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Thank you for being reasonably sane. Seriously. It's refreshing as hell.

I think Trump has some of the right ideas regarding trade, we are the best market for someone to have access to its not an unreasonable requirement to say we don't want you under cutting certain US businesses that are key.
Trump just goes about it in such a disorganized chaotic way, the goal isn't better trade its to feed Trumps ego. That is where the problem resides.
 
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I think Trump has some of the right ideas regarding trade, we are the best market for someone to have access to its not an unreasonable requirement to say we don't want you under cutting certain US businesses that are key.
Trump just goes about it in such a disorganized chaotic way, the goal isn't better trade its to feed Trumps ego. That is where the problem resides.
Agree, Trump is an egotistical clown....but, that said, he's been quite aggressive in attempting to fulfill his promises. A for effort, F for style.
 

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So, uhh, this is like the denuclearization of N Korea, or what? Maybe Trump will fall in love with Trudeau like he did Little Rocket Man. Justin just needs to write letters of affirmation & praise, I suspect.

Can Trump get the Nobel prize in economics to go with his peace prize yet?
 

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So, uhh, this is like the denuclearization of N Korea, or what? Maybe Trump will fall in love with Trudeau like he did Little Rocket Man. Justin just needs to write letters of affirmation & praise, I suspect.

It is obvious that your biggest fears are coming to light. Trump is a good and successful president that is making America great. If he ends up being a good president, then all of your rhetoric will show how empty and hollow the leftists of today are. And that is happening, so you have nothing left but to double down on the hate and close your eyes to the real world around you.
 

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It is obvious that your biggest fears are coming to light. Trump is a good and successful president that is making America great. If he ends up being a good president, then all of your rhetoric will show how empty and hollow the leftists of today are. And that is happening, so you have nothing left but to double down on the hate and close your eyes to the real world around you.

Interesting how so very many of the people who have worked directly with him think he's lazy, incompetent, and emotionally unstable.

I would say that at least so far GWB was more destructive than Trump but it's pretty clear we've never had someone less capable as our president.
 

SlowSpyder

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Interesting how so very many of the people who have worked directly with him think he's lazy, incompetent, and emotionally unstable.

I would say that at least so far GWB was more destructive than Trump but it's pretty clear we've never had someone less capable as our president.


I think he's probably the best POTUS we've had since JFK.
 

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I think he's probably the best POTUS since JFK.

JFK was not a good president, haha. He accomplished little legislatively, ordered the catastrophically inept Bay of Pigs invasion, almost got us annihilated in a preventable nuclear confrontation, and pushed the US deeper into Vietnam. And that was in only 3 years! Imagine what sort of other horrible things he could have done if given more time.

Regardless though, I'm just relying on the judgments of those who have worked with him. They think he's dumb, lazy, and erratic. I don't think we have ever had a president whose staff thought less of him than the current one.
 
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JFK was not a good president, haha. He accomplished little legislatively, ordered the catastrophically inept Bay of Pigs invasion, almost got us annihilated in a preventable nuclear confrontation, and pushed the US deeper into Vietnam. And that was in only 3 years! Imagine what sort of other horrible things he could have done if given more time.

Regardless though, I'm just relying on the judgments of those who have worked with him. They think he's dumb, lazy, and erratic. I don't think we have ever had a president whose staff thought less of him than the current one.


JFK was not a good president? Ok... lol.
 

SlowSpyder

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So you must be pretty old to remember the JFK years.

I was not alive then. But history is recorded and easy to refer to events of recent decades. That was back when the Dems were ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country... so much has changed. "How much free stuff from the government can I get," the mantra today.
 

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JFK was not a good president? Ok... lol.

Very convincing rebuttal. JFK had few legislative accomplishments and his foreign policy was disastrous. His main accomplishment was looking the part.

JFK is considered a good president because he was charismatic and he was murdered. If you look at how he actually did the job he was bad.
 

SlowSpyder

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Very convincing rebuttal. JFK had few legislative accomplishments and his foreign policy was disastrous. His main accomplishment was looking the part.

JFK is considered a good president because he was charismatic and he was murdered. If you look at how he actually did the job he was bad.

Ok, if you say so... Trump is the best president since Teddy Roselvelt then.
 

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I was not alive then. But history is recorded and easy to refer to events of recent decades. That was back when the Dems were ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country... so much has changed. "How much free stuff from the government can I get," the mantra today.
He also said this: "Our basic public welfare programs were enacted more than a quarter century ago. Their contribution to our national strength and well-being in the intervening years has been remarkable."
 

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Ok, if you say so... Trump is the best president since Teddy Roselvelt then.

Theodore Roosevelt was a good president! FDR, Eisenhower, and Obama were all excellent presidents though, far superior to Trump.

At the moment Trump is probably the third worst president. Nobody beats Buchanan for being a shitty president and GWB was just a total catastrophe on every level. After that though I would probably say Trump, he just hasn't accomplished much and he's saddled us with enormous, unprecedented corruption at every level of government. He hasn't gotten people killed like GWB did but he's probably done much more long term damage to our system of government. (although congressional Republicans share much of this blame)
 
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He also said this: "Our basic public welfare programs were enacted more than a quarter century ago. Their contribution to our national strength and well-being in the intervening years has been remarkable."

