upgrading to 256Mb RAM?

davidkay

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If I upgrade to 256Mb RAM will my system resources on Windows ME go up by a great deal. If i open more than 4 programs at once, it usually dips down to 40%! What sort of % would 256Mb RAM have on system resources?
 

divinemartyr

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I have 256mb of memory as well however I am running win98. I just upgraded to an 866mhz machine and never notice any slowdown really. I've had my resources as low as 51% but no matter how many programs I open this seems to be the low end. With only 4 programs open I'd probably have 70% free, so you should see a somewhat noticeable performance increaes, however, nothing spectacular. With the price of RAM right now, why not upgrade though?

divinemartyr
 

kami

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yeah, RAM is cheap. I can get 128MB PC133 for $89 Canadian. Just upgrade!
 

jsbush

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Win98, WinME has very poor memory management and it doesn't use more then 128megs of ram. It was never designed to use more then 128megs of ram even though it will reconize more! I've got 128 right now and I should get 256megs of mosel vitalic cas 2 ram so I will see if it's any better.
 

rubberneck

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To answer your question, adding ram will not necessarily equate to greater system resources under Win9.x/ME. The resources you are referring to is a function of the operating system more so than the hardware (ie: ram). Even with 512MB's of ram, you could run into low resources under 9.x/ME....quite easily I might add.

If you really want to take care of the problem low resources cause, upgrading or creating a dual boot with Win-2000 would be a good option.
 

Gatsby

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If you are going for more than 128 megs of ram. Switch your OS to Win2k. Its sooo much better.

Also I keep reading in places that Win98/ME can not handle more than 128 megs of ram efficently.

Gatsby - 969
 

davidkay

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I was running Windows 2000, but i found having 2 operating systems way to much to handle. I am using ME only because I play a lot of games!
 

Noriaki

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I added 256MB of RAM to my 128MB in Win98SE...it's faster, but Win98SE is still horrid at resource management, so I expect it's wasting alot of my investment.
256MB is more than enough for Win9x/ME, though I kind of like my 384MB for 2000.

I'm waiting on Whistler Personal over Win2000Pro...but anything NT is far better than 9x...

(yes I know 384MB is overkill, it's in preparation for whistler while ram is so cheap)
 

Rudee

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<< Win98, WinME has very poor memory management and it doesn't use more then 128megs of ram >>



False.
 

ledzepp98

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as somebody said, more ram won't increase resources. user resources are a function of a few things. what programs are you opening? 4 programs shouldn't have that much of an impact, you are probably running a program that is a resource hog. a few examples would be imesh (as much as 17%), napster (around 10%), photoshop (not sure but can be a lot), etc...
 

chuckieland

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for system resource ram it is 640k only no matter what system memory you got.
i think. but could be wrong. I think is IBM or Billy boy set that, they say the system should not require more then 640k base memory.
 

Whitedog

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For what most people are saying about Adding more memory is true..
I'd like to comment on this though <<Win98, WinME has very poor memory management and it doesn't use more then 128megs of ram. >> Someone commented &quot;False&quot; to this. It's actually not False, but should be explained a little better.

As you know, Windows uses memory to run, other programs you run use memory also. Windows manages your memory to keep it available for other programs to use. &quot;It can only manage 128 megs in this manner&quot;, meaning... if you open 4 programs and you get down to 20% resources free... Having more than 128 megs of ram is NOT going to increase this resouce. HOWEVER, you can Still open programs that can utilize the memory.

Here's an example, if you have 384 megs ram, and open some graphical program that gobbles up 150megs... Windows won't open anything else, you'll get a resouce error. You CAN however use that program to take full advantage of the memory, up to it's limit.

