US and Mexico reach a trade deal, paving the way to replace NAFTA

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ecogen

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I don't know why people were expecting a deal today. Not reaching a deal for Canada means status quo, they have no reason to take a worse deal.
 

K1052

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I don't know why people were expecting a deal today. Not reaching a deal for Canada means status quo, they have no reason to take a worse deal.

The administration is the one trying to push it forward quickly along with the current Mexican government. EPN and his party are going out of power so if a new pact isn't signed on a tight timeline AMLO gets a crack at it. Which could upend whatever understandings Trump has with Mexico currently.
 

ecogen

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The administration is the one trying to push it forward quickly along with the current Mexican government. EPN and his party are going out of power so if a new pact isn't signed on a tight timeline AMLO gets a crack at it. Which could upend whatever understandings Trump has with Mexico currently.

I remember reading the AMLO was onboard with the "deal" Pena Nieto made, maybe I'm misremembering.
 

K1052

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I remember reading the AMLO was onboard with the "deal" Pena Nieto made, maybe I'm misremembering.

Because he'd rather not have it on his docket to do and if people don't like it he can blame EPN. If he has no choice but to continue and negotiate it on his own terms could be different.
 

ecogen

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Because he'd rather not have it on his docket to do and if people don't like it he can blame EPN. If he has no choice but to continue and negotiate it on his own terms could be different.

I guess, but if I was either Mexico or Canada I would probably look to stall at least until midterms.
 

K1052

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Trump has officially notified Congress of his intent to enter into a new trade agreement with Mexico and possibly Canada. Which isn't exactly the same as the notification he gave congress that he was going to renegotiate NAFTA (3 party deal). I'm sure Congress will let it slide for a while but I dunno about passing a bilateral deal if Canada talks fail.
 

Phynaz

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Canada has no leverage.

On the other hand, apparently one of the negotiating points is the United States wants minimum wage standards and enforcement in the agreement.

Those dirty republicans, insisting that countries we enter into huge trade agreements with pay a fair wage to labor.

Or would you rather Canada turn into a sweatshop competing with China?

But you idiots think this is all for real.
Canada is the equivalent of the street corner drug dealer. China is the target here. This is nothing but a show of force to China.

Sorry Canada, you’re nothing but a pawn.
 

fskimospy

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Canada has no leverage.

On the other hand, apparently one of the negotiating points is the United States wants minimum wage standards and enforcement in the agreement.

Those dirty republicans, insisting that countries we enter into huge trade agreements with pay a fair wage to labor.

Or would you rather Canada turn into a sweatshop competing with China?

But you idiots think this is all for real.
Canada is the equivalent of the street corner drug dealer. China is the target here. This is nothing but a show of force to China.

Sorry Canada, you’re nothing but a pawn.

So to be clear you’re for robust minimum wage standards? I assume you also agree with radically increasing the US minimum wage then?
 

Jhhnn

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Canada has no leverage.

On the other hand, apparently one of the negotiating points is the United States wants minimum wage standards and enforcement in the agreement.

Those dirty republicans, insisting that countries we enter into huge trade agreements with pay a fair wage to labor.

Or would you rather Canada turn into a sweatshop competing with China?

But you idiots think this is all for real.
Canada is the equivalent of the street corner drug dealer. China is the target here. This is nothing but a show of force to China.

Sorry Canada, you’re nothing but a pawn.

What a dumbass rant. Tell us what the average American gains from beating up on our Canadian neighbors.
 

Phynaz

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What a dumbass rant. Tell us what the average American gains from beating up on our Canadian neighbors.

I have no idea how you could read my post and ask this question.

Oh, you’re a moron, that’s right. That’s why I had you on ignore. Back you go!
 

Josephus312

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Canada has no leverage.

On the other hand, apparently one of the negotiating points is the United States wants minimum wage standards and enforcement in the agreement.

Those dirty republicans, insisting that countries we enter into huge trade agreements with pay a fair wage to labor.

Or would you rather Canada turn into a sweatshop competing with China?

But you idiots think this is all for real.
Canada is the equivalent of the street corner drug dealer. China is the target here. This is nothing but a show of force to China.

Sorry Canada, you’re nothing but a pawn.

So you think that China is the target for a NAFTA deal and Canada is a pawn in a game that has nothing to do with China?

I get why you make the drug dealer references but seriously, kid, less meth... It's rotting your brain.
 

Paratus

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I have no idea how you could read my post and ask this question.

