Upgrade to 390x or 980Ti?

[Jhatfie]

Like some others, I'd say wait if possible.

I actually just sold my 980ti for $550 locally ($25 less than I got it for new) and picked up a super cheap XFX R9 390 to hold me over until I can see what the new cards have to offer.

 

[moonbogg]

only way I see a 390X performing on par with a 980Ti is a game using Async Compute a lot and not having any way to disable it on the 980Ti

or some BS like what happened with GoW with the game being optimized for one vendor and ignoring the other

Or Nvidia simply lets Maxwell go straight to hell so that people will buy Pascal.

 

[poofyhairguy]

If you think that will ever happen you're delusional.

Then he is delusional.

And note that the 390x is winning even in Directx 11, so it isn't some async trick.

 

[Leyawiin]

A game (especially on release) favors one company over the other? Well that's never happened before. Lets extrapolate it into a complete and instantaneous jettisoning of driver support for dark marketing plans.

 

[Headfoot]

Wait for the new cards to drop in June

 

[moonbogg]

A game (especially on release) favors one company over the other? Well that's never happened before. Lets extrapolate it into a complete and instantaneous jettisoning of driver support for dark marketing plans.

Sounds reasonable to me. Nvidia stands to profit greatly by doing so. I don't see where its a conspiracy or anything or even a big deal. They simply offer new products more support than older ones. I'd rather just be aware of it and accept it for what it is rather than pretend that my Nvidia GPU's will continue to perform simply because they were high end models.
You see, to Nvidia, drivers are like a coat of paint. They use them to make the product look nice and shiny so that you will buy it, but don't be surprised that when the paint chips and fades Nvidia doesn't come running out to give it a new coat for you. We already bought it. Mission accomplished.
The new message is, "Now shut the hell up, open your wallet and buy our new card, you useless, annoying, mouth breathing gamer-tard. I have a new Ferrari on order and that sh&t ain't paying for itself".

 

[poofyhairguy]

A game (especially on release) favors one company over the other? Well that's never happened before.

Ashes also shows a 390x outdoing a 980 ti as well:

So it isn't one game.

I predict Maxwell GPUs are going to age WAY worse than Kepler. Because not only will its owners have to deal with the Kepler Cancer that is unoptimized drivers, but they will have to deal with a Directx 12 that seems almost custom made for GCN. Three years from now the 980 ti matching a 390x will be common, and a GPU like a GTX 970 will be barely keep the 380X at bay.

 

[Stuka87]

If you think that will ever happen you're delusional.

Whent he 290X came out, the 780Ti was faster than it in most cases. Now, two years later, the 780Ti is significantly slower than The 390X (Which is a 290X with more memory). And the 390X is beating the 980 in the majority of games these days.

I think in is completely reasonable to see the same poor aging with Maxwell cards as we are currently seeing with Kepler cards.

 

[Stuka87]

I have the 390 but what is the x stand for?

There are two versions of the chip used. The 390X uses the full version, the 390 has a cut version. So in the end, the 390X is a little faster than the 390.

 

[escrow4]

Not US prices, but the difference here is a 390X is $600 or just under, a 980 is $700 and a 390 is just under $500. I'll need a new GPU for Doom 4, the other stopgap is a 380 for $300.

 

[Mercennarius]

Not US prices, but the difference here is a 390X is $600 or just under, a 980 is $700 and a 390 is just under $500. I'll need a new GPU for Doom 4, the other stopgap is a 380 for $300.

How much is a 980 TI there?

 

[moonbogg]

So how much is a 980ti then? Like $1,500?

 

[poofyhairguy]

So how much is a 980ti then? Like $1,500?

The Titan X doesn't even have a price listed. It just says "your kidney" on the sticker.

 

[tential]

So how much is a 980ti then? Like $1,500?

When you ask for a 980Ti, they just take what they want from you. Whatever they want, your pride, your dignity, your soul. 980ti life isn't cheap there, but it's still worth it.

 

[moonbogg]

lol Jesus Christ.

 

[escrow4]

So how much is a 980ti then? Like $1,500?

Roughly $1100, give or take a hundred. Same with the 780 Ti, same with the Titan.

 

[MrTeal]

How much is a 980 TI there?

So how much is a 980ti then? Like $1,500?

Roughly $1100, give or take a hundred. Same with the 780 Ti, same with the Titan.

Where are you located? That's a pretty weird ratio. In Canada, I just bought a 390 for $440 (it'll be $420 once the rebate comes back) and a 390X is pretty much the same as yours at $580AR, but a 980 Ti is only $850.

 

[Silverforce11]

If you think that will ever happen you're delusional.

Do you remember the 7970 vs 780 or Titan? Same performance delta as the 390X vs 980Ti.

Have you not noticed lots of recent games where the 7970Ghz/280X is matching the 780 and Titan?

I predict Maxwell GPUs are going to age WAY worse than Kepler. Because not only will its owners have to deal with the Kepler Cancer that is unoptimized drivers, but they will have to deal with a Directx 12 that seems almost custom made for GCN. Three years from now the 980 ti matching a 390x will be common, and a GPU like a GTX 970 will be barely keep the 380X at bay.

3 years is too optimistic for the 980Ti, more like 2017. When all the major AAA games are fully GCN optimized as studios labor to extract the last drop of performance from weak consoles. Also, big studios will have to go with DX12 purely for marketing reasons and it has to be good else they get a bad rep (just look at Ubisoft's recent camp switch!).

