upgrade path for a s939?

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bryanW1995

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OPT 175 is 11x200, 180 is 12x200, 185 is 13x200.

I think my mobo is hitting its limit. I couldn't get the 180 stable over 2500 last night. I took out the zalman for use later in the Q6600 so I'm using stock cooking. I'll try upping the voltage tonight to see if I can get anything better.

The dual core runs 8-9c hotter at 2400 than the single core fx55 at 2888.
 

MarcVenice

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bryan you couldn't get your mobo to do a fsb of 210? Thats some serious crappyness for sure ...
 

dahuang1

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$115 at NE the 170 seemed like a good deal. Hopefully it will be a good upgrade for my 2 year old 3000+ winchester running @ 2.4 for a year now.
 

bryanW1995

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get this: I dumped the fx55 in my crappy $49 biostar mobo that I bought for my file server and got a better oc out of that computer! And that's using the crappy stock cooler that I originally got for my 3700+. I think I'm going to try out the opteron in the other mobo and put the fx55 back in this one. I am up to 214 fsb right now, but that still sux.
 

bryanW1995

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wow, that's a good deal on a 175. The retail was 154.95 yesterday...I knew they were going to drop the prices on me....ba$tards!
 

MarcVenice

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bryan I can't honestly believe a mobo won't do more then 215fsb It just can't be so lol. I'm not sure about how much of an expert oc-er you are, but I bet your doing something wrong. Like, did you lock the pci bus at 100, and that other 'thing' at 33.33 mhz ? Are you trying to OC your ram ? Maybe you should use a divider. Voltage probably ain't needed on a oc that small but will be if you go up to 250-275fsb.
 

dahuang1

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Sorry - that's my bad - it was for a 170. Still, a good deal! I have my 3000+ @ 9x265. I have had it up to 333 etc before, but not stable.. and I don't remember how I got it to boot then either... probably turned down the timings and ram a lot. Maybe the new chip will help get a higher Hz, or just a higher multi?
 

kadajawi

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Hm... I'm in the same situation, got a 3200+ @2,4 GHz, but I want more. Why should I get an Opteron? There is quite a price difference to the X2 3800+, shouldn't that OC well too?

And what about the E2140/E2160 route... doesn't make sense? I do want to upgrade RAM as well. Guess I have to find out what people are willing to pay for my old stuff. And I'd probably want to upgrade to a quad core in a year or so, so maybe it makes more sense to upgrade to C2D now...
 

MarcVenice

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hmz, you could go am2+ and get a cheapass x2 3800+ or so. And upgrade your ram. But you could also throw in a x2 3800+ s939, like I'm doing now, and hold out for a year, then get rid of the rig alltogether, or just keep it for good fun, and buy a new one. Right now I doubt youll get much for your system, and in a year it won't be much at all, but it will be able to serve you just fine for another year, for 80 bucks, just stick a x2 3800+ in it.
 

kadajawi

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Keeping the old system would be nice (renderfarm), but I doubt I can afford that.
AM2 makes no sense I think... the AM2 X2s are cheaper, RAM is cheaper, but that doesn't justify the new RAM and board. A E2140 doesn't cost much more and is by far faster. Only other thing that I would have to buy (over upgrading to AM2) would be a new CPU cooler.
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
bryan I can't honestly believe a mobo won't do more then 215fsb It just can't be so lol. I'm not sure about how much of an expert oc-er you are, but I bet your doing something wrong. Like, did you lock the pci bus at 100, and that other 'thing' at 33.33 mhz ? Are you trying to OC your ram ? Maybe you should use a divider. Voltage probably ain't needed on a oc that small but will be if you go up to 250-275fsb.
I read on another post today that you can cause major problems if you oc for too long. It wouldn't stay stable above 215 fsb with my fx55, but on that one I could change the multiplier at least. I tried memory dividers etc to no avail. Pci bus is locked at 100. I'm telling you, that thing just doesn't want to oc. We'll see what kind of success I have with the other board.
 

MAX32

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First of all u better consider about ur req. If u need upgrde only go for am2 or c2d. Otherwise wait untill both amd & intel introduces new platform. corz u r in new family.No need to worry about current situation. If u wanna be upgrated always; u would be a computer reseller. Ram also available (ram only the different frm existing tech.). As u know there are not much performance diff. between ddr1 & ddr2. So wait .............like me.........
 

MarcVenice

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Kadawi, slapping an 80 bucks s939 x2 3800+ in there is by FAR cheaper then getting a e2140 + a new mobo, not even mentioning the ram. And, a e2140 isn't by FAR faster, it doesn't warrant the new mobo and all that. Btw, rumour has it that AMD is cutting prices at the start of july by 20-40%. The Chinese commercial times wrote an article about it, let's see how fast AT picks it up, but can you imagine 140$ x2 6000's ? Those baby's are fast, paired with a cheaper mobo, they could still give a e6600 a run for their money.
 

kadajawi

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Hm... there is no performance difference between DDR1 and 2, but there is a quite big price difference. Considering that a X2 3800+ should get around 2.6, 2.7 GHz while E2140s do maybe 3.0-3.4 GHz, somewhat in that area (might be a bit hard cause I don't have too much money to spend on a decent board, but I recon it could be done), I expect the X2 to be a bit more than twice as fast as my current CPU in my applications and the E2140 to be about thrice as fast. So it all depends on what I can get for my old hardware. I've seen boards like mine that sell for 40-50 ? (they are more popular though) while a decent second hand P965 board can be had for 60-70 ?, I save 10 ? on the CPU, change the cpu cooler with little losses and maybe loose 10 ? on the RAM + later upgrade for less. + I should be able to stick in a quad core later.

