Upgrade Parent's Desktop?

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sleep

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i would just get a different os and add more ram. i had a similar computer, and the motherboard was only a am2. not too many cpus for it.
 

sm625

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An ssd boot drive and a fresh install would be great. Also you might wanna make sure that stock ram configuration is actually running in dual channel mode. I would not put it past HP to screw that up.
 

Cerb

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After reading though this is astonishing the amount of all of us want to save this pile of dirty dusty junk.

Upgrade the whole system. I am sure you want to hear that anyways. Everyone likes a new computer. Tell them to save the pictures and stuff on a disk them throw that thing out the window.

make a nice new quad core amd or whatever and let them pic the case out. Have fun with it. Why polish a turd?
Because we use and support PCs not dissimilar in performance, and for light use like the OP describes, they are still quite good machines.
 

ShadowVVL

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I own the same system and I use it for most of my day to day activities.

its a nice pc no real need to upgrade it just reinstall the os.

more ram wont help since it already has 3gbs and uses vista 32bit and they wont need more then 2 gbs of ram.



ssd would be the best upgrade but I dont think it supports AHCI mode so you might need a sata card that does.
 
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jacktesterson

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Definitly just need a video upgrade. Throw even a $30 5450 in it.

That 5600+ will do what they want with ease. Hell, I have a 5000+ in a system downstairs connected to a TV that will do 1080p
 

cebalrai

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Definitly just need a video upgrade. Throw even a $30 5450 in it.

That 5600+ will do what they want with ease. Hell, I have a 5000+ in a system downstairs connected to a TV that will do 1080p

Good Advice on this thread so far:


1) Throw in a cheap Radeon HD 5450. The IGP in that computer is pushed by even Aero. All the Flash on the web today really benefits from GPU support and the 6150 in there doesn't work for that purpose. Don't install a 6450, as many old motherboards are incompatible with the 6000-series.

2) Reinstall Vista. Yes it's annoying but worth it.


Terrible Advice on this thread:


1) Buying a whole new computer. This is completely unnecessary. We're nowhere near the point where 2.8 ghz dual-core computers should be thrown out.

2) Buying a SSD. Again, completely unnecessary for parents who simply want to run a web browser and Word.

3) Buying Windows 7. Unnecessary.

4) Buying more RAM. Completely unnecessary, especially if you install a cheap GPU which will free up system RAM. Even more unnecessary when you consider that you already have 3 GB of RAM and the 32-bit Vista can't address 4 GB.



I would also add that you should run a program such as HDD health to test the integrity of the hard drive. Aging and wearing down of mechanical performance in older drives is a major cause of slow down.
 

fuzzymath10

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Terrible Advice on this thread:


2) Buying a SSD. Again, completely unnecessary for parents who simply want to run a web browser and Word.

Parents are the type who install random stuff without caring (and then wonder why their desktop takes forever to show up), and who often shut off the computer when not in use (YMMV but that's my experience). These two reasons alone could justify a small SSD. Also, Vista is a good OS contrary to popular belief, but it does take longer than W7 to finally load up. Again, an SSD would help. I had a Core 2 Duo laptop that was a pain to cold boot with a 7200rpm drive using Vista x64, but was extremely snappy with an SSD. This was with 4GB RAM.

If an SSD is too costly+small, I imagine something like a Momentus XT would also be a good alternative. Anything to boost disk performance.
 

cebalrai

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Parents are the type who install random stuff without caring (and then wonder why their desktop takes forever to show up), and who often shut off the computer when not in use (YMMV but that's my experience). These two reasons alone could justify a small SSD. Also, Vista is a good OS contrary to popular belief, but it does take longer than W7 to finally load up. Again, an SSD would help. I had a Core 2 Duo laptop that was a pain to cold boot with a 7200rpm drive using Vista x64, but was extremely snappy with an SSD. This was with 4GB RAM.

If an SSD is too costly+small, I imagine something like a Momentus XT would also be a good alternative. Anything to boost disk performance.

Windows 7 boots faster than Vista largely because it loads drivers in a more sophisticated way. But the different isn't huge especially when a system doesn't have a ton of devices.

