Upgrade help required...

[rydikulos]

Not much of an upgrade...it's a complete system revamp.
Anyways, I'm assembling a PC with the following;
- Intel Core i5 750
- Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 mobo
- 2*2GB DDR3 1333MHz RAM

As we know that the i5 750 is an awesome OC'er, I wanted to know whether it requires a third-party cooler if run @ stock clocks.
I will be mostly using this PC for moderate gaming, animation, media editing and I have no intention of OC'ing currently (I'll do it later).
I will be using my 9600GT as a GPU and will later upgrade when nVidia brings out it's DX-11 range (I just love PhysX)

Does RAM play any role in OC'ing ?
I mean if I buy cheap value RAM, say from Transcend or Kingston, will I be able to OC or do I have to buy Hi-performance RAM ??

Will the Sunbeamtech Core-contact freezer support these cpu's ??

 

[MisterDonut]

Unless you want a cooler chip, you don't need an aftermarket heatsink. However, if you DO have plans to OC, I would start doing my homework, etc. With an i5, you have the option of turbo boost (~3.2ghz on the i5-750, I think ?), so I wouldn't worry about OC'ing unless you feel like you really need to.

I don't know, but I would say that cheap value RAM wouldn't play such a large role in large scaling OC, to a certain point. Basically, I haven't heard of anybody I know that has had problems with the RAM in their OC, but I'm also not sure if they have done little tweaks to optimize their chip. Usually it's just a straight shot to a commonly known OC frequency. Check out the G.skill ECO series (runs at a lower voltage without losing much performance/timings) or their regular line of dual channel ddr3 kits. If not, I've also seen OCZ Gold work fine.

Straight out of the box, the sunbeam HSF wouldn't support LGA 1156, so you would either need to find an adapter bracket, or just buy a new heatsink.

 

[Fayd]

umm...... CPU's are required to work at stock clocks with the stock heatsink....

 

[betasub]

What do you love about PhysX with a single 9600GT for graphics?

 

[Magusigne]

Hi Rydikulos,

No of course you do not need an aftermarket HSF if your going to run at stock speeds. I suggest though installing it with your aftermarket if you are thinking of overclocking as it will save you time and effort later (having to remove the mobo etc).

I also suggest that you go ahead and get another 2x2 kit of ram while your at it. (thats just personal preference). Yes RAM quality does effect overclocking. This of course is relative to how much you plan on overclocking.

I don't pretend to know much outside CAS timings..but ideally if you are planning on doing anything more than a modest overclock then you really should invest in at least midgrade ram... I recommend G.Skill..

This would be GREAT!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-189-_-Product

 

[rydikulos]

Thanks for your replies.

With an i5, you have the option of turbo boost (~3.2ghz on the i5-750, I think ?), so I wouldn't worry about OC'ing unless you feel like you really need to.

Yeah, that's why I'm not gonna oc it for now...I'll do it when it slows down a bit in the future.

I don't know, but I would say that cheap value RAM wouldn't play such a large role in large scaling OC, to a certain point. Basically, I haven't heard of anybody I know that has had problems with the RAM in their OC, but I'm also not sure if they have done little tweaks to optimize their chip. Usually it's just a straight shot to a commonly known OC frequency. Check out the G.skill ECO series (runs at a lower voltage without losing much performance/timings) or their regular line of dual channel ddr3 kits. If not, I've also seen OCZ Gold work fine.

Well, you know in other OC sites they mention the speed of the RAM...it increases by a little and we also can change the timings ourselves.So, I think I better go with Corsair or G-Skill (OCZ modules aren't easily available for me) as value ram (Transcend/Kingston) only work best @ stock clocks.

Straight out of the box, the sunbeam HSF wouldn't support LGA 1156, so you would either need to find an adapter bracket, or just buy a new heatsink.

ohhh...but right now, the dealers are not having the bracket.Any ways, which cooler would you recommend (in the pricing range of the CCF) for an i5 ?
Is the CM Hyper212+ good?

I don't pretend to know much outside CAS timings..but ideally if you are planning on doing anything more than a modest overclock then you really should invest in at least midgrade ram... I recommend G.Skill..

This would be GREAT!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231189

Ohh...I forgot about G-Skill...that's a good one.
What's the difference between your recommendation and this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231190
Also, i5 doesn't support more than 1333 in RAM, right?
Even if it does, I think 1333 is the best speed to go for DDR3 (acc. to tom's hardware)

 

[MisterDonut]

Well, the best heatsink within its price range is the Scythe Mugen 2. There are other better coolers but more expensive (e.g. Noctua, Thermalright, Zalman, Prolimatech, etc.)

But for OC needs, a Scythe Mugen 2 would do just fine.

 

[Magusigne]

Thanks for your replies.

Yeah, that's why I'm not gonna oc it for now...I'll do it when it slows down a bit in the future.

