Upgrading my pc after 7yrs

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tvfreak

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I read about why the vid cards are hard to come by especially some are over priced do to the bitcoin and litecoin people. Thanks lol.

I ended up buying the asus.
 

tvfreak

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I know i'm going off subject here and i know there is a thread for it but is anyone here doing the bitcoin or litecoin mining? If so, can you please pm me? My buddy and i are interested but we are newbs and i would like to know how to get started.
 

tvfreak

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Is there any other brand of CPU heat sink fan u can recommend?
I would like something that is quite as possible but if I ever oc I wanna make sure it heat sink fan can handle it. Especially during the summer.
I kind of like the idea of a closed loop water cooler.
Glad to help! Let us know how it goes.
 

tvfreak

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Price range from 30 and up. I would like some options.
Also it would be nice to get one of those fan controller that fits in the 3.5 bay.
 
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tvfreak

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I currently have a older artic silver 5 from several yrs ago. It's still good. Is there something better or is article silver good enough.
 

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You know, you can edit your post rather than making a new post for every extra comment.

I currently have a older artic silver 5 from several yrs ago. It's still good. Is there something better or is article silver good enough.

There is better paste than AS5, but AS5 is good enough as long as it isn't all dried up.

Price range from 30 and up. I would like some options.
Also it would be nice to get one of those fan controller that fits in the 3.5 bay.

Is there any other brand of CPU heat sink fan u can recommend?
I would like something that is quite as possible but if I ever oc I wanna make sure it heat sink fan can handle it. Especially during the summer.
I kind of like the idea of a closed loop water cooler.

The True Spirit 140 is a really good cooler. Not just a good $50 cooler, but a good cooler. I wouldn't bother with a CLC since you have a case that can take a big air cooler.

As for a fan controller, I would just plug the fans into the motherboard fan headers and let it take care of adjusting their speed in response to temperature.
 

tvfreak

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Yea I should of just edited it lol. I don't know why I didn't. Maybe cause I'm just tired. I should be in bed😴😴.

Is there something cheaper but works good?

What brand of thermal paste u can recommend.


You know, you can edit your post rather than making a new post for every extra comment.



There is better paste than AS5, but AS5 is good enough as long as it isn't all dried up.





The True Spirit 140 is a really good cooler. Not just a good $50 cooler, but a good cooler. I wouldn't bother with a CLC since you have a case that can take a big air cooler.

As for a fan controller, I would just plug the fans into the motherboard fan headers and let it take care of adjusting their speed in response to temperature.
 

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What do u guys think of this ssd. It seems like a good deal. I want it as extra storage for my new build. I bought a crucial brand already and thought if this is worth it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...rp.-_-20721107

It's a pretty good deal if you really need some extra SSD space for less than $100. This M500 240GB for $110 AR is better cost per gig though.

Also can u guys recommend a good antivirus / anti-malware anti everything software

Microsoft Security Essentials
 

tvfreak

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Microsoft??? I didn't think security essentials was that great. At least that's what i read.
I'll have to do some more research.

It's a pretty good deal if you really need some extra SSD space for less than $100. This M500 240GB for $110 AR is better cost per gig though.



Microsoft Security Essentials
 

tvfreak

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How much article silver do I need to put on my cooler master hyper 212 evo?
I've read as much as the size of grain of salt in the middle and let weight the CPU cooler spread it on its own. But again that was 7yrs ago with my old build. And this CPU cooler is much larger in size.
The article silver is old (7yrs at least) but its still pasty.
Any good tutoriols videos y'all can recommend?
I'll attempt to do it myself. Really did a build by myself before.
 

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The amount is a grain of rice, not salt. That should work even with paste this old. Though there are other ways to do it. My personal preference is spreading it with a razor blade.
 

tvfreak

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It just needs a thin film assume if u spread with a razor blade correct?

The amount is a grain of rice, not salt. That should work even with paste this old. Though there are other ways to do it. My personal preference is spreading it with a razor blade.
 

tvfreak

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So I was installing my cm 212 evo heat sink to mono. It turns out one of the screws that mounts onto the mono seems to be stripped.
So I have article silver on the cpu and the fan and I need to exchange the heat sink fan.
Or to save time do I leave the thermal paste on the CPU and just mount the heat sink fan on top of the CPU?
Or should I clean off the paste that's on the cpuband start over?
I already had to clean off the thermal paste on the CPU and heat sink fan the first time cause I messed up.
Now I have this other issue.
I cleaned the paste using rubbing alcohol and qtips.
 

tvfreak

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So I was installing my cm 212 evo heat sink to mobo. It turns out one of the screws that mounts onto the mono seems to be stripped.
So I have article silver on the cpu and the fan and I need to exchange the heat sink fan.
Or to save time can i leave the thermal paste on the CPU and just mount the new heat sink fan on top of the CPU with with the paste already on the CPU?
Or is it better to clean off the paste on the cpu and start over?
I already had to clean off the thermal paste on the CPU and heat sink fan the first time cause I messed up.

