Upgrade advice please

[shimp]

currently have emachines T2958 =
CPU: Intel® Celeron® D 330 Processor
Operates at 2.66GHz
256KB L2 cache & 533MHz FSB
Chipset: Intel 845GV chipset
Video: Intel® Extreme Graphics 3D
64MB Shared memory

Would a AMD socket 754 be an upgrade?

Would like to keep current case and use a matx board with onboard video(not a gamer).

Any ideas/suggestions appreciated.
Thanks

 

[EagleEye]

What do you use your PC for? Also, you might not be able to use the same case since it is a HP.

 

[shimp]

use present pc for surfing,office apps, antivirus, usenet x 2 instances of Forte Agent,pretty much general purpose.

 

[furballi]

No need to switch if you're not a gamer. I'd bump the RAM to 1GB.

 

[shimp]

forgot to mention the ram is at 1 gb...
thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Howard]

What's your budget?

 

[shimp]

Originally posted by: Howard
What's your budget?

No set budget, wanting to upgrade if it helps....

 

[imported_fx]

You can keep the case but you have to replace the matx motherboard if you want to upgrade from Intel to AMD.

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138269
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103535
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145026

Total budget is about 300 dollars.

 

[shimp]

Originally posted by: fx
You can keep the case but you have to replace the matx motherboard if you want to upgrade from Intel to AMD.

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138269
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103535
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145026

Total budget is about 300 dollars.

Thanks for the advice
Will this be a nice improvement over the present celeron setup?
Say 50% ?

 

[imported_fx]

Originally posted by: shimp

Originally posted by: fx
You can keep the case but you have to replace the matx motherboard if you want to upgrade from Intel to AMD.

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138269
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103535
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145026

Total budget is about 300 dollars.

Thanks for the advice
Will this be a nice improvement over the present celeron setup?
Say 50% ?

Absolutely!

 

[furballi]

I doubt that there will be a 50% improvement in performance with the A64 3200/939 combo. The stock A64 3200 should complete 1M digits Super Pi in 42 seconds.

Download Super Pi and run the 1M digits test with your current rig. This will give you a ball-park estimate of the speed boost.

 

[shimp]

Originally posted by: furballi
I doubt that there will be a 50% improvement in performance with the A64 3200/939 combo. The stock A64 3200 should complete 1M digits Super Pi in 42 seconds.

Download Super Pi and run the 1M digits test with your current rig. This will give you a ball-park estimate of the speed boost.

did the Super Pi on current rig.
Ran 1M test in 01M 19 seconds

HOWEVER, found another version of Super Pi=>Super_Pi_SSE3, with this version ran 1M in 00m 32seconds

 

[furballi]

1st test appears to be very slow for a 2.66GHz Celeron. 2nd test is too fast. An overclocked A3700 may do 32 seconds with the 1M digits test.

 

[shimp]

That is my complaint with this rig, seems slow...
But it has always extremely stable...

So, perhaps the upgrade would be a good decision?

Thanks for help, keep opinions coming!!

 

[furballi]

You need to find out why there exist such a large delta between the two Super Pi tests. My guess is that something is running in the background that's sapping your CPU power. Check for malware in your HDD. A quick and easy test is to zeros the HDD and clean install windows.

 

[alimoalem]

you'll see an improvement but you should get a 50% boost in performance if you overclock. if you already have a gig of ram, though, you could just save the money cause i'm sure 1gb is enough for your tasks.

 

[shimp]

overclock,as in present system, or new amd system.?

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: fx

Originally posted by: shimp

Originally posted by: fx
You can keep the case but you have to replace the matx motherboard if you want to upgrade from Intel to AMD.

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138269
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103535
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145026

Total budget is about 300 dollars.

Thanks for the advice
Will this be a nice improvement over the present celeron setup?
Say 50% ?

Absolutely!

The processer is a s939.

 

[jdkick]

Specially, how is your system not meeting your needs?

IMO, a 2.66GHz Celeron should be entirely sufficient for the general desktop duties you've described. Increasing system memory to 1GB would have been my suggestion as well, but you've already taken care of that.

Are you still running the factory HP install of did you start from scratch? It's possible that there's still some bloated apps running in the background that shipped with the PC and are consuming resources.

The reason i'm hesitant is that I don't think a budget s754 or s939 system is going to give you terribly noticable gains. You might see a bit, but i'm hesitant to say it would worth the money. Maybe hold out a bit longer, save a little more $$$ then build something nice.

 

[shimp]

Originally posted by: jdkick
Specially, how is your system not meeting your needs?

IMO, a 2.66GHz Celeron should be entirely sufficient for the general desktop duties you've described. Increasing system memory to 1GB would have been my suggestion as well, but you've already taken care of that.

Are you still running the factory HP install of did you start from scratch? It's possible that there's still some bloated apps running in the background that shipped with the PC and are consuming resources.

The reason i'm hesitant is that I don't think a budget s754 or s939 system is going to give you terribly noticable gains. You might see a bit, but i'm hesitant to say it would worth the money. Maybe hold out a bit longer, save a little more $$$ then build something nice.

As we speak, running sygate personal firewall, nav corporate, 2 instances internet explorer, outlook express, 2 instances forte agent.
Task manager shows cpu usage @ 100%, system is slow.

Did a clean install WinXP_Home, not running the eMachines factory install...
Thanks for ideas

 

[imported_fx]

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: fx

Originally posted by: shimp

Originally posted by: fx
You can keep the case but you have to replace the matx motherboard if you want to upgrade from Intel to AMD.

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138269
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103535
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145026

Total budget is about 300 dollars.

Thanks for the advice
Will this be a nice improvement over the present celeron setup?
Say 50% ?

Absolutely!

The processer is a s939.

That motherboard is s939 as well.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I'd say a 3200+ at stock speeds would be a major upgrade over a celeron D 2.66. I think that you'd easily realize a 30-50% increase in general performance (50% or more in gaming, 30-50% in every other task) over your current system. I don't understand how anyone can doubt that.

 

[shimp]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I'd say a 3200+ at stock speeds would be a major upgrade over a celeron D 2.66. I think that you'd easily realize a 30-50% increase in general performance (50% or more in gaming, 30-50% in every other task) over your current system. I don't understand how anyone can doubt that.

Thanks all for advice.
Since im no gamer, (stability is priority),i been doing reading on the intel cpu's;

Intel Pentium D 820 Smithfield 800MHz FSB LGA 775 Dual Core EM64T Processor Model BX80551PG2800FN - Retail= http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116213

Intel Pentium D 920 Presler 800MHz FSB LGA 775 Dual Core Processor Model BX80553920 - Retail = http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116237

looks like a few dual cores reasonably priced...
couse,ill need a cpu,mb,ram, whether i go amd or intel.
thoughts appreciated

 

[shimp]

hmm,funny thing...

runnin 'go_sp_2004','folding@home', and ran SuperPi test,again at 1M....results were faster with these running in background..

!M took 01m 13sec, a smaller difference of 06 seconds.
is that strange?

 

[shimp]

After thinking it thru, maybe my best bet is to keep the current cpu, change the mobo so its not locked by eMachines.

Perhaps try my hand at oc'ing.

Wonder which board would be compatible?

Thanks