Upgrading to Northwood soon!

FrostyFlakes

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you should consider going ddr and 1.6a. ppl seem to be having trouble ocing with rambus and 1.6a
 

XBoxLPU

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Well I have tried doing research and reading posts about the difference between rdram and DDR.

From what I have seen, Rambus will give me better performance and my DDR is only Pc2100, I would probably need PC2700.

 

Duvie

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I would agree with that...pc2700ddr would be nice....

Check out insane3d's post he got his 1.6 way up to 160fsb (he is a rare case though) and he is pulling numbers right at 2500's for memory bandwidth...No gaurantee you will get that though...

One though going rdram but knowing in all likihood you will not be able to ramp the fsb up so much...what you gain in memory bandwidth you will likely loose big in raw cpu power...Some programs like raw cpu power and many I hear have difficulty getting to 133fsb with rdram meaning 2128 may be tough w/o turing down the multiplier and thus loosing rdram performance...

IMO I may go a bit higher like 1.8a northwood so I don't have to oc the fsb too much to get the high cpu speed and nice rdram scores...
 

SexyK

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<< I would agree with that...pc2700ddr would be nice....

Check out insane3d's post he got his 1.6 way up to 160fsb (he is a rare case though) and he is pulling numbers right at 2500's for memory bandwidth...No gaurantee you will get that though...

One though going rdram but knowing in all likihood you will not be able to ramp the fsb up so much...what you gain in memory bandwidth you will likely loose big in raw cpu power...Some programs like raw cpu power and many I hear have difficulty getting to 133fsb with rdram meaning 2128 may be tough w/o turing down the multiplier and thus loosing rdram performance...

IMO I may go a bit higher like 1.8a northwood so I don't have to oc the fsb too much to get the high cpu speed and nice rdram scores...
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I don't know where you're coming from with some of this. Sure, not all RDRAM can do PC1066, but if you want extreme FSB's then just drop the multi to 3x. Even at 133 youre back to PC800, which is still faster than any DDR numbers out there. Then as you push toward 150MHz FSB, you're pushing the RDRAM back up fast spec, so you're getting a nice FSB, and you're still overclocking the RDRAM, although it isn't PC1200, its still faster than PC800 and will shame DDR.

Anyway, i have the Abit board and a 1.6a, and that chip is so much faster than my old 1.7 @ 1.9.. mmm love it.

Kramer
 

Duvie

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Many have shown that northwood and the added l2 cache only really adds about 10 percent in performance...Look at reviews that show northwood and willamette...unlikely a 1.6a at default is faster then a 1.9willamette unless you have other advancements...ie board, memory, vid card, harddrives, etc...
 

XBoxLPU

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Well i think I will taking a risk and going with Rdram and 1.6A

I Know that I can get high OC with DDR ram ..

does rdram really give you better performance ?
 

Duvie

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Yes...In the programs that need the bandwidth it will perform slightly better...will the difference always be the same in terms of percentage??? NO!!! will it even be noticebale??? Maybe...

program specific is all I can say...Look at all the times athlon has beaten the p4 in apps while it was using pc2100 ddr ram that was delivering way below rdram bandwidths of memory...
 

PowerEngineer

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I've also been wavering around an Abit/P4A/RDRAM system, and trying to find out as much as I can. My understanding is that the answer to your last question is that 16 device RDRAM should overclock better than 8 device; I gather the number of devices relates to the number of memory chips and that the denser chips may have less margin (probably being the same reason that most recommend 256 Mb sticks rather than 512 Mb sticks). Many people also seem to believe that Samsung RDRAM is better than the others -- even if the others are using Samsung chips! So I guess Googlegear's a good place to go for RDRAM.

Although you didn't specify, I'm guessing that your Abit motherborad choice is the TH7II or TH7II-RAID. This is also the motherboard that I would like to get, however it seems to have several potential downsides that you should be aware of:

First, people still seem to getting THII7 boards with version 37 BIOS which does not (fully) support the Northwood. Some people seem able to get the boards to boot up (although their operation may be a bit squirrely) and are then able to flash to the new version 38 BIOS that does support the Northwood. Unfortunately, others with the version 37 BIOS get hung up with an error "29" before the boot is complete, which leaves them short of the point where they can flash to version 38. The options for the unfortunate are to either find someone with a 256k cache 478-pin P4 that they can borrow to boot with and then flash BIOS, or get a new BIOS chip from Abit. Those going the latter route have reported that Abit charges them for the chip and for shipping (~$15). I suppose you could also try to RMA the board. I was hoping that all these older boards would be quickly washed out of the system, but here's an interesting note posted by Googlegear on their TH7II: *Important Note: This motherboard has the potential to support the new Skt478 P4 "Northwood" (512K cache) processor, however it may need a BIOS flash to do so. Unless you are highly experienced with flashing a BIOS, we recommend that you purchase a motherboard that definitely supports the P4 "Northwood" instantly--(on our website these boards have "Northwood" listed in their titles). Flashing a BIOS can easily go bad, resulting in a ruined motherboard and voided warranty. This doesn't seem promising...

