Updates to hide to prevent Windows 10 Upgrade / Disable Telemetry

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RampantAndroid

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Other information Microsoft saves includes Bing search queries and conversations with the new digital personal assistant Cortana; contents of private communications such as email; websites and apps visited (including features accessed and length of time used); and contents of private folders. Furthermore, “your typed and handwritten words are collected,” the Privacy Statement says, which many online observers liken to a keylogger. Microsoft says they collect the information “to provide you a personalized user dictionary, help you type and write on your device with better character recognition, and provide you with text suggestions as you type or write.”[/I]

MS themselves says that any data they take is to offer you services, or to target you; they're quite specific that they don't look at files, emails and so on. Check out the privacy link I posted...
 

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Yes I have an updated guide coming soon, please give me 72 hours and I will post the best guide you've seen on the web to avoid the Windows 10 Virus

Hey berryracer, since there isn't a new guide, am I safe in assuming that the more recent updates (since the posting of this guide) are safe as far as the telemetry goes?
 

Berryracer

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Hey berryracer, since there isn't a new guide, am I safe in assuming that the more recent updates (since the posting of this guide) are safe as far as the telemetry goes?
KB3074677, KB3078667, KB3081437, KB3081451, KB3081454 added to the main list in the OP (I don't know for which OS 7 or 8 they are though so you'll just have to watch them closely) added to the OP, this is getting really hard guys......

we have more than 15 updates now that want to force the upgrade to Windows 10....... I think Micro$h4ft want us to finally give up and give in to upgrading.......
 

PliotronX

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KB3074677, KB3078667, KB3081437, KB3081451, KB3081454 added to the main list in the OP (I don't know for which OS 7 or 8 they are though so you'll just have to watch them closely) added to the OP, this is getting really hard guys......

we have more than 15 updates now that want to force the upgrade to Windows 10....... I think Micro$h4ft want us to finally give up and give in to upgrading.......
Instead of you know... patching flaws and improving the operating system they are more aggressive towards pulling a Google with analytics? Can't say I'm surprised.
 

Berryracer

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Instead of you know... patching flaws and improving the operating system they are more aggressive towards pulling a Google with analytics? Can't say I'm surprised.
yeah I believe now every set of new updates will include telemetry or Windows 10 upgrades, nothing interesting as before such as real security fixes or OS patches.....For Win7/8 that is
 

RampantAndroid

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Instead of you know... patching flaws and improving the operating system they are more aggressive towards pulling a Google with analytics? Can't say I'm surprised.

If it is telemetry on how the OS is working, are those mutually exclusive?
 

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Hey berryracer, thank you very much for the nice guide. It is very much appreciated. the Microsoft antics in the OP have finally gotten me to migrate half of my home computers to GNU-Linux Mint (first time using GNU-Linux!)- This list is great because it helps me reduce the unacceptable Microsoft spying on the computers with software that require windows.

anyway, please keep this baby updated. thanks!
 

Berryracer

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Hey berryracer, thank you very much for the nice guide. It is very much appreciated. the Microsoft antics in the OP have finally gotten me to migrate half of my home computers to GNU-Linux Mint (first time using GNU-Linux!)- This list is great because it helps me reduce the unacceptable Microsoft spying on the computers with software that require windows.

anyway, please keep this baby updated. thanks!
Thank you for the comment.

Just updated the list, please check again
 

WelshBloke

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MS themselves says that any data they take is to offer you services, or to target you; they're quite specific that they don't look at files, emails and so on. Check out the privacy link I posted...
They do look at files or emails don't they?
I thought that one of the telemetry levels uploads whatever docs were open when something goes wrong.
 

Underclocked

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Saying you won't use selective data to not target ads is hardly the same as saying they won't collect such data - nor is it the same as saying such data will not be shared. If someone takes comfort in that statement, that's just wonderful for them. Some folks here try to justify why Microsoft is doing this - there is no adequate justification. If the only thing they were gathering was crash reports or event reports, that would be another story.

Trust me, check is in the mail.
 