So, the bottom line... IF you use Multiple programs (like I do here at work), adding more ram isn't going to help you. Get 2000. If you use Single programs (like intense Games like Deus Ex, or some video capturing) Adding more memory helps Tremendously!
 

miniMUNCH

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If you want to use more than 128MB efficicently, you need tweak your system.ini, msdos.sys, and config.sys files to added some functionality and performance to your system. Some programs actually add the below listed tweaks upon installation. These are just the basic tweaks to get your rig moving faster...for more, buy a book on it, there's a lot of 'em.

Here's some goods from rage3D:

System.ini:

For Windows95, 98, and Me:

Add these under [386Enh]:

DMABufferSize=64 (This will conserve at least 64KB of memory to DMA (direct memory access) to reinsure that your DMA devices always have enough memory allocated. Note that this tweak should only be used if you have one or more DMA enabled devices on your system)

LocalLoadHigh=1 (This setting tells the operating system to load its local drivers into upper memory by default as opposed to trying to squeeze them into conventional memory. This is a good tweak for those of you who have less than 128MB of RAM, but may actually hinder performance for those with 128MB or more - although I have 128MB of RAM and it works for me. Test it for yourself to see)

ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1 (I heard that you might have to leave a blank space under this setting for it to work properly, so I would just to make sure. If you are running Win98, this setting will force the computer to use the swap file in a &quot;conservative&quot; way. If you are running on Windows Me, this setting will tell Windows not to use the swap file at all until all of the RAM is used. After all of the RAM is used, the computer will push most of the infrequently used data to the swap file. This is a great tweak, recommended for everyone on 98 and Me - but don't use for Windows95!) (Windows95 already uses the swap file in a conservative way)

PageBuffers=32 (This setting tells the computer to dedicate a certain amount of RAM to buffer the hard drive rather than allowing the operating system to dynamically handle the buffer. Windows dynamic handling of most memory issues is very inefficient, due to the large difference Windows sets between minimum and maximum values. 32 is the highest setting the operating system allows, so it is recommended that you use this value)

Add these under [vcache]:

Minfilecache=XXXXX (This will set the minimum value to how much swap file in KB your system will dedicate. To figure out what to replace XXXXX with, it is recommended that you take 10% of your RAM and multiply that number by 1024 (to convert to KB). For example, I have 128MB of RAM, so 10% of 128 is 12.8. 12.8 multiplied by 1024 is 13107.2. I would then replace XXXXX with 13107)

Maxfilecache=XXXXX (This will set the maximum value to how much swap file in KB your system will dedicate. To figure out what to replace XXXXX with, it is recommended that you take 25% of your RAM and multiply that number by 1024 (to convert to KB). For example, I have 128MB of RAM, so 25% of 128 is 32. 32 multiplied by 1024 is 32768. I would then replace XXXXX with 32768)

*Note: Some people prefer to set their min and max filecache to the same value, so as to lessen the time the computer spends with the swap file when the swap file is in use. I find that this works very well too, but personally I like to have a bit of a gap between the min and max. Putting a gap there guarantees you will always have sufficient swap file space. If you have large amounts of RAM, namely 256MB or more, you can easily set the min and max to the same size without worry

Chunksize=XXX (This setting determines how large the chunks are that are allocated to each program residing in the vcache. A program can have more than one chunk, but if it doesn't divide evenly into the size of the chunk, some RAM goes unused (i.e. is fragmented). On one hand, having a smaller chunk size allows for less wasted RAM in the vcache, however, on the other hand, a larger chunk size increases the access speed for the vcache. Common values are 128, 256, 512, 1024, and 2048 . On Windows98 or Me, I prefer 1024. The rule of thumb is, if you have any newer monster multi-GigaByte size hard disk, you may want to set this value to &quot;high&quot;: 2048 - 4096. If you don't work frequently with multi-MegaByte size files, you may want to set it to &quot;low&quot;: 256 - 1024)


Msdos.sys:

For Windows98:

Add these under [Options]:

Dblspace=0 (This will tell the OS not to load the DoubleSpace compression program during boot up, thereby freeing up memory and reducing an unnecessary program from running. Do not use this if you are using have a compressed hard drive!!)