Well, you know in other OC sites they mention the speed of the RAM...it increases by a little and we also can change the timings ourselves.So, I think I better go with Corsair or G-Skill (OCZ modules aren't easily available for me) as value ram (Transcend/Kingston) only work best @ stock clocks.

ohhh...but right now, the dealers are not having the bracket.Any ways, which cooler would you recommend (in the pricing range of the CCF) for an i5 ?
Is the CM Hyper212+ good?

Ohh...I forgot about G-Skill...that's a good one.
What's the difference between your recommendation and this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231190
Also, i5 doesn't support more than 1333 in RAM, right?
Even if it does, I think 1333 is the best speed to go for DDR3 (acc. to tom's hardware)

Rydiculos,

The Ram I chose is better..both in price and quality.

94.99+ 7 bucks shipping and handling vs 96.99 shipped.

Also G.Skill's models go in card types. Jack, Queen, King..

Your model ends in HQ= Queen. The one I chose is HK=King.

Better CAS timing's mean tighter and higher overclocks.

Go with the one I chose..Not much of a difference besides higher quality.

 

[rydikulos]

Well, the best heatsink within its price range is the Scythe Mugen 2. There are other better coolers but more expensive (e.g. Noctua, Thermalright, Zalman, Prolimatech, etc.)

But for OC needs, a Scythe Mugen 2 would do just fine.

Thanks, but Scythe products are unavailable/very rare to buy here.
Any suggestions from CoolerMaster/Thermalright/Arctic Cooling.
What about the following (ignore their cost);
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835186134
Sunbeamtech Core-Contact Freezer
Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme
...with LGA1156 retention brackets

Any other suggestions under, say 60US$, are welcome.

Also G.Skill's models go in card types. Jack, Queen, King..
Your model ends in HQ= Queen. The one I chose is HK=King.
Better CAS timing's mean tighter and higher overclocks.

Wow, King queen and jack...nice nomenclature.
It seems my e-tailer is selling only queens and not kings!!

What about these;
- Corsair TW3X4G-1333C9 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145218
- G.Skill F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231253
-G.Skill F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231277

Ignore their costs, it'll be completely different here in India !
Just give your opinion.

Hey, Is going for speeds above than 1333 MHz good or not ?
Give reasons.

Thank You.

 

[MisterDonut]

Prolimatech or get a lapped TRUE

EDIT: Out of the choices you listed, I would probably go with the Tuniq 120X, or try to find a TRUE. Bit itchy about CoolerMaster cooling products, since they had those 90cfm/16db rated fans. Pretty ridiculous. But I've worked with some of their 775 coolers, and they were fine.

 

[Magusigne]

Between those three choices. The Ripjaw series of G.skill then.

1333 is perfectly fine!

 

[rydikulos]

Between those three choices. The Ripjaw series of G.skill then.

1333 is perfectly fine!

What is different about Ripjaws...it has the same CAS Latency and timings as others...then, why that one?
Your recommendation was: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231189

Is yours better than ripjaws?

How about this...it is slightly expensive...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820104140

Can you tell me how to choose RAM by comparing timings, CAS latencies, etc?

 

[Magusigne]

What is different about Ripjaws...it has the same CAS Latency and timings as others...then, why that one?
Your recommendation was: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231189

Is yours better than ripjaws?

How about this...it is slightly expensive...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820104140

Can you tell me how to choose RAM by comparing timings, CAS latencies, etc?

I'm not that skilled in the ways of RAM..check out the Memory and Storage section of the forum.. They can help you out alot more than I can.

I just know the lower the better on Timings. For your modest overclocking that you'll be doing...I'm just saying that you should invest in at least mid-grade ram.

If your a crazy tweaker and want to get like...MAX overclock..then worry alot about the timings..etc

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

You can probably find low voltage (1.5v) 1333 CL7 or 6 ram for cheap. Anything running 1.65v at it's stated speed will be all you'll ever get out of the sticks cause #1, you do not want to go over 1.65v because of some Intel spec, hence the advertised ram speed is probably your limit. If you had 1333 at 1.5v and low latency, you have a good set of memory chips in the sticks.

My ram kit in Rig2 is rated at CL7 with voltage of 1.5-1.6. I am able to push 1.609v at CL6 @ 1333Mhz - so you see I had room to play with my timings and voltage.

 

[rydikulos]

You can probably find low voltage (1.5v) 1333 CL7 or 6 ram for cheap. Anything running 1.65v at it's stated speed will be all you'll ever get out of the sticks cause #1, you do not want to go over 1.65v because of some Intel spec, hence the advertised ram speed is probably your limit. If you had 1333 at 1.5v and low latency, you have a good set of memory chips in the sticks.

My ram kit in Rig2 is rated at CL7 with voltage of 1.5-1.6. I am able to push 1.609v at CL6 @ 1333Mhz - so you see I had room to play with my timings and voltage.

You said that over 1.65v isn't recommended, but there are some modules which are @ 2.0v ??
Is it true that the lower timings, the better the ram ?
Are these timings good? 7-7-7-20 @ 1.65v
You can refer these; http://www.kingston.com/HyperX/Products/khx_ddr3.asp

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=3589

read that article