Upgrading my pc after 7yrs

[tvfreak]

Since i'm not a serious gamer i don't think i want to spend that kind of money on a video card.
I should of bought those damn vid cards that were going for $200 earlier this month (radeon r9 270x's).

So what is all the rage for the radeon vid cards vs Nvidia?

What is the equivalent for a r9 270x for a Nvidia brand vid card? 660gtx?

here's a AMD radeon vision tek r9 270x
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...590_em_1p_2_ti

It seems this is way cheaper compared to the other brands but the same model.
Not sure why this is.

The 2 comments that were made by were from bitcoin miners. It seems its loud and not what's pictured.

Any of guys have any experience with visiontek?

It is shipped from tigerdirect.

 

[lehtv]

So what is all the rage for the radeon vid cards vs Nvidia?

I'm not sure what you're asking. Do you mean the litecoin mining boom? A while ago, litecoin miners dried out the supply of 280X's, causing price increases across the board for gaming class GPUs.

What is the equivalent for a r9 270x for a Nvidia brand vid card? 660gtx?

GTX 660 Ti is equivalent speed-wise but discontinued. GTX 760 is a few percent faster.

here's a AMD radeon vision tek r9 270x
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...590_em_1p_2_ti

It seems this is way cheaper compared to the other brands but the same model.
Not sure why this is.

Because they cut corners in cooler design and probably don't use any VRM heatsinks. I would not expect much from their customer service department either.

If you're going to buy a 270X, buy it from a major trusted brand like Asus, Gigabyte, MSI or Sapphire. Also, I recommend you settle for a 24" 1080p display for now.

 

[tvfreak]

its late and i need to go to bed lol.
My bad for not being clear. when i said what is the rage about radeon vs nvidia i meant is radeon a better video card vs. a nvidia video card.

I've seen the 27" monitors and i really like the larger size vs a 24".

I'm not sure what you're asking. Do you mean the litecoin mining boom? A while ago, litecoin miners dried out the supply of 280X's, causing price increases across the board for gaming class GPUs.



GTX 660 Ti is equivalent speed-wise but discontinued. GTX 760 is a few percent faster.



Because they cut corners in cooler design and probably don't use any VRM heatsinks. I would not expect much from their customer service department either.

If you're going to buy a 270X, buy it from a major trusted brand like Asus, Gigabyte, MSI or Sapphire. Also, I recommend you settle for a 24" 1080p display for now.

 

[Freddy1765]

If you're sitting at regular seating distance from the monitor (something like 60-70 cm), I think you'll be annoyed with a 27'' monitor at 1080p, and if your budget is still $1200, a 1440p monitor is quite a bit out of reach.
What is it about the 27'' that makes you think it's superior to something like a 22''-24'' display?

 

[BertolomeoDiaz]

if he watches videos on the monitor a 27" 1080p may be a good thing when he sits back a little on a comfy chair,
i mean his name is tvfreak, so watching stuff seems to be important part of the decision

if you´re into watching movies you might like one of those new 21:9 2560X1080 monitors
720p material an d many other formats play without cutting off anything or adding black bars on top or bottom
i have one, it´s really nice, run by a r9 270x, i consider it good gameplay even with that card
(some compromise has to be made, though, between max eye candy vs 60+ fps, depending on game; i usually go for eye candy, play mostly mmorpg)
(when i hang my sli770 setup on that monitor i do downsampling 3200x1300 = 1,25x1,25 for anti aliasing, that looks really really nice then, but you´d have to go gtx780 to do the same)
as i don´t have a tv, i watch everything on monitors, and that one is definitely nice
if it´s cinema format it fits, or interpolates to fit, perfectly
the ultra wide image is also nice for any first person perspective games, as you see a wider angle in front of you
pixel density is about the same as on a 23" 1920x1080, its just wider 3 inches on each side, hight is the same, so you can sit as close as with 23" monitor

sadly, thosed monitors are almost as expensive as 1440p ones
http://www.amazon.com/AOC-29-inch-IP...d_sim_sbs_pc_1

i have a different one, but that is crazy expensive on amazon, the aoc should be as good
http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics...pd_sim_sbs_e_6

or a asus one like you posted, just wider
http://www.amazon.com/MX299Q-29-Inch...ref=pd_cp_pc_3

value for budget wise i´d go with r9 280x or r9 270x
if you change your mind to 1440p, in my opinion a r9 280x would be sufficient
in some demanding games you might really have to compromise between 60+ fps or max settings, but as you said you are more of a casual gamer
and the compromise won´t be so bad, either: high instead of very high or 2 x msaa instead of 4 x msaa, that kind of thing
games will still look great