I still think an SSD on a computer for only the most basic uses is excessive. Vista doesn't even support TRIM, does it?
 

fuzzymath10

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Windows 7 boots faster than Vista largely because it loads drivers in a more sophisticated way. But the different isn't huge especially when a system doesn't have a ton of devices.

I still think an SSD on a computer for only the most basic uses is excessive. Vista doesn't even support TRIM, does it?

SSDs might still be too small and expensive to justify for everyone, but it makes a PC feel more like an appliance. Nobody likes to wait for things to load, or wonder if the computer froze because they clicked an icon and nothing happened because the disk is thrashing (which happens a lot for the typical user). Unfortunately when the cylindrical disk LED flashes for a minute, too many assume it's because their CPU is slow or they don't have enough memory, neither of which should be issues today.

I totally forgot about the lack of trim. My SSD at the time was an Intel X25-M G1 so it didn't matter but I've read that many newer SSDs do okay without it (can't say for sure).
 

cebalrai

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SSDs might still be too small and expensive to justify for everyone, but it makes a PC feel more like an appliance. Nobody likes to wait for things to load, or wonder if the computer froze because they clicked an icon and nothing happened because the disk is thrashing (which happens a lot for the typical user). Unfortunately when the cylindrical disk LED flashes for a minute, too many assume it's because their CPU is slow or they don't have enough memory, neither of which should be issues today.

I totally forgot about the lack of trim. My SSD at the time was an Intel X25-M G1 so it didn't matter but I've read that many newer SSDs do okay without it (can't say for sure).


No doubt SSDs make a big difference. But what are they loading that's painfully slow? Firefox?.... Really? :|

Go to espn.com on a computer running a 6150 IGP and you get an annoyingly slow experience from all the Flash bits hitting the CPU. And since Flash and other web features get more common and more complex all the time, this problem is just going to be even worse a year from now. A SSD isn't going to help much either.

Newegg and Tiger sell Radeon HD 5450s for $34.99.
 

SonicIce

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can u disable the graphical effects in vista? then you wouldn't need to upgrade.
 

cebalrai

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can u disable the graphical effects in vista? then you wouldn't need to upgrade.


Well then you get ugly internet.

One other benefit from dropping in a HD 5450 is that you'd recover 512 mb of system RAM that the 6150 is using. All for $35.
 

Brutus04

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Are you gonna build something? I'd go for an Intel i3 with WIN 7, w/new RAM (4GB).
 

cebalrai

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Are you gonna build something? I'd go for an Intel i3 with WIN 7, w/new RAM (4GB).

I'd go with a Zacate for a parents' computer.

E-350 + Mobo = $100 on Newegg
4 GB DDR3 1333 Crucial RAM = $28 on mwave
Rosewill ITX case w/power supply = $50
Windows 7 OEM = $100
HDD = $0 for using the one his parents already have


$278 for a whole new computer. And the E-450s are coming out any day now.
 

nyker96

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i have to say an e-350 will save money in terms of electricity usage over long run. e350 is a good option to consider since it essentially need just about 60-70W under load. idles even less. could save electricity bills over time.
 

nenforcer

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Unfortunately the best possible CPU upgrade for that board may only be an Opteron 1212 - Opteron 1220 AM2 and I'm not even sure this would work.

I'm guessing that system is 4-5 years old now and could possibly be rejuvenated with a new CPU, video card, Windows 7 x64 and possibly more RAM. (2 X 2 GB Dual Channel)

Windows 7 will be by far the most expensive upgrade component.

Low end machines like that work great for the first couple of years but aren't really upgrade-able after that to extend the life time like a higher end build may be.

Do not however, upgrade to an AMD E-350 as people above are recommending, as the current CPU is noticeably faster than that thing despite it being new.
 

Bryf50

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I'd go with a Zacate for a parents' computer.

E-350 + Mobo = $100 on Newegg
4 GB DDR3 1333 Crucial RAM = $28 on mwave
Rosewill ITX case w/power supply = $50
Windows 7 OEM = $100
HDD = $0 for using the one his parents already have


$278 for a whole new computer. And the E-450s are coming out any day now.
So his parents computer is sluggish and your suggestion is to "upgrade" to something that is literally half as fast. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/30?vs=328

Anyway I promise you op that a fresh install of Windows 7 is the single biggest upgrade you can do for this computer. If you feel like dropping a little more money then a cheap SSD as well. Imo its been years since modern CPU upgrades have made a difference to web browsing and operating system use. And 3GBs of Ram is fine as long as the OS is running relatively clean.
 
