in english) speakers so that the warnings are audible. This also protects the illiterate, the deaf, and children that are not yet able to read but still deserve to be protected from alligators all the same.

Shame on Disney.
 

quikah

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I remember laying on one of those beaches and being in a pedal boat on the lake. I didn't even think about gators. I was too busy enjoying my vacation. I can't remember if there were no swimming signs or if people were swimming. That was back in the mid 90's so it's been a while. In hindsight I would probably avoid the water in Florida.

They allowed swimming until the '80s or '90s, forget when they banned it. I think the main motivator to ban it was the danger from water craft.

Gators are everywhere in FL. Even INSIDE magic kingdom park.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ZqrnJkQuQ

Perhaps in the future, if Disneyworld even survives the lawsuit, they will realize that the water needs to have guards posted

You are funny. Do you realize how many people have died at Disney? I think they will be OK.
 
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LTC8K6

Lifer
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Image search gator climbing fence. It would help, but Disney has always gone for that illusion of a magical place. Tall fences around the property, that you can see from the monorail, water taxis, paddle boats, etc. inside of the magic kingdom? Highly unlikely.

On a happier, and somewhat related topic. If you have never been to Disney Parks or stayed at their resorts during the Holiday season, try to do it once before you expire. The Grand Floridian where this happened does a life size gingerbread house. As soon as you are inside, the delicious smell hits you. You do not have to stay i suppose, and at the ones in the magic kingdom, you can access them by monorail or water taxi.

The fences would be mostly under water, though, and of a type that's difficult to climb.

Alligators can climb a regular fence, and we have seen that crocodiles can climb a tree.

But if you have lifeguards, then the alligator would be easy to spot going over the fence out in the water.

Of course, one big problem is almost certainly that guests/tourists feed the alligators at the edge of the water.
 

Humpy

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I'm stunned that there is any doubt about the expectation of alligators in Florida lakes.
 
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