 

[tvfreak]

simply i prefer a larger screen. i may have to wait a bit longer and save up for a higher res monitor

If you're sitting at regular seating distance from the monitor (something like 60-70 cm), I think you'll be annoyed with a 27'' monitor at 1080p, and if your budget is still $1200, a 1440p monitor is quite a bit out of reach.
What is it about the 27'' that makes you think it's superior to something like a 22''-24'' display?

 

[tvfreak]

I've seen those monitors. they do look a little funky.
i may go with a 280x and hold off for a higher res monitor until i can save a bit more.

i do watch a lot of tv but i have 46" Samsung lcd.

How do those monitors handle gaming or movies ( fast action movies or games)?
any ghostings and what not?

if he watches videos on the monitor a 27" 1080p may be a good thing when he sits back a little on a comfy chair,
i mean his name is tvfreak, so watching stuff seems to be important part of the decision

if you´re into watching movies you might like one of those new 21:9 2560X1080 monitors
720p material an d many other formats play without cutting off anything or adding black bars on top or bottom
i have one, it´s really nice, run by a r9 270x, i consider it good gameplay even with that card
(some compromise has to be made, though, between max eye candy vs 60+ fps, depending on game; i usually go for eye candy, play mostly mmorpg)
(when i hang my sli770 setup on that monitor i do downsampling 3200x1300 = 1,25x1,25 for anti aliasing, that looks really really nice then, but you´d have to go gtx780 to do the same)
as i don´t have a tv, i watch everything on monitors, and that one is definitely nice
if it´s cinema format it fits, or interpolates to fit, perfectly
the ultra wide image is also nice for any first person perspective games, as you see a wider angle in front of you
pixel density is about the same as on a 23" 1920x1080, its just wider 3 inches on each side, hight is the same, so you can sit as close as with 23" monitor

sadly, thosed monitors are almost as expensive as 1440p ones
http://www.amazon.com/AOC-29-inch-IP...d_sim_sbs_pc_1

i have a different one, but that is crazy expensive on amazon, the aoc should be as good
http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics...pd_sim_sbs_e_6

or a asus one like you posted, just wider
http://www.amazon.com/MX299Q-29-Inch...ref=pd_cp_pc_3

value for budget wise i´d go with r9 280x or r9 270x
if you change your mind to 1440p, in my opinion a r9 280x would be sufficient
in some demanding games you might really have to compromise between 60+ fps or max settings, but as you said you are more of a casual gamer
and the compromise won´t be so bad, either: high instead of very high or 2 x msaa instead of 4 x msaa, that kind of thing
games will still look great

 

[mfenn]

its late and i need to go to bed lol.
My bad for not being clear. when i said what is the rage about radeon vs nvidia i meant is radeon a better video card vs. a nvidia video card.

Radeons are not inherently better than GeForces. Neither are GeForces inherently better than Radeons.

It all comes down to the performance you get versus the price you pay. Right now, the R9 270X is better priced than the GTX 760 for equivalent performance.

 

[tvfreak]

I c.
Well it sucks i missed my window. All i need is a vid card and wait for windows to be shipped and i'm finally ready to go.