R0H1T

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They do look at files or emails don't they?
I thought that one of the telemetry levels uploads whatever docs were open when something goes wrong.
Tbh even Google (& Outlook) have access to your emails, full access, & pretty much every mail provider does the same. This now extends to win10, MS has specified that they won't target you with ads (IIRC) but anything else is fair game & that IMO is something far more ludicrous & dangerous for all of us.
 

bononos

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Tbh even Google (& Outlook) have access to your emails, full access, & pretty much every mail provider does the same. This now extends to win10, MS has specified that they won't target you with ads (IIRC) but anything else is fair game & that IMO is something far more ludicrous & dangerous for all of us.

Are you saying that 'it' is something "far more ludicrous & dangerous" for both Microsoft as well as Gmail? Because Gmail doesn't make any more promises about privacy compared to Microsoft. Gmail will use information for targetted ads while Microsoft live does not although it will not matter in the end because of telemetry data.

Microsoft and Gmail both scan emails to reduce spam and also for illegal activities like child porn which they will forward to law enforcement.
 

WelshBloke

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Tbh even Google (& Outlook) have access to your emails, full access, & pretty much every mail provider does the same. This now extends to win10, MS has specified that they won't target you with ads (IIRC) but anything else is fair game & that IMO is something far more ludicrous & dangerous for all of us.
I was thinking more about my wife's situation.

She's a freelance translater and sometimes she works on documents that need to be kept secure.
She doesn't use webmail, but if word crashes when she's working on them would Microsoft get a copy of the file?

Luckily you can turn off the telemetry that does that but Microsoft doesn't give you a lot of information on the fact that they are doing it or how to stop them doing it.

I think that it is fundamentally different to Google in that Microsoft have suddenly ratcheted up the data mining after they have become pretty much the only option for business. Google have always done it so they haven't really lured you into their ecosystem with false promises.
 

Chiefcrowe

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AFAIK - if Word crashes, MS only gets the telemetry data for the crash.


I was thinking more about my wife's situation.

She's a freelance translater and sometimes she works on documents that need to be kept secure.
She doesn't use webmail, but if word crashes when she's working on them would Microsoft get a copy of the file?

Luckily you can turn off the telemetry that does that but Microsoft doesn't give you a lot of information on the fact that they are doing it or how to stop them doing it.

I think that it is fundamentally different to Google in that Microsoft have suddenly ratcheted up the data mining after they have become pretty much the only option for business. Google have always done it so they haven't really lured you into their ecosystem with false promises.
 

bononos

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I was thinking more about my wife's situation.
She's a freelance translater and sometimes she works on documents that need to be kept secure.
She doesn't use webmail, but if word crashes when she's working on them would Microsoft get a copy of the file?

Luckily you can turn off the telemetry that does that but Microsoft doesn't give you a lot of information on the fact that they are doing it or how to stop them doing it.
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If the telemetry option is set to "full" then Microsoft will get "parts" of the data file involved.

Basic telemetry is always on and there is no way to turn it completely off for the home and pro versions. The only way is to hack the registry and turn off the services manually.
 

WelshBloke

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If the telemetry option is set to "full" then Microsoft will get "parts" of the data file involved.

The problem is that Microsoft doesn't tell you that upfront and they also don't tell you which "parts".

As a hypothetical, I wonder what the legal position is on Microsoft surreptitiously uploading "parts" of someones medical records or documents from an ongoing legal case.
 

Berryracer

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Just added a new update to the list:

KB2882822


Very fishy with no solid info on what it does....
 

vailr

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Thanks for the comprehensive list.
However, for security & other reasons, I'll choose to disagree with your "don't install IE 10/11" advice.

KB2670838 (The EVIL Update, breaks AERO on Windows 7 and makes some fonts on websites fuzzy, Windows 7 specific update only, do not install IE10 or 11 otherwise it will be bundled with them, IE9 is the max version you should install)


Makes no sense: why would they intentionally "make some fonts on websites fuzzy"?
More likely: an error/oversight that may be corrected at some later point in time.
But only if they're made aware of the problem. That's the first time I've heard about it, anyway.
 

bononos

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The problem is that Microsoft doesn't tell you that upfront and they also don't tell you which "parts".

As a hypothetical, I wonder what the legal position is on Microsoft surreptitiously uploading "parts" of someones medical records or documents from an ongoing legal case.