I cleaned the paste using rubbing alcohol and qtips the first time around.
 

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Rubbing alcohol is the correct solvent to use when cleaning up thermal paste. I usually use an old rag that I don't mind turning black, but qtips would work too, if a bit laborious.

You don't have to clean the paste off the top of the CPU as long as it hasn't dried out or gotten hot. If it has, then you should clean it before reseating the heatsink.
 

tvfreak

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So, Finally i put everything together. Now, i know it saids it's been 7yrs since my new pc but it's more like 10.

Should i install the drivers & utilities for the mobo that came with msi?
I assume you can get the most updated driver on MSI's website. But if i want to install the utilities i would need the use the dvd disc. But is the utilities needed? I was looking through the manual and it seems interesting and maybe useful.

Also, updating the bios? I assume when i start the pc i would need to push the f1 or the esc tab to get into the bios. As for updating the bios can i do it in the bios or do i need to download a updated driver on MSI's website and then install it?
My last mobo a DFI landparty, it was a pain in the ass to do it. Especially a newb like me. But from the manual it seems it's more user friendly.

Is there any unnecessary things i can turn off in the bios that aren't needed for this particular mobo. Or necessary things that can be useful!
I do plan on using the wifi module but if i can't get a strong enough signal then LAN it has to be.

How should i set up the boot drive? SSD or dvd/cd first?

As for updating the drivers for my VC, i assume i just go to Asus' website. Hopefully it's cut and dry when updating to the latest version.

For the memory, do i need to do anything special to it? Or just keep it as is?

Also, for the ssd, is there a latest driver or update that needs to be installed?

I just need to update everything and then install windows or the other way around?

Anything else you can suggest?

I know there is a lot of questions but i just want it done right. I hope it's way more user friendly then older pc's.

If i have more questions, i'll be back:biggrin:

Here's my set up:

Windows 8.1 64 bit
Intel I5-3570K LGA 1155
Asus Radeon 270X
MSI Z77 BIG BANG Mpower
Patriot Viper 8GB PC3-19200 @2400MHz
Crucial M500 240GB
Antec 850W High Current Gamer (even though i'm not much of a gamer anymore:biggrin
DVD rw drive (unknown origins)


Rubbing alcohol is the correct solvent to use when cleaning up thermal paste. I usually use an old rag that I don't mind turning black, but qtips would work too, if a bit laborious.

You don't have to clean the paste off the top of the CPU as long as it hasn't dried out or gotten hot. If it has, then you should clean it before reseating the heatsink.
 

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You don't need to install the utilities, some of the included ones offer additional controls specific to the boards (like fan control or special power states etc.) but are never truly needed. As far as drivers are concerned, my recommendation is to just install the networking driver that came on the disc and grab the latest version of everything else online (often times an upgraded version of the networking drivers as well).

The general rule of thumb for BIOS updating is don't unless you need to, as screwing up an update can completely brick a motherboard. Now if you're okay with the risk or just use to doing it or just want the most up to date BIOS, the method differs slightly from brand to brand but are overall the same. They usually come in 2 forms, 1 is a file that can be read from the BIOS to update the BIOS, the other is something that has to be loaded in an OS environment. If you just ordered the board you're likely already running the most recent revision or close to the most recent as far as the BIOS is concerned as they don't typically change that much over the course of a board's product lifespan unless it has major issues or is around during a shift in features/compatibility.

As for boot priority, I find the easiest way to deal with a fresh Windows install is to set your SSD as the primary drive in your boot priority and then just let it tick over to your optical drive or go from the BIOS and force it to start just once from your optical. The reason is that if you have your optical as your primary drive in the boot priority list then after it gets most of the Windows install ready it'll just repeat the process over and over (or at least it seems to for me most of the time). Alternatively if you're paying attention you could just take the disc out and leave the optical drive as your primary.