At the time social security probably looked like a great idea with funding never ending...
 

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Theodore Roosevelt was a good president! FDR, Eisenhower, and Obama were all excellent presidents though, far superior to Trump.

At the moment Trump is probably the third worst president. Nobody beats Buchanan for being a shitty president and GWB was just a total catastrophe on every level. After that though I would probably say Trump, he just hasn't accomplished much and he's saddled us with enormous, unprecedented corruption at every level of government. He hasn't gotten people killed like GWB did but he's probably done much more long term damage to our system of government. (although congressional Republicans share much of this blame)

FDR did a great job navigating the WW2 waters, but I don't care for much of his domestic policy, he really kick-started huge government. Eisenhower was good at what he did, and I believe he was the one that warned about the military industrial machine... wise words. Obama was an ok president, I think he gets kicked in the nuts too hard from the right, he took over a bad situation from the GWB years and really turned things around. I don't agree with a lot of what he did, but overall I think he wasn't bad... far from "great" and not as good as Trump. Your partisanship won't allow you to see it, but Trump's doing a fantastic job for America.
 

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FDR did a great job navigating the WW2 waters, but I don't care for much of his domestic policy, he really kick-started huge government. Eisenhower was good at what he did, and I believe he was the one that warned about the military industrial machine... wise words. Obama was an ok president, I think he gets kicked in the nuts too hard from the right, he took over a bad situation from the GWB years and really turned things around. I don't agree with a lot of what he did, but overall I think he wasn't bad... far from "great" and not as good as Trump. Your partisanship won't allow you to see it, but Trump's doing a fantastic job for America.

Whatever you need to tell yourself. I'm sure that's why he has a 40% approval rating and why an unprecedentedly large percentage of his senior officials think he's dangerously incompetent. I mean it's truly amazing that a senior White House official thought things were so bad that he had to write an op-ed to the country telling us that Trump's staff is diligently working to prevent him from catastrophically fucking the country up.

I'm sure it's everyone else who isn't seeing Trump for who he is, not you.
 

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FDR did a great job navigating the WW2 waters, but I don't care for much of his domestic policy, he really kick-started huge government. Eisenhower was good at what he did, and I believe he was the one that warned about the military industrial machine... wise words. Obama was an ok president, I think he gets kicked in the nuts too hard from the right, he took over a bad situation from the GWB years and really turned things around. I don't agree with a lot of what he did, but overall I think he wasn't bad... far from "great" and not as good as Trump. Your partisanship won't allow you to see it, but Trump's doing a fantastic job for America.
Which part of America would that be, those that need help wrt healthcare, those with stagnated wages, Or those with stock portfolios?
 

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Whatever you need to tell yourself. I'm sure that's why he has a 40% approval rating and why an unprecedentedly large percentage of his senior officials think he's dangerously incompetent. I mean it's truly amazing that a senior White House official thought things were so bad that he had to write an op-ed to the country telling us that Trump's staff is diligently working to prevent him from catastrophically fucking the country up.

I'm sure it's everyone else who isn't seeing Trump for who he is, not you.


He has an approval rating similar to Obama at this point in his presidency, a president you just called "excellent". In this partisan world, I'm not sure you can get much higher than 50% outside a national tragedy (as GWB had after 9/11, and regardless of approval rating, we both agree GWB was not a good president despite his approval rating being higher than either Obama or Trump, right?). I'm sure Trump is a difficult personality to work with, you cling to these he said she said gossip stories as truth and run with it. Two years in and the country isn't fucked up, our economy is soaring, unemployment is down, we are getting better trade deals, etc. etc. All important metrics are ticking in the positive direction while you and your kind claim the sky is falling. At this rate Trump will be on our currency one day.
 

fskimospy

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He has an approval rating similar to Obama at this point in his presidency, a president you just called "excellent". In this partisan world, I'm not sure you can get much higher than 50% outside a national tragedy (as GWB had after 9/11, and regardless of approval rating, we both agree GWB was not a good president despite his approval rating being higher than either Obama or Trump, right?). I'm sure Trump is a difficult personality to work with, you cling to these he said she said gossip stories as truth and run with it. Two years in and the country isn't fucked up, our economy is soaring, unemployment is down, we are getting better trade deals, etc. etc. All important metrics are ticking in the positive direction while you and your kind claim the sky is falling. At this rate Trump will be on our currency one day.

Nobody claims the sky is falling, you're just making things up now. There's little reason to believe Trump's policies have had anything to do with our economic growth over the last two years considering it's on basically the same trajectory as it was for the last several years under Obama. (it's marginally worse in most metrics but close enough) As for the 'gossip stories', you're in denial of reality. The op-ed wasn't sharing gossip about Trump, it was saying he's dangerously unstable and should be removed from office. If that doesn't alarm you, it should.

It's interesting to see how when your emotional need for Trump to be successful is threatened you just become more and more extreme in your approval. Is it really that hard to admit that Trump just isn't very good at his job, probably because he's too ignorant, lazy, and unstable to do it properly?
 
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