The telemetry settings menu does say that "parts" will be included, so thats being upfront.

Microsoft recently opened up a former employees private live/hotmail account whom they suspected of leaking the toolkit utility and stopped the scroogled campaign around the same time. Their privacy policy states that they will protect "the rights or property of Microsoft"
But what you are saying sounds like Microsoft secretly leaking your private confidential info in order to embarrass people they don't like (eg had teenage abortion, corrective surgery, seeing psyc for depression, needs viagra etc) which is illegal. But I guess they can peep into their servers first and then hire a PI to dig into it and get the info legally if they find something juicy.
 

Berryracer

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Thanks for the comprehensive list.
However, for security & other reasons, I'll choose to disagree with your "don't install IE 10/11" advice.

KB2670838 (The EVIL Update, breaks AERO on Windows 7 and makes some fonts on websites fuzzy, Windows 7 specific update only, do not install IE10 or 11 otherwise it will be bundled with them, IE9 is the max version you should install)


Makes no sense: why would they intentionally "make some fonts on websites fuzzy"?
More likely: an error/oversight that may be corrected at some later point in time.
But only if they're made aware of the problem. That's the first time I've heard about it, anyway.

everyone on NBR forum talks about this, if you don't install it manually, it comes prebundled when you instll IE 10 or IE 11 which is why I hide both of them browser updates.

I have noticed many sites displaying fuzzy fonts and at first I thought it was a glitch with the site but when I read about this, I figured it out.
 

WelshBloke

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The telemetry settings menu does say that "parts" will be included, so thats being upfront.


That kind of upfront reminds me of this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNmIQX_ImgM

Microsoft recently opened up a former employees private live/hotmail account whom they suspected of leaking the toolkit utility and stopped the scroogled campaign around the same time. Their privacy policy states that they will protect "the rights or property of Microsoft"
But what you are saying sounds like Microsoft secretly leaking your private confidential info in order to embarrass people they don't like (eg had teenage abortion, corrective surgery, seeing psyc for depression, needs viagra etc) which is illegal. But I guess they can peep into their servers first and then hire a PI to dig into it and get the info legally if they find something juicy.

Nope. What I'm saying is that lots of documents that people work on are confidential and not to be shared with third parties. If Microsoft take it upon themselves to acquire those documents (in part or whole) is there a liability issue? Their motives in doing it would be irrelevant.
 

vailr

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everyone on NBR forum talks about this, if you don't install it manually, it comes prebundled when you instll IE 10 or IE 11 which is why I hide both of them browser updates.

I have noticed many sites displaying fuzzy fonts and at first I thought it was a glitch with the site but when I read about this, I figured it out.

Link to "NBR forum" discussion?
Can you provide a specific web address that would prove what you're saying?
Or even: side by side screen captures, comparing IE11 with a current version of Firefox, Opera, Chrome, etc. viewing the same URL. Are other web browsers affected by having IE11 installed, compared with IE9 installed?
Does the same "fuzzy fonts" error occur when using Windows 10 + IE11?
 

Berryracer

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Link to "NBR forum" discussion?
Can you provide a specific web address that would prove what you're saying?
Or even: side by side screen captures, comparing IE11 with a current version of Firefox, Opera, Chrome, etc. viewing the same URL. Are other web browsers affected by having IE11 installed, compared with IE9 installed?
Does the same "fuzzy fonts" error occur when using Windows 10 + IE11?

KB2670838 Windows Update Diminishes DX11 Performance For Windows Users

Removal KB2670838

I don't have to prove anything to you. If you wanna install it go ahead, it's your system.
 

Berryracer

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The "fuzzy fonts" wasn't a bug, it was a feature: Directwrite. It makes text look better on high DPI displays, but, in my opinion, degrades it on typical low DPI displays. The same thing happened to Chrome last year when they enabled directwrite by default in an update, only in Chrome you could still disable it via chrome://flags.

I really think this thread is going overboard with the uninstall recommendations.

The fonts problem affected me as well on my 1440p resolution on the PG278Q monitor that I have, when I scroll up and down in Firefox, I would see the text very fuzzy. Doesn't happen if I don't install the Evil update.
 
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