Upgrading 1155 Motherboard and Keeping 2500k

CoBRaXT

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I currently have a Gigabyte Z68 motherboard with a 2500k. While it still works fine, it is pretty terrible at overclocking and I can barely hit 4ghz since the power settings are so finicky.

Would it be smart to get a Z77 board and keep the chip? Or would it be better to just go a whole new mobo and CPU completely? I just find it hard to justify spending $300-$400 if a small increase could be had for under $100 by just getting a decent 1155 mobo and oc'ing the 2500k.

This would be for a gaming build with an existing GTX 980.

Thanks!
 
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I don't think going past 4GHz will get you very much performance. It's probably not worth bothering. (4.5GHz would be an extra 12.5% clock speed, which probably wouldn't help much unless you were very hard-limited by your CPU speed.)

That said, a good OCing Z77 motherboard would probably be another, like, $150-$200. (They're rare these days.)

An SSD, if you don't have one, would probably be a better choice.
 

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I don't think going past 4GHz will get you very much performance. It's probably not worth bothering. (4.5GHz would be an extra 12.5% clock speed, which probably wouldn't help much unless you were very hard-limited by your CPU speed.)

That said, a good OCing Z77 motherboard would probably be another, like, $150-$200. (They're rare these days.)

An SSD, if you don't have one, would probably be a better choice.

Great, thanks the tip. I'll probably hold off on a replacement mobo then and just save that money for a future upgrade. Is there any cpu/mobo combination that would be worth upgrading to today or should I just wait it out? I would be reusing everything else (16gb ddr3 1866, evo 850 ssd) if that makes a difference.
 

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I don't think going past 4GHz will get you very much performance. It's probably not worth bothering. (4.5GHz would be an extra 12.5% clock speed, which probably wouldn't help much unless you were very hard-limited by your CPU speed.)

That said, a good OCing Z77 motherboard would probably be another, like, $150-$200. (They're rare these days.)

An SSD, if you don't have one, would probably be a better choice.

I'm pinching myself -- to make sure that I really did remember some two threads in which posters asked this question, and both over the past couple months.

Right now, I find one board still selling at the Egg, which had some good reviews, good phase-power-design and OC'ing prospects, and isn't "out of stock:"

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...re=Asrock_Z77_Extreme4-_-13-157-293-_-Product

If you look harder, you MIGHT find an ASUS board, but these AsRock boards have been the only remaining 1155 SB, IB -K -ready that I've found at resellers lately.

Someone else found some new boards at Amazon. Amazon also fields used-perfect-condtion or used-like-new boards.

Last fall, I found a bundle from another enthusiast for an ASUS Sabertooth Z77, i5-3570K and 4x4GB Corsair XMS3 1600's -- all at less than half of retail with a year's TLC wear-and-tear. Price-wise, the Sabertooth would be offered for "upper-mid-tier." Other boards you might look for persistently include the ASUS P8P68 -V Pro/Gen3, the ASUS P8P77 -V Pro or Deluxe, or someone offering a never-abused Maximum IV Extreme or "MIVE" or Maximus V Extreme for half what they'd paid for it -- or less (just to come close to your own budget target of $100.)

Finally, I bought a P8Z68-V Pro/Gen3 with the final BIOS edition, in the box but missing the I/O backplate, for $85 at an outfit named AscendTech.

AscendTech develops a corporate clientele and customer-base so that it can acquire surplus IT assets, damaged units and full-functioning items alike. It then tests, refurbishes, and sells at a different storefront -- to you and me. Just the photo theme at their "green" web-page explains it all. The other store-front is a tab on that page.

I checked www.ascendtech.com recently for Skt-1155 Z68/Gen3 and Z77 boards, and there aren't now any offered for ASUS, but it changes week-to-week. There were some ECS boards available. I didn't look for Gigabyte, AsRock, MSI etc.

Also, look for any m-ATX board versions for the aforementioned model lines. Last year, there were some good bundles from small computer shops on E-Bay. There's a risk to buying used items, but if you take your time and hunt patiently, you can reduce that risk and maybe get your board for ~ $100.
 