 

[BertolomeoDiaz]

i´m not seeing any ghosting or input lag, but maybe i´m not sensitive to it
the very screen i have is said to come in an early version that is described not so good in reviews and a later version that gets excellent time measurements
i like to think i have the good one
i´ve seen real bad input lag and ghosting on TVs, so compared to that, there is none
it is ips, compared to my other tn panels i dont´t see any issues in comparison for fast scenes either

gameplaywise, it´s very immersive, you get some vision on the sides of your viewfield (in your eyes, not the monitor)
i also have a triple monitor setup, it´s much more extreme with that, but the 21:9 monitor is a good step in that direction
(on the triple monitors i start turning my head in flight simulator dogfighter games, almost like i was wearing vr goggles)

the black level is very much not black enough at all, more like dark grey, too luminous
i think that is an ips issue generally, but might be better on a different screen

some games don´t scale so good to the ratio (cut off, stretched, black bars on the sides) but most new games work fine
there are lists for compatibility on ultra wide monitor forums
sometimes it can be fixed with .ini file

 

[tvfreak]

I'm not sure if i asked you guys this already but here it is:

These 2 seems very similar in specs. I can't really tell them apart other than evga being about $10 cheaper. But the radeon has a 256 mem bus vs 192 for the evga. Not sure what that means:biggrin:

But aside from that and comparing the 2 online

This http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-S...radeon+r9+270x

Or http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Also this card i could get a little cheaper because it seems it has minor cosmetic damages and fulfilled by amazon. I figure if it looks to far gone i can take it back. http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperCloc...ture+2+Edition

Radeons are not inherently better than GeForces. Neither are GeForces inherently better than Radeons.

It all comes down to the performance you get versus the price you pay. Right now, the R9 270X is better priced than the GTX 760 for equivalent performance.

 

[BertolomeoDiaz]

the r9 270x should be better than gtx660
this particular comparison also suggests, the 270x would oveclock better and be much quieter (gtx660 being reference card)
gtx 760 is about the same as 270x, maybe a littte faster, i´d consider r9 270 the better deal
this sees the 270x even in front a tad
http://www.gamestar.de/hardware/gra...0x/test/amd_radeon_r9_270x,742,3028766,4.html

one could find another review, that produces longer bars for the gtx 760, but not by much
(it depends on the setting and games that are used)
should you like physx or use any programs that use cuda, the 760 may be worth the higher price,
otherwise i´d go with the r9 270x

 

[tvfreak]

its in German i think so it makes it hard to read lol.

the r9 270x should be better than gtx660
this particular comparison also suggests, the 270x would oveclock better and be much quieter (gtx660 being reference card)
gtx 760 is about the same as 270x, maybe a littte faster, i´d consider r9 270 the better deal
this sees the 270x even in front a tad
http://www.gamestar.de/hardware/gra...0x/test/amd_radeon_r9_270x,742,3028766,4.html

one could find another review, that produces longer bars for the gtx 760, but not by much
(it depends on the setting and games that are used)
should you like physx or use any programs that use cuda, the 760 may be worth the higher price,
otherwise i´d go with the r9 270x

 

[BertolomeoDiaz]

yeah, sorry,
i especially meant the bechmark chart
it´s a median of several tested games, so to say "overall performance"

 

[mfenn]

I'm not sure if i asked you guys this already but here it is:

These 2 seems very similar in specs. I can't really tell them apart other than evga being about $10 cheaper. But the radeon has a 256 mem bus vs 192 for the evga. Not sure what that means:biggrin:

But aside from that and comparing the 2 online

This http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-S...radeon+r9+270x

Or http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Also this card i could get a little cheaper because it seems it has minor cosmetic damages and fulfilled by amazon. I figure if it looks to far gone i can take it back. http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperCloc...ture+2+Edition

Like I said before, it all comes down to price per performance. Don't try to make decisions based on the high-level specs of the cards, they are too general to be useful. What matters is the performance you get in games, which can only be determined by benchmarks. You can use the Anandtech Bench database to do head-to-head comparisons of cards in real-world scenarios.

Here's a comparison of the GTX 660 and R9 270X. Depending on the games you play, the R9 270X is either a no-brainer (i.e. 40-50% faster for 20% more money) or useless (5-10% faster for 20% more money).

