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Chiropteran

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Whatever, If Trump Trash wants to deport people picking our food, they better get out there, bend over, take a nice breath of pesticides, and start picking.

Ah, the true motives of the left.

Keep our near-slave labor intact! Trump is evil because he is sending our slaves home and we might have to do the work ourselves :*(
 
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werepossum

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And yet, you don't post those results, odd! Let me guess, townhall.com? Breitbart? Infowars? The overwhelming majority of engineers are democrats, even moreso software engineers, get over it.
Not the overwhelming majority, but nearly 3 to 1 are Democrat (71 to 29) judging solely by campaign donations. http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/

It depends mostly on location. I'm in Tennessee and among engineers within this area, I'm a raging far left liberal. You literally could not find a handful of Democrat engineers in Chattanooga outside of government employ and software engineering. Even within AEC and manufacturing nationally, I'm on the liberal side judging my interaction with others, and I'd be considered a raging far right loon in LA or Austin. Even engineers we've hired from up North tend to be quite conservative, even though that doesn't ever come up in interviews. When one includes software engineers and government employees is where the total really begins to tilt left.

Further food for thought: Machine Design and Electronics Design found that 42.1% of engineers are Republican versus 33.7% independent and a mere 14.5% Democrat.
http://machinedesign.com/news/politics-engineers

It's also worth pointing out that there may be reason to obscure political affiliation, especially for publicly available data such as political contributions. Speaking from experience, a liberal engineer here is considered odd. In places like Silicone Valley, anyone with such beliefs might face far more than being labeled odd; being known as a Trump supporter or Republican could easily derail a career.
 
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Ackmed

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And yet, you don't post those results, odd! Let me guess, townhall.com? Breitbart? Infowars? The overwhelming majority of engineers are democrats, even moreso software engineers, get over it.

I don't read any of those places. I didnt even know what they were before the election cycle. No, they weren't from there. From various links, it wasn't hard to find. You obviously didn't actually look or else you would have seen. I also said that location plays a huge part, as a poster above said as well. You claimed that those particular companies were largely liberal, and I have no doubts about that. Because of where they are located. I said that where I am, the engineers are far more conservative. It is not even close. Location matters more than job in this instance.

Oh look at how easy it is to find a link that supports what I said; http://machinedesign.com/news/politics-engineers

Engineers tend to view themselves as much less liberal and slightly more conservative than the general public, according to a recent survey of over 1,200 readers of MACHINE DESIGN and Electronic Design magazines. The same survey also found that engineers say they are more likely to be Republican (42.1%) or Independent (33.7%) voters, as opposed to Democrats (14.5%). And although over a third of the engineers think Republicans represent the best interests of the engineering community better than Democrats, a majority of engineers (48.1%) believe neither party is really on the side of engineers.

AND that wasn't even the main point. I have already stated the main point was your ignorant (and factually wrong) assumption that they're too stupid to do anything intelligent. And the problem your attitude represents. Of course you won't just admit it and move on, just keep on digging.

edit, werepossum used the same link. Not changing my post though
 
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As long as were bringing up things from the past and trying to shove them down our throats hinting that things from the past can be applicable to today....

Then I guess they are all coming in to kill us then, right?

You act like native americans welcomed us with open arms or something.
 

Zaap

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Jun 12, 2008
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Ah let phokus and his ilk have their pipe dreams.

Maybe it'll mean and end to leftloons whining for the right to pay for all their handout shit for them.

Wait a second... I thought it was Dims with all the jobs and money!

Those ultra wealthy liberal inner cities and dirt poor conservative suburbs and all.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Ah let phokus and his ilk have their pipe dreams.

Maybe it'll mean and end to leftloons whining for the right to pay for all their handout shit for them.

Wait a second... I thought it was Dims with all the jobs and money!

Those ultra wealthy liberal inner cities and dirt poor conservative suburbs and all.

Well that was a shitty post. Did you have anything actually related to the subject?
 

Phokus

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Not the overwhelming majority, but nearly 3 to 1 are Democrat (71 to 29) judging solely by campaign donations. http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/

It depends mostly on location. I'm in Tennessee and among engineers within this area, I'm a raging far left liberal. You literally could not find a handful of Democrat engineers in Chattanooga outside of government employ and software engineering. Even within AEC and manufacturing nationally, I'm on the liberal side judging my interaction with others, and I'd be considered a raging far right loon in LA or Austin. Even engineers we've hired from up North tend to be quite conservative, even though that doesn't ever come up in interviews. When one includes software engineers and government employees is where the total really begins to tilt left.