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It occurs to me that Gigabyte isn't usually crap - it's possible that your <=4GHz OC is because you got a CPU without a lot of OC headroom. Every chip is different, OCs not guaranteed, etc.

Great, thanks the tip. I'll probably hold off on a replacement mobo then and just save that money for a future upgrade. Is there any cpu/mobo combination that would be worth upgrading to today or should I just wait it out? I would be reusing everything else (16gb ddr3 1866, evo 850 ssd) if that makes a difference.

Personally, I don't think so. Stock to stock comparison of the 2500k and its current-gen counterpart shows only small speed differences. (Except for the IGP benchmarks)

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/288?vs=1261

A lucky-good OC on the 4690K might be dramatic enough of a difference to impress you sometimes, but there's a certain fudge-factor with this stuff - benchmark results don't necessarily translate to subjective "snappiness" while you're sitting in front of the computer. Depending on how you use the computer, you might not even notice the difference.

I'm in a similar situation (two and a half year old 3570K, 4GHz OC) and am figuring I'll probably sit tight for a couple more years (maybe a RAM upgrade...). If you do wait for next-gen, you'll probably have to buy DDR4, though
 
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CoBRaXT

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It occurs to me that Gigabyte isn't usually crap - it's possible that your <=4GHz OC is because you got a CPU without a lot of OC headroom. Every chip is different, OCs not guaranteed, etc.



Personally, I don't think so. Stock to stock comparison of the 2500k and its current-gen counterpart shows only small speed differences. (Except for the IGP benchmarks)

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/288?vs=1261

A lucky-good OC on the 4690K might be dramatic enough of a difference to impress you sometimes, but there's a certain fudge-factor with this stuff - benchmark results don't necessarily translate to subjective "snappiness" while you're sitting in front of the computer. Depending on how you use the computer, you might not even notice the difference.

I'm in a similar situation (two and a half year old 3570K, 4GHz OC) and am figuring I'll probably sit tight for a couple more years (maybe a RAM upgrade...). If you do wait for next-gen, you'll probably have to buy DDR4, though

Awesome, thanks for the great info!
 

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Should there be a sub-forum for Sandy Bridge commiseration?

I've been trying to forge a final plan to build a system for two years. First it was going to be an IB-E /X79 system. Then it was going to be a Haswell-E system. Now I'm thinking "the end of this year . . . maybe . . "

And with these CPUs -- a 2600K and a 2700K -- it seems like I could take my time forever. But maybe "forever" is a bit too ambitious . . .
 
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Should there be a sub-forum for Sandy Bridge commiseration?

I've been trying to forge a final plan to build a system for two years. First it was going to be an IB-E /X79 system. Then it was going to be a Haswell-E system. Now I'm thinking "the end of this year . . . maybe . . "

And with these CPUs -- a 2600K and a 2700K -- it seems like I could take my time forever. But maybe "forever" is a bit too ambitious . . .
Make it SB/IVB commiseration and I'm there.

"My computer's too fast. I can't justify upgrading it! Waaah!"
 

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I5 2500k @ 4.0ghz bottlenecks some games, like Witcher 3. Sometimes I'm hitting 100% usage on all 4 cores in Witcher 3 pushing an R9 390. Its not a major bottleneck, but its there. You'd probably need a 4.5+ghz OC on the 2500k to be out of bottleneck territory for Witcher 3 with an R9 390. Dragon Age Inquisition also has a CPU bottleneck pushing an R9 390. You'd definitely bottleneck a lot of games with a 980. For the ones saying an I5 2500k is fine, that depends on the game, and if games get any more CPU intensive than W3 or DAI, then the I5 2500k is gonna run into some serious problems. I honestly didn't expect a single R9 390 to bottleneck my CPU, but I assumed 2 of them most certainly would so crossfire is off the table with this CPU.

