Updating My Computer - New Graphics Card for PCIe 3.0

[Headfoot]

Wasting time trying to find a crappy card that will work with a crappy PSU is an exercise in futility. All you'll end up doing is compromising your way to it being useless for the purpose (gaming/CAD). You're just getting in your own way. Buy a decent PSU with some capacity so you don't need to do weird acrobatics on the card, then buy the best bang for the buck card. Probably a 580 8GB, 1060 6GB or 1070. Then you will have a solid machine that will work well, it won't be constantly threatened by the house of cards falling down on account of the PSU. Trust me, you will be happier with it. Every time I see this weird compromise situation they always end up coming back a year later to upgrade to what they should have done in the first place.

 

[PrinceXizor]

Wasting time trying to find a crappy card that will work with a crappy PSU is an exercise in futility. All you'll end up doing is compromising your way to it being useless for the purpose (gaming/CAD). You're just getting in your own way. Buy a decent PSU with some capacity so you don't need to do weird acrobatics on the card, then buy the best bang for the buck card. Probably a 580 8GB, 1060 6GB or 1070. Then you will have a solid machine that will work well, it won't be constantly threatened by the house of cards falling down on account of the PSU. Trust me, you will be happier with it. Every time I see this weird compromise situation they always end up coming back a year later to upgrade to what they should have done in the first place.

While I respect your opinion, I dislike your condescending tone. It also discounts the real world issue of money which is clearly a determining factor in these "acrobatics". Also, your 3 suggested cards for use AFTER I buy a "decent" PSU have significantly different power draws under load. I'm also certain that a 1060 6GB will be absolutely fine with my "crappy" PSU and I would have already purchased one if the funds were there. Thirdly, points 1 and 2 mentioned previously (and apply in my case) put a top end limit on more expensive cards as it is. The whole purpose of my last post was to assist those who feel the need to engage in these "acrobatics" and provide some useful guiding factors to those who eschew the "replace it all" standard guidance of most threads. Cheers!

 

[PeterScott]

While I respect your opinion, I dislike your condescending tone. It also discounts the real world issue of money which is clearly a determining factor in these "acrobatics". Also, your 3 suggested cards for use AFTER I buy a "decent" PSU have significantly different power draws under load. I'm also certain that a 1060 6GB will be absolutely fine with my "crappy" PSU and I would have already purchased one if the funds were there. Thirdly, points 1 and 2 mentioned previously (and apply in my case) put a top end limit on more expensive cards as it is. The whole purpose of my last post was to assist those who feel the need to engage in these "acrobatics" and provide some useful guiding factors to those who eschew the "replace it all" standard guidance of most threads. Cheers!

Agree about the PSU thing. I mentioned in another thread that my 600W PSU had only 6pin connectors so a RX 480/580 were out of the running for me, and immediately people were suggesting I replace my PSU. No thanks perfectly fine otherwise PSU, and it would be cheaper to buy a GTX 1060 than a RX 580 + new PSU.

After reading the thread. In your case, I think I would just say go for the GTX 1050Ti. It's a perfectly fine 1080P card, has very low power draw, and is cheaper than 1060.

 

[VirtualLarry]

After reading the thread. In your case, I think I would just say go for the GTX 1050Ti. It's a perfectly fine 1080P card, has very low power draw, and is cheaper than 1060.

Makes sense.

 

[AtenRa]

Unless the PSU is no-name cheap 380W PSU, it should be just fine for the RX 580. Total power draw for the system with default Core i5 3570K + RX 580 8GB will be no more than 250W at gaming, which is less than 80% of the 380W PSU capability.

Bellow total system power draw with Core i7 6700K OC to 4.4GHz

https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/107665-msi-radeon-rx-580-gaming-x-8gb/?page=12

 

[PeterScott]

Unless the PSU is no-name cheap 380W PSU, it should be just fine for the RX 580. Total power draw for the system with default Core i5 3570K + RX 580 8GB will be no more than 250W at gaming, which is less than 80% of the 380W PSU capability.

Bellow total system power draw with Core i7 6700K OC to 4.4GHz

https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/107665-msi-radeon-rx-580-gaming-x-8gb/?page=12

IIRC, he does not have an 8 pin power connectors, that you need for RX 580. Same issue I had. From what I read messing around with adapters is not a good idea.

 

[Hitman928]

IIRC, he does not have an 8 pin power connectors, that you need for RX 580. Same issue I had. From what I read messing around with adapters is not a good idea.

If you have 2 free 6 pins, you can get a 2x6 pin to 1x8 pin adapter which is perfectly fine. Most of the time even a single 6 pin to 8 pin will work fine, but there is a risk there depending on PSU.

 

[Headfoot]

Power supplies don't last forever. They degrade over time. When you put a new, higher load on an old PSU they can fail, and worse, they can fail intermittently only at peak load. I've seen it over and over in builds I've done. But go ahead and buy whatever you want, not my problem. When you're troubleshooting strange phenomena don't be surprised when it ends up being the older power supply.

 

[Meghan54]

He can grab a decent 450 watt psu for $30 AR. With 2. 6x2 pin connectors.

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16817438130/specs

Just for edification about that and other cheap power supplies, esp. EVGA's cheap ps's, check the specs before recommending one.

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=100-BT-0450-K1 (Look under Specs for the info below)

This is that ps's rating at operating temp: 450W @ +30C

And it specs this: Operating Temperature 0° to 30° C

A 30C temp rating is horrid and wholly unrealistic. (That's 86F for us uninitiated to C.) I seriously doubt the vast majority of functioning computers internal case temps stay below 86F when working. So that makes the 450W power supply in reality a much lower output device, if it doesn't shut off if the temps it's seeing hit 35-38C, as it should given its advertised as having overtemp protection.

And that's not the only EVGA rated at such a low temp for hitting an output number. Their BV line has the same cheat.

Not trying to be an something-something, but there are inexpensive power supplies and then there are cheap, which your linked one and other EVGA's really personify. Other companies do this, too, but none in recent memory from a company as large and respected by some as EVGA....I'm thinking more of Deer and the like.

The devil's in the details.

 

[Campy]

The devil's in the details.

Another detail worth looking at on cheap power supplies is their max rated 12V output, which is where the vast majority of a computers power draw will be. A good power supply is rated for it's full wattage on the 12V rails, whilst cheap ones like the one you linked are rated for less(420W on the 12V).

 

[Shmee]

While I would definitely recommend upgrading the PSU, if you were to continue to use the current one for a while longer I would go with a 1050Ti for now. A very low power card, and not too pricey. Upgrade both card and PSU later when budget permits. You could also throw in an i7 3770k at that point, and even OC it.

 

[VirtualLarry]

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/gigabyte-dual-fan-rx-570-4gb-170-99-fs-ap-newegg.2554039/

Solid deal on a new RX 570 card.