For the video card drivers, I recommend going to the original GPU manufacturer's website and downloading the latest version from there, which in your case is AMD. If your card uses a custom PCB layout and maybe something special about the cooler or some other feature you might lose out on that from time to time but overall the best graphical performance will come from the most up to date manufacturers drivers.

Your memory will likely be running at 1066 or 1333 MHz at stock speeds, to get the full speed out of it you'll need to go to your BIOS and enable it's XMP profile which is all the factory tuned overclock settings. Alternatively since you know the speeds you can get since they're promised by the manufacturer (hopefully they aren't lying) you can just do a manual overclock of the memory to whatever speed you want as long as it falls within their set-up, it shouldn't have too much issue. But usually it's just easier to use the XMP profile and call it a day.

Some SSD's come with software or utilities but for the most part no, you don't need to do anything special for your SSD's as any recent revision of Windows or Mac should already be able to identify and make adjustments for SSD's without being told to do so.

I would try and update Windows as much as possible as some types of drivers require newer/updated versions of the Framework to be installed correctly. With 8.1 being so recent however I don't think you'll need a significant amount of updates before your drivers will load without issues but Windows -> Drivers is the more efficient route if you have time on your hands.
 

tvfreak

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On the MSI mobo manual there is a live bios update option. But at the bottom of the manual it saids "do not update bios if the system is running fine.
So, I will not update it. But i wonder if there is any critical update since i do have an older mobo. I guess I will have to go to msi website and find out.

As for my memory, even though it said it runs @2400mhz, it's running @1333?
Does it make a big difference going into bios and i guess turning on the XMS and speed up the memory?
I've never done any OC'ing before, so, i'm not sure what to expect. Over heating issues, etc.



You don't need to install the utilities, some of the included ones offer additional controls specific to the boards (like fan control or special power states etc.) but are never truly needed. As far as drivers are concerned, my recommendation is to just install the networking driver that came on the disc and grab the latest version of everything else online (often times an upgraded version of the networking drivers as well).

The general rule of thumb for BIOS updating is don't unless you need to, as screwing up an update can completely brick a motherboard. Now if you're okay with the risk or just use to doing it or just want the most up to date BIOS, the method differs slightly from brand to brand but are overall the same. They usually come in 2 forms, 1 is a file that can be read from the BIOS to update the BIOS, the other is something that has to be loaded in an OS environment. If you just ordered the board you're likely already running the most recent revision or close to the most recent as far as the BIOS is concerned as they don't typically change that much over the course of a board's product lifespan unless it has major issues or is around during a shift in features/compatibility.

As for boot priority, I find the easiest way to deal with a fresh Windows install is to set your SSD as the primary drive in your boot priority and then just let it tick over to your optical drive or go from the BIOS and force it to start just once from your optical. The reason is that if you have your optical as your primary drive in the boot priority list then after it gets most of the Windows install ready it'll just repeat the process over and over (or at least it seems to for me most of the time). Alternatively if you're paying attention you could just take the disc out and leave the optical drive as your primary.

For the video card drivers, I recommend going to the original GPU manufacturer's website and downloading the latest version from there, which in your case is AMD. If your card uses a custom PCB layout and maybe something special about the cooler or some other feature you might lose out on that from time to time but overall the best graphical performance will come from the most up to date manufacturers drivers.

Your memory will likely be running at 1066 or 1333 MHz at stock speeds, to get the full speed out of it you'll need to go to your BIOS and enable it's XMP profile which is all the factory tuned overclock settings. Alternatively since you know the speeds you can get since they're promised by the manufacturer (hopefully they aren't lying) you can just do a manual overclock of the memory to whatever speed you want as long as it falls within their set-up, it shouldn't have too much issue. But usually it's just easier to use the XMP profile and call it a day.

Some SSD's come with software or utilities but for the most part no, you don't need to do anything special for your SSD's as any recent revision of Windows or Mac should already be able to identify and make adjustments for SSD's without being told to do so.

I would try and update Windows as much as possible as some types of drivers require newer/updated versions of the Framework to be installed correctly. With 8.1 being so recent however I don't think you'll need a significant amount of updates before your drivers will load without issues but Windows -> Drivers is the more efficient route if you have time on your hands.
 

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Your memory kit is specced for 2400 meaning that it was tested at the factory and capable of that speed, some boards will detect this automatically but in my experience I've always had to enable the XMP profile to get it to run at that kind of speed, especially since typically it needs 1.65v instead of the "standard" on Intel boards of 1.5. You paid for the speed so you might as well use it.
 
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