I'm gonna upgrade as soon as the next gen of I7s comes out. Hope my 2500k gets me by till then. I'll probably give the CPU and mobo as a hand-me-down to my brother who's still using a Phenom II x4. For gaming its a decent upgrade over the Phenom II x4.
 
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I've been running an i7 2700k at 4.8Ghz on an ASUS P8 Z68ProV-Gen3 MB with CF XSPC RAZOR 290X's all under water with 16GB's of Samsung MV-3V4G3D-US DDR3 running at 1866 Mhz 9-9-9-24/1T at 1.35v's for the last couple years idling around 35C and topping 70C under extreme load without a Hic-Up.

Display is a 27" PLS QNIX 2510 Evo II 1440p running between 60 to 120Hz..

I score about 4700/2700 in Unigen Valley/Heaven with GPU's not clocked and 5100/3100 respectively with GPU's clocked.

Can be somewhat power hungry but I'm satisfied for the time being.

Can't understand why you can't get over 4Ghz with that SB i5 2500k on a Z68 Gigabyte MB unless you have cooling issues or don't know how to OC manually through BIOS.

What model of Gigabyte Z68 MB and PSU are you using?
 
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BonzaiDuck

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I've been running an i7 2700k at 4.8Ghz on an ASUS P8 Z68ProV-Gen3 MB with CF XSPC RAZOR 290X's all under water with 16GB's of Samsung MV-3V4G3D-US DDR3 running at 1866 Mhz 9-9-9-24/1T at 1.35v's for the last couple years idling around 35C and topping 70C under extreme load without a Hic-Up.

Display is a 27" PLS QNIX 2510 Evo II 1440p running between 60 to 120Hz..

I score about 4700/2700 in Unigen Valley/Heaven with GPU's not clocked and 5100/3100 respectively with GPU's clocked.

Can be somewhat power hungry but I'm satisfied for the time being.

Can't understand why you can't get over 4Ghz with that SB i5 2500k on a Z68 Gigabyte MB unless you have cooling issues or don't know how to OC manually through BIOS.

What model of Gigabyte Z68 MB and PSU are you using?

Well, like the robot "Number Five" said in "Short Circuit," I (we) "need more input." Maybe someone with the Giga board can point out the prescription for a stable OC, but -- hey -- it's "Z68." OP says "the power settings are so finicky." What does he mean by that?

Need more input! Number Five needs more input!
 

evident

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man... i can't even think of upgrading my I7-2600K. my "bottom of the barrel" gigabyte Z68MA-D2H-B3 motherboard that i got for free at microcenter is still plugging along, and i can get a modest overclock out of it (i just run stock now because i dont give a F)
 

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Frankly, you shouldn't even bother. Even if you got a realistic +400MHz clock that's only another 10% increment over your current 4GHz 2500K which will be an imperceptible real world gain in gaming, if any.

I would rather sell the whole thing off to invest in Skylake.
 

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What model of Gigabyte Z68 MB and PSU are you using?

TC is not the only one who had issues getting an I5 2500k past 4.0ghz on a Gigabyte Z68x UD4 B3 MB. The maximum mine will go is 4.2 stable, and its pushing 1.3v. It won't even boot up between 4.3-4.5 at any voltage (dead zone), and 4.6-4.7 isn't stable even at 1.4v and I'm not going any higher than that with a 212+ evo. Updated the bios from F8 to F10 and it changed absolutely nothing as far as overclocking goes. 4.2 is pretty much the limit of my chip unless I exceed 1.4v range and that's unknown territory. I'm using a Cooler Master silent pro 1200w gold. Got a deal on it a few years ago for $220 new. I was planning on pushing x2 6990s in quad Xfire but that never happened. If I ever get another Intel chip that's this bad at OCing, then I'll RMA it. I won't take another bottom of the barrel chip again.

This is the last gigabyte board I'm buying. Its not just TC, but I've heard others have issues with overclocking on gigabyte boards. Meanwhile I hear how easy people have got high OCs on Asus and Asrock boards. Besides Gigabytes bios UI sucks majorly.
 
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