 

[escrow4]

Where are you located? That's a pretty weird ratio. In Canada, I just bought a 390 for $440 (it'll be $420 once the rebate comes back) and a 390X is pretty much the same as yours at $580AR, but a 980 Ti is only $850.

Halfway across the world. I'll be picking up a Sapphire Nitro 390 soon I think. Not going Nvidia this time.

 

[RussianSensation]

Not US prices, but the difference here is a 390X is $600 or just under, a 980 is $700 and a 390 is just under $500. I'll need a new GPU for Doom 4, the other stopgap is a 380 for $300.

Halfway across the world. I'll be picking up a Sapphire Nitro 390 soon I think. Not going Nvidia this time.

Doom is slated to come out May 13th. It's possible that by then there could be more clarity about Polaris/Pascal's launch dates; or price drops on clearance 390/X cards. Generally speaking I don't like buying a GPU specifically for a game that hasn't come out yet since we don't know for sure what the performance will be across various configs. Alternatively, have you considered looking into used after-market R9 290/290X cards? Max overclocked, performance will be very similar to an after-market 390/390X for way less cost due to the R9 290 series' tarnished reputation. At least here in Canada the price disparity between a used 290/290X and 390X can be massive if you have the patience to hunt one down. I just picked up an R9 295X2 for less than what a single AIO CLC R9 390X costs. If you decide to do some Ethereum mining though, then ya buying a 390 ASAP could make sense too.

 

[MrTeal]

Doom is slated to come out May 13th. It's possible that by then there could be more clarity about Polaris/Pascal's launch dates; or price drops on clearance 390/X cards. Generally speaking I don't like buying a GPU specifically for a game that hasn't come out yet since we don't know for sure what the performance will be across various configs. Alternatively, have you considered looking into used after-market R9 290/290X cards? Max overclocked, performance will be very similar to an after-market 390/390X for way less cost due to the R9 290 series' tarnished reputation. At least here in Canada the price disparity between a used 290/290X and 390X can be massive if you have the patience to hunt one down. I just picked up an R9 295X2 for less than what a single AIO CLC R9 390X costs. If you decide to do some Ethereum mining though, then ya buying a 390 ASAP could make sense too.

Out of curiosity, did you pick up the 295X2 used, or has new stock reappeared somewhere recently?

 

[poofyhairguy]

I just picked up an R9 295X2 for less than what a single AIO CLC R9 390X costs.

Nice upgrade from the 7970 CF RS.

 

[Leyawiin]

Whent he 290X came out, the 780Ti was faster than it in most cases. Now, two years later, the 780Ti is significantly slower than The 390X (Which is a 290X with more memory). And the 390X is beating the 980 in the majority of games these days.

I think in is completely reasonable to see the same poor aging with Maxwell cards as we are currently seeing with Kepler cards.

The GTX 780 Ti and R9 290X are neck and neck now.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_980_Ti_Matrix/23.html

The R9 290X was about 10% slower in relation to the GTX 780 Ti two years ago. I would think its catch up is due more to much improved Catalyst drivers than GeForce driver neglect.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_290X_Direct_Cu_II_OC/24.html

So much hyperbole and conspiracy theorizing regarding NV. I'm not surprised though - that's how AT forums swing. The GTX 980 Ti is anywhere from 22 to 30 percent faster than an R9 390X. It also costs a lot more. I wouldn't spend the money on it but I would consider a GTX 980.... which is just about dead even with an R9 390X for about $40 more.

 

[OVerLoRDI]

I'm kind of on the fence here. On one hand, the 980 Ti is an amazing card. On the other, a 390X and 100 bottles of Lagunitas Maximus might provide a better gaming experience.

This man speaks wisdom.

Or you could keep all the money and have lots of beer and buy a next gen card later this year/early 2017

 

[IEC]

The GTX 780 Ti and R9 290X are neck and neck now.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_980_Ti_Matrix/23.html

The R9 290X was about 10% slower in relation to the GTX 780 Ti two years ago. I would think its catch up is due more to much improved Catalyst drivers than GeForce driver neglect.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_290X_Direct_Cu_II_OC/24.html

So much hyperbole and conspiracy theorizing regarding NV. I'm not surprised though - that's how AT forums swing. The GTX 980 Ti is anywhere from 22 to 30 percent faster than an R9 390X. It also costs a lot more. I wouldn't spend the money on it but I would consider a GTX 980.... which is just about dead even with an R9 390X for about $40 more.

There is no need for conspiracy or hyperbole. It is simply good for business to entice consumers to upgrade. If they can be coaxed to upgrade by not focusing as much effort on previous generation hardware's drivers/optimization (saving money... and ultimately resulting in a larger performance differential over time) then it is a win for profit (and thus, the shareholders).

Gsync is a particularly big win for profit as well. Not only is there the initial cost of licensing + hardware, it is effective vendor lock because the ~$200 premium the consumer paid makes them reluctant to switch vendors. As we've already seen here and on other forums.

Meanwhile, AMD only FINALLY woke up and discontinued updates for VLIW based cards. You'd think stopping the bleeding would have been a bigger priority for them, lol.

If you want the best current performance (and likely still competitive until 2017) then get a 980 Ti. Just don't be surprised when it gets beat by a card half the price in about a year like what happened with the 780 Ti. Someone's gotta stuff my EPS