Drvspace=0 (This setting tells the OS not to load the DriveSpace compression program during boot up, thereby freeing up memory and reducing an unnecessary program from running. Do not use this if you are using have a compressed hard drive!!)

Logo=0 (This setting will disable the Windows start-up logo during boot, thereby reducing time to load. If you like the Windows logo, don't use this setting)

Bootdelay=0 (This setting tells the OS not to delay when switching from your BIOS POST to the OS boot up. Although most users already do not experience a delay, this guarantees that you have a zero delay)

Disablelog=1 (This setting will disable all event logging that occurs during boot up, thereby reducing the amount of time wasted to perform this task. If you wish to have your boot up logged, usually in order to find errors, do not use this setting)

Doublebuffer=X (This setting tells the computer whether or not to use double-buffering for your hard drive. If you have a large FAT32 partition or you use SCSI, I recommend that you enable this by inserting a 1 for the X. If you have a smaller FAT32 partition (under 10 GB per partition is a good rule) or you still use FAT16, I recommend that you disable this by inserting a 0 for the X)


For WindowsMe:

*Note: Windows Me users will have to uncheck 'hide protected operating system files' in the Folder Options under View in the Control Panel for you to view Msdos.sys. Also, make sure you right click Msdos.sys, click properties, and then uncheck 'read-only' to be able to save this file once you have added these options. Remember to re-check 'read only' when you are done adding these options!

Add these under [Options]:

Dblspace=0 (This will tell the OS not to load the DoubleSpace compression program during boot up, thereby freeing up memory and reducing an unnecessary program from running. Do not use this if you are using have a compressed hard drive!!)

Drvspace=0 (This setting tells the OS not to load the DriveSpace compression program during boot up, thereby freeing up memory and reducing an unnecessary program from running. Do not use this if you are using have a compressed hard drive!!)

Logo=0 (This setting will disable the Windows start-up logo during boot, thereby reducing time to load. If you like the Windows logo, don't use this setting)

Bootdelay=0 (This setting tells the OS not to delay when switching from your BIOS POST to the OS boot up. Although most users already do not experience a delay, this guarantees that you have a zero delay)

Disablelog=1 (This setting will disable all event logging that occurs during boot up, thereby reducing the amount of time wasted to perform this task. If you wish to have your boot up logged, usually in order to find errors, do not use this setting)

Doublebuffer=X (This setting tells the computer whether or not to use double-buffering for your hard drive. If you have a large FAT32 partition or you use SCSI, I recommend that you enable this by inserting a 1 for the X. If you have a smaller FAT32 partition (under 10 GB per partition is a good rule) or you still use FAT16, I recommend that you disable this by inserting a 0 for the X)


Config.sys:

For Windows98:

Add these:

device=c:\windows\himem.sys (This will load the upper memory management)

Stacks=0,0 (This will speed up the underlying kernel of Windows. This is a good tweak recommended for everyone.)

dos=high,umb (Even though you'd think this wouldn't matter anymore, DOS still does play a role in how fast the operating system is, and conserving whatever resources it might need is important)

devicehigh=c:\windows\setver.exe (Will load setver.exe into the upper memory, freeing up conventional memory)

devicehigh=c:\windows\ifshlp.sys (Will load ifshlp.sys into the upper memory, freeing up conventional memory)


For WindowsMe:

Config.sys entries in WindowsMe must be entered differently than Windows98, since Me won't let you edit the config.sys. In order to apply these settings, click Programs, Accessories, System Tools and then open System Information. Under tools, open the System Configuration Utility:
Under the Environment Tab, click New and then enter this info:

Variable Name: Variable Value:

Stacks: 0,0 (This will speed up the underlying kernel of Windows. This is a good tweak recommended for everyone.)

dos: high,umb (Even though you'd think this wouldn't matter anymore, DOS still does play a role in how fast the operating system is and conserving whatever resources it might need is important)


 
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