Further food for thought: Machine Design and Electronics Design found that 42.1% of engineers are Republican versus 33.7% independent and a mere 14.5% Democrat.
http://machinedesign.com/news/politics-engineers

It's also worth pointing out that there may be reason to obscure political affiliation, especially for publicly available data such as political contributions. Speaking from experience, a liberal engineer here is considered odd. In places like Silicone Valley, anyone with such beliefs might face far more than being labeled odd; being known as a Trump supporter or Republican could easily derail a career.

I don't read any of those places. I didnt even know what they were before the election cycle. No, they weren't from there. From various links, it wasn't hard to find. You obviously didn't actually look or else you would have seen. I also said that location plays a huge part, as a poster above said as well. You claimed that those particular companies were largely liberal, and I have no doubts about that. Because of where they are located. I said that where I am, the engineers are far more conservative. It is not even close. Location matters more than job in this instance.

Oh look at how easy it is to find a link that supports what I said; http://machinedesign.com/news/politics-engineers



AND that wasn't even the main point. I have already stated the main point was your ignorant (and factually wrong) assumption that they're too stupid to do anything intelligent. And the problem your attitude represents. Of course you won't just admit it and move on, just keep on digging.

edit, werepossum used the same link. Not changing my post though

FEC data is going to be massively larger than 1200 respondents to a magazine i've never heard of.
 

disappoint

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Actually, garden variety conservatives were programmed to be so conformist as children to that they are terrified of truth as it really is. The cage is gone but the virtual bars remain. They pace up sand down in a rut. Their intelligence is used to deny reality and their capacity to do so shows them to be brilliant.

Really? Because I saw a lot more fear, hate and emotional basketcaseness from the left when Trump won far more than from the right when Obama won. Especially right on these very boards. But maybe the way you see it is the reality you want to see rather than the reality that actually exists, most of it being outside of your awareness and all.
 

senseamp

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Ah, the true motives of the left.

Keep our near-slave labor intact! Trump is evil because he is sending our slaves home and we might have to do the work ourselves :*(

Trump Trash is the one telling us that they want shitty jobs back from illegals. Time to put up and get working in them fields.
 

agent00f

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Not all of them. Any South American that immigrates here the traditional route is likely to be among the most talented/skilled of their home country. That isn't to say that the average Mexican immigrant wanting to escape Mexico and do agriculture or basic service work is more dangerous than the average American, but this study isn't remotely powerful enough to make a claim about that.

fwiw I think the biggest driver behind Hispanic crime is the war on drugs to begin with. Mexican crime has exploded since the 80s, and Hispanic crime within our country is on a similar decline to that of white crime. Decriminalize/legalize cocaine, heroin, and meth, and Latin America in general will probably approach the USA's crime levels within a couple generations.

It's pretty much by definition that the least desirable work falls to the lowest status groups in society, and it's sometimes the case said work is undesirable due to the repercussions of its illegal aspects. So it comes as no surprise which groups in the US have the highest instances of this sort of criminality.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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There are hardly any surprises in this thread where conservatives display their trademark fear of anything new(/novel/different/etc), in this case new people.
 

Zaap

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Lol. 'New people'

Some one missed the memo that everyone has been here for 20 years, paying secretly into the system, and always with school age children here since birth.

Geeze can someone decide on the right mix of 'heartstring stereotypes' before another dipshit makes an ass of himself trying to exploit the wrong one?
 

agent00f

Lifer
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Lol. 'New people'

Some one missed the memo that everyone has been here for 20 years, paying secretly into the system, and always with school age children here since birth.

Geeze can someone decide on the right mix of 'heartstring stereotypes' before another dipshit makes an ass of himself trying to exploit the wrong one?

Pretty obvious why the white nationalists will never accept lower status minorities as anything but new/different/alien.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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To provide an illustrative concrete example of this, Ann Coulter & friends are fond of claiming that 20-25% of the "mexican" population lives in the US. To get that number, she includes all people of mexican descent, including those who've been in the SW longer than white folks.

Notice these types will never rage about whatever % of irish/etc descent whites live in the US, for reasons which can't be more obvious.
 
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