 

[tvfreak]

I get what ur saying.
but since i can't seem to find a r9 270x at a decent price what r ur thoughts on the gtx 760?
i was on a another forum and someone mentioned that the brand gigabyte wasn't a good brand (r9 270x). he said to get sapphire.

Like I said before, it all comes down to price per performance. Don't try to make decisions based on the high-level specs of the cards, they are too general to be useful. What matters is the performance you get in games, which can only be determined by benchmarks. You can use the Anandtech Bench database to do head-to-head comparisons of cards in real-world scenarios.

Here's a comparison of the GTX 660 and R9 270X. Depending on the games you play, the R9 270X is either a no-brainer (i.e. 40-50% faster for 20% more money) or useless (5-10% faster for 20% more money).

 

[tvfreak]

Ok i finally bought a video card. the asus is "used" but its fulfilled by amazon and in the description it said it was tested. it was at a decent price. if anything is wrong with it i can always return it.
i do have another card (name brand) same type r9 270x, but i wanted to know which one is better.
i know ill stick with the r9 video cards.

does the asus has hdmi connection? didn't c it in the description.

Also some of these cards i just read (powercooler brand is volt locked). I assume that means it can't be oc'ed? Is the other name brand vid cards oc'able?

asus http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00FW4A5YU/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1388953447&sr=8-2

or

diamond radeon http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00G8Y76E0/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1388954365&sr=8-1&pi=SX200_QL40

Or

As for this brand i never heard of. it seems there r 2 types. one has only one fan and the other has 3 fans.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00GMONY9M/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1388954465&sr=8-2&pi=SX200_QL40

3 fan powercooler video card. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00GJ29W52/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1388954465&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40

if u know of something better be sure to let.me know.

 

[tvfreak]

IT seems the asus sold out but i would still like your opinions

 

[mfenn]

I'm confused, did you buy a card or not?

And yes, you can overclock a voltage-locked card. You just can't increase the voltage for a more-extreme OC.

 

[tvfreak]

i did buy the diamond brand card. i did try buying the asus brand but wasn't able to.
i just would like people opinion on these video cards.
the diamond is on back order til Feb. but i still plan on looking for something else that is available to ship sooner

I'm confused, did you buy a card or not?

And yes, you can overclock a voltage-locked card. You just can't increase the voltage for a more-extreme OC.

 

[tvfreak]

Amazon does have the asus card back in stock for 219. Which is better:

http://www.amazon.com/Diamond-Radeon...+2GB+DDR5+PCIE

or

Asus http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-R9270X-DC...radeon+r9+270x

But the asus is $10 bucks more. Is it worth it?

 

[mfenn]

Ah OK. The ASUS is "better" because it has a better cooler and a higher clock. Normally I would say it isn't worth the extra.

That being said, waiting a month for a backordered card is a little crazy IMHO. The card that you can actually get is infinitely better value for money that the one you can't.

 

[BertolomeoDiaz]

the diamond looks exactly like the sapphire dual x that i have, which is very quiet and cool (>70°C)
maybe it´s anther brand from sapphire themselves (for different market? price?), if so, i think it´s a good buy
sapphire is amd´s closest partner for custom cards, similar to evga and nvidia

 

[tvfreak]

I know its a little crazy waiting for a video card for a month but they r selling out quick. the asus amazon had 8 video cards and probably sold out of them within the hr or so.reason i bought the diamond brand is to get it in that price point. it seems these r9 270x cards r really popular especially in the 210 to 220 price point. its crazy. some companies on amazon r selling the r9 270x for 230 to 280+ which is crazy. i guess when the r9 270x pops up for a good price everybody is jumping on that.
its just nuts.

 

[BertolomeoDiaz]

such big differences? well some cards like powercolor devil 13 or sapphire toxic are obviously more expensive for their massive coolers and high overclock potential,
wheter one wants to pay the premium for high overclock on a midrange/non high end card, ... i wouldn´t
then rather get the cheapest r9 280x
are the 270x effected by the litecoin price boom for radeon?
in europe they´re definitely the value for mone champ cards
for 210-220$ i see them as value/money best pick , too
the diamond card should be fine