Yeah, AMD is cutting prices, but I doubt for the low end, especially not for the S939. There is quite a difference between S939 and AM2 CPUs, eventhough they are essentially the same or the AM2 are better. A $140 6000+ doesn't interest me that much because the price is too high for what I get, even when I OC the thing. AMD should really continue to make S939 CPUs, they won't get anyone who want to switch to a new platform to chose AM2, except for new cheap/energy saving systems that would be built around the AM2 anyway no matter what they do with the S939. But there are quite a few people I think that would upgrade their S939 system, thus giving AMD some cash, if the S939 CPUs would be more attractive, e.g. 65nm, faster, cheaper, lower energy consumption.
 

doggyfromplanetwoof

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Originally posted by: MAX32
First of all u better consider about ur req. If u need upgrde only go for am2 or c2d. Otherwise wait untill both amd & intel introduces new platform. corz u r in new family.No need to worry about current situation. If u wanna be upgrated always; u would be a computer reseller. Ram also available (ram only the different frm existing tech.). As u know there are not much performance diff. between ddr1 & ddr2. So wait .............like me.........

Damn man,

My head was hurting, but after reading that. It is pounding!!

Anyways, I say get a opty (Any will do), but I am getting a opty170 2.4 and OC to 2.6 (stable, easy, no milfs) for my HTPC/Gaming system.

I am skipping DDR2 and sticking with socket 939, toss in a new video card and i'll be good to go. Honestly, if you game, video cards is where its at. Get a dual core cpu and 2GB of ram and you will be good for years to come.

CPU's arn't getting faster, they are just getting more cores / more efficient and until programs and games take advantage of that, the basics will be fine.
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
bryan I can't honestly believe a mobo won't do more then 215fsb It just can't be so lol. I'm not sure about how much of an expert oc-er you are, but I bet your doing something wrong. Like, did you lock the pci bus at 100, and that other 'thing' at 33.33 mhz ? Are you trying to OC your ram ? Maybe you should use a divider. Voltage probably ain't needed on a oc that small but will be if you go up to 250-275fsb.
yeah, um, the mobo died on me last night. At least I know it wasn't my inability to oc... Tried to rma processor at newegg but today was the 7th day! Oh, well, I'll just get a cheap 939 board and try again... it's only for 45 days...
 

bryanW1995

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May 22, 2007
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Doggy, an opt 170 is 10x200 at stock. You should be able to get it to 2.6 without a problem, however. That is, unless you have an msi k8n neo4 platinum that is about to die, then you will just kill it like I did.
 

MarcVenice

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get a asus board and maybe your mobo died because of a crappy psu, have you considered that ?

btw, did I just get an error saying I used a censored word in my post ? I said the dreadfull S word ??? OH no tell me it ain't so !
 

doggyfromplanetwoof

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Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Doggy, an opt 170 is 10x200 at stock. You should be able to get it to 2.6 without a problem, however. That is, unless you have an msi k8n neo4 platinum that is about to die, then you will just kill it like I did.

I have a Jetway A210 GDMS-pro(ATI Xpress200 chipset), which can overclock to 240 with ease, but this is going into my 'silent' HTPC/gaming system and no need for extreme overclocking until I get a l33t water cooling system, until than, I will keep it around 220FSB.
 

MarcVenice

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hmz my pretty much budget but not total crap mobo asus a8n5x will do 270fsb pretty easily, at 9 multi that makes it 2.43ghz. But I used to do 240 and overclock my ram to 480ddr. Did you use a memory divider doggy ? Coz I topped out at 240 without using a memory divider, but then it just kept going to 270.
 

doggyfromplanetwoof

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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
hmz my pretty much budget but not total crap mobo asus a8n5x will do 270fsb pretty easily, at 9 multi that makes it 2.43ghz. But I used to do 240 and overclock my ram to 480ddr. Did you use a memory divider doggy ? Coz I topped out at 240 without using a memory divider, but then it just kept going to 270.

The board I have, a210 gdms, is mATX. The IDE channels shuts off above 230(not used anyways) and sata 1 cuts off. I do have ram dividers, but no pcie lock. Thus 240 might be my max. This is going into a system that runs 24/7 for recording/gaming... Might just end up getting a 2.4 call it quits.
 

bryanW1995

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Marc, that is entirely possible re the bad ps. I didn't think of that b/c I have been messing with the mobo voltages quite a bit lately. Also, when I got it 2 yrs ago I had no idea how to oc so I have probably caused my own problems!
 

MarcVenice

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doggy, a mobo with a pcie lock can be locked, if im not mistaken, you just have to place the HD's in the right sata slots. You could do some homework on it, and perhaps you can get past 2.4 But I could be wrong too, sometimes mobo's with pcie locks don't actually work like they are supposed to.
 

kadajawi

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I'm not gaming... well, ok, sometimes I am, but that's not where my priority lies. I need a lot of CPU power for rendering stuff... getting a decent image takes at least 10-20 hours with my current CPU, so getting something faster...

My Abit AT8 does 240 easily, have gone to 270 but haven't tried if that is stable, since my CPU only goes there with overvolting, and I don't like to do that. I will however go as fast as the CPU can without overvolting, always been doing that or even more, never had any problem.

What's the PSU you're using, bryan?
 
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