Oh, you’re a moron, that’s right. That’s why I had you on ignore. Back you go!

LOL another internet tough guy who has to hide from comments he doesn’t like.
 

Josephus312

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I have no idea how you could read my post and ask this question.

Oh, you’re a moron, that’s right. That’s why I had you on ignore. Back you go!

You should probably put everyone on ignore. There isn't a single person here that would read your post and think "yeah, this NAFTA deal with Canada is just making Canada a pawn in the trade deals with China" other than your dumb ass. I'd bet you couldn't even get the likes of distilled water guy (I forget his name) or boomerang to agree with you on this mentally incompetent tirade.

Something is severely broken in your brain.
 

Jhhnn

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Beating the cash out of the Canadians so that our 1% takes 99% of it for themselves doesn't give the average American enough to matter. There's not much there in the first place considering that their population & GDP are an order of magnitude less than our own. If we want ordinary Americans to be better off we'd do much better to find the money internally. Which is why Trump is running this smokescreen, of course, even as the GOP is letting the financial elite loot the treasury.

For the trickle down, ya silly bastids.
 
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VRAMdemon

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On ongoing NAFTA negotiations. Turns out that in his Bloomberg interview, Trump said a bunch of derogatory stuff about how he's not compromising and how he's going to make Canada his bitch. Which was supposed to be off the record, but the Toronto Star got hold of it somehow and published. The Star has this to say about this President:

"Trump, of course, is known for both dishonesty and for bragging about his own greatness, and he regularly makes dubious claims about how he is supposedly dominating the begging people on the other side of the bargaining table from him. When he claimed to have made no compromises, it is distinctly possible he was making a false claim to impress the Bloomberg journalists".

Naturally, I'm sure this has thrown the trade talks into disarray. Actually The administration should sign a long-term lease on Disarray; they spend all their time there.
 

Engineer

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So to be clear you’re for robust minimum wage standards? I assume you also agree with radically increasing the US minimum wage then?

Good luck on getting an answer on that one. His honest answer is "of course not....we should eliminate the MW to encourage more jobs and higher efficiency'.
 

fskimospy

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Cheeto says Canada not needed in new deal. Warns CONgress not to interfere or he will simply terminate NAFTA and leave nothing in place.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wa...ering-nafta-trade-negotiations-152951737.html

I have never seen such a power grab by the executive branch and a spineless CONgress (GOP) that won't lift a finger to pull him in. Shameful.

That doesn’t really matter though. US policies from NAFTA are mostly statutes congress passed a long time ago. Trump could ‘terminate’ NAFTA and leave nothing in its place but our tariff levels, etc, from NAFTA would remain unchanged.

That is kind of the most Trump thing ever though, make a big deal out of doing something that sounds big but accomplished nothing.
 

rise

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trump could and did bully Mexico and caught an outgoing leader looking for his last payday so that's another softball but one the orange clown finally managed to hit. Be it an easy out or a home run remains to be seen.

But Canada isn't such a pushover.
 

Engineer

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That doesn’t really matter though. US policies from NAFTA are mostly statutes congress passed a long time ago. Trump could ‘terminate’ NAFTA and leave nothing in its place but our tariff levels, etc, from NAFTA would remain unchanged.

That is kind of the most Trump thing ever though, make a big deal out of doing something that sounds big but accomplished nothing.

Except when he levies new tariffs under the name of national security (which I don't have a clue as to how he keeps adding tariffs under that category with, again, not a peep from the GOP CONgress).
 

fskimospy

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Except when he levies new tariffs under the name of national security (which I don't have a clue as to how he keeps adding tariffs under that category with, again, not a peep from the GOP CONgress).

It is true he could keep using the national security exemption but I wonder if those will be vulnerable to legal challenges.
 

UNCjigga

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Since the other NAFTA thread makes no sense to me, I'm bumping this. Looks like Canada agreed to the basic structure of a deal, so all 3 countries are back in before the deadline. Now all 3 seek ratification of the deal at home.

For Republicans, this is the greatest trade deal in the history of trade deals and complete vindication for Trump's strategy of beating up trade partners.

For Democrats, this is ironically an even "free-er" trade deal and a rebranding job (Trump's calling it USMCA vs. NAFTA) which is odd for a President who rails against free trade. But overall, this keeps NAFTA in place and helps Trump with dairy voters in Wisconsin and auto workers in Detroit.
 
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Seems like a lot of work has been done so we (the US) can sell more milk & cheese in Canada.
Regardless good for Trump it’s a small win but still a win.
 
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