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cebalrai

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So his parents computer is sluggish and your suggestion is to "upgrade" to something that is literally half as fast. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/30?vs=328

Anyway I promise you op that a fresh install of Windows 7 is the single biggest upgrade you can do for this computer. If you feel like dropping a little more money then a cheap SSD as well. Imo its been years since modern CPU upgrades have made a difference to web browsing and operating system use. And 3GBs of Ram is fine as long as the OS is running relatively clean.

What? I just said don't upgrade. But if I was buying a computer that just needed to run Hotmail and Netflix then yes I would buy something low power and cheap.

Buying Windows 7 like you advise is pointless. The OP's computer is not slow because it's running Vista. It might boot a few seconds slower but that's not something you spend $100 on to improve.

And an SSD for an email checking computer? Also preposterously unnecessary...


Regardless, your benchmarks don't mean much at all. The user for this computer is never going to run CPU-intensive tasks, ever. So it's silly to point out that one can run CPU intensive tasks better than the other one.
 
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No offense meant, but I would see no reason to get them a Zacate E-350 system. The CPU is weak, and the graphics could easily be passed up by a cheap discrete card in the system that they have. I tried a Zacate system in best buy, and it took forever even to load Word. I saw this processer in a netbook form factor and it seemed really nice. I just dont see any place for it in even a large notebook, much less a desktop.

It would save a bit of power, but is it really that significant?? Maybe a few dollars a month at most. If you save 50 watts times 24 hours per day, that is 1.2 kwhours per day, or what 15 or 20 cents per day depending on the price of electricity.
 

toyota

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I'd go with a Zacate for a parents' computer.

E-350 + Mobo = $100 on Newegg
4 GB DDR3 1333 Crucial RAM = $28 on mwave
Rosewill ITX case w/power supply = $50
Windows 7 OEM = $100
HDD = $0 for using the one his parents already have


$278 for a whole new computer. And the E-450s are coming out any day now.
sorry but Zacate is just too damn slow for a modern setup. they might as well go buy a 6-7 year old computer at a garage sale if that's the the kind of performance that satisfies them. even my parents noticed how much slower it was than their old 4200 X2 pc.
 

toyota

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Well then you get ugly internet.

One other benefit from dropping in a HD 5450 is that you'd recover 512 mb of system RAM that the 6150 is using. All for $35.
6150 does not use that much ram from what I remember. I think the options in the BIOS were 32/64/128 and maybe 256.
 

cebalrai

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No offense meant, but I would see no reason to get them a Zacate E-350 system. The CPU is weak, and the graphics could easily be passed up by a cheap discrete card in the system that they have. I tried a Zacate system in best buy, and it took forever even to load Word. I saw this processer in a netbook form factor and it seemed really nice. I just dont see any place for it in even a large notebook, much less a desktop.

It would save a bit of power, but is it really that significant?? Maybe a few dollars a month at most. If you save 50 watts times 24 hours per day, that is 1.2 kwhours per day, or what 15 or 20 cents per day depending on the price of electricity.


Of course the CPU is weak. But for a the rigorous demands of, um... Hotmail is it perfectly okay? Absolutely.

If it took forever to start Word it was because something was amiss. You probably started Word for the first time on that display model computer which always takes longer. I've kicked around a coworker's MSI CR650 with an E-350 and things load slightly slower but nothing takes "forever". I'm not saying the Zacate CPU is fast, just that it doesn't matter much when the user doesn't do CPU-intensive tasks.

And of course getting off this tangent for a moment, I stated my advice is that the OP simply drop in a $35 HD 5450 and reinstall Windows.
 
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infoiltrator

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Video card is a good idea, a 4670 might be better. Check Microsoft Fix It for Vista.
REIMAGE software is good for people who don't understand pcs if you can get them to use it periodically. At least it works for several people I know.
A new Hard Drive might be a cheaper alternative to an SSD.
 

ShadowVVL

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well this system has a 300w max psu so video card will require a new psu.

I believe its 260w continuous.
 
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