Second, some TH7II boards have DRCG chips that can not reliably support overclocking beyond 400 Ghz. There have been some posts about how you can tell these chips apart. I gather that if the first line starts with ICS, then if the second line ends in -03 it's the 500 GHz; if it's -13 then it's the 600 GHz. And if chip label ends with CYP, it's the 400 GHz chip. Anyway, an overclock to 133 GHz FSB dictates 500 GHz at least. I've been told by more experienced members that the newer boards have the 600 Ghz chips, but one has to wonder how many of the older 400 GHz boards are still sitting on supplier's shelves...

Third, older TH7II boards have AC97 sound, while newer boards have AC2001. Same issue on what the TH7II I receive might have...

With all these unknowns out there, ordering one via mail seems a bit like Russian roulette! How can I be sure to get a new board with version 38 BIOS, the -13 clock generator chips, and the AC2001 sound? I would really like to look the board over before I buy it, but there's no one locally who carries Abit (not even Frys). What to do?

XboxLPU, if you (or anyone else out there) has worked through this already, please let me know!

P.S. -- I see that the TH7II has an on-board LAN option that I've never actually heard that anyone has. Anyone?

THANKS!
 

Duvie

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Maybe you look at the Asus P4T-E...hell they dominate in the i845d and sis645 chipsets as well for overclocking...
 

XBoxLPU

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Thanks a lot PowerEngineer!

I think I will be getitng an Asus P4T-E instead.

And You know i would stick with my DDR ram but it is only 2100...

I will be ordering my intel parts next week, and as soon as my current parts are sold.


 

lataf2

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I have a p4t-e and have the usual problem with not being able to go above 140mhz fsb due to the motherboard not having a switch for a higher cpu voltage setting. It will post at 2.40ghz but crashes in windows.. ahh well.. 2.23 isnt that bad ;p

Also, USB is hosed with anything above 115mhz fsb.

 

XBoxLPU

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Well i changed my mind..

Going with an Asus P4B266-C, 1.6Aghz and 2 sticks of KingMax PC2700 256 DDR

Cheaper than the Rambus and also when The Clawhammer is released next year, I can upgrade a whole lot easier.

 

MadRat

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PC2700 is a deadend in high performance memory. I wouldn't bother with it. Pay the extra $60 and have a righteous overclock rather than a pretty decent rig. DDR simply cannot scale to meet the needs of a 2GHz+ P4 solution.
 

Duvie

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Get the sis chipset!!!! You wont be able to realize those pc2700 to full potential without it....
 

christoph83

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Get the sis chipset!!!! You wont be able to realize those pc2700 to full potential without it....

Well with that asus board hes going to be getting pretty close to PC2700 Speeds. If he uses the 3:4 memory option he could do 16x132 and have memory running past PC2700 speeds. Or he could go 1:1 and do 16x150 or 160 and still be edging up to PC2700 speeds.
 

Fant

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This is what I'm planning so someone tell me if you see any problemms I may run into. First, since the 1.6a seems out of stock at gateway I ordered the P4 1.8A which people say o/c's to 2.4 easily at stock voltage and stock heatsink. I want to overclock the CPU but nothing else. So I'm pairing it with an ASUS P4S333 (sis645) and a stick of Samsung DDR333 memory. I'm thinking I can raise the FSB to 133 (in order to get the p4 to 2.4ghz), set the PCI divider to 4/1 (so PCI continues to run at 33mhz spec speed) and MEM divider to 4/5 (so ddr ram runs at 166mhzx2=333). This way I will have ONLY the CPU overclocked to 2.4, my memory will run at spec speed of 333mhz, my pci and agp rill run respectively at 33/66 spec speeds and I should have a pretty stable system? Any thoughts on this?
 

XBoxLPU

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I probably will be running at 145 FSB + and a 4:5 ratio..

I have some Arctic Silver II laying around, good enough correct ?

Do I need to buy a HSF ?, cause i have heard the Retail is just fine.

 

Duvie

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< Well with that asus board hes going to be getting pretty close to PC2700 Speeds. If he uses the 3:4 memory option he could do 16x132 and have memory running past PC2700 speeds. Or he could go 1:1 and do 16x150 or 160 and still be edging up to PC2700 speeds. >

That is true he can get close but insane3d's scores are less then mine and I am about 200mhz slower and about 27mhz fsb slower....

If you can get a 1.6 up to 150fsb with a 4:5 ratio on the asus p4s333 board you will get the memory doing 375mhz and should get around 2800's...if he can get it up to insane3d's 160fsb he would see true 400mhz ddr and near the 3000's...

a 3:4 ratio at 132fsb equals 352mhz memory, but he will likley clear 133 and want to do so...At 145 he will be forced to run 1:1 and only running 290mhz only slightly faster then pc2100 (scores likely aroun 2250's)..So sacrifice raw cpu power he can achieve for better memory bandwidth, or get all the juice and still get better memory bandwidth with thesis chipset??? I think it looks clear...

I will state if the options the asus (non-c) offers like usb 2.0 are more important then go for it....Do they offer ata133 yet in a asus i845d platform???
 

XBoxLPU

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I don't need USB..

I have a PCI Usb card currently for my scanner and things are fine.

ordering the ASUS P4S333 sometime today or tomorrow and waiting for my parts to be sold to order the rest
 

XBoxLPU

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Fant

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Will the ASUS P4S333 allow me to do do FSB speed of 133mhz and memory speed of 166mhz?
 
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