Can acting cabinet members vote on the 25th Amendment? Or are only confirmed cabinet members counted?
Can acting cabinet members vote on the 25th Amendment? Or are only confirmed cabinet members counted?
For the purposes of this I'm guessing confirmed officials only.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
And do the seats of the acting members count towards the total? i.e. do they still need to get 8 cabinet members on board, or do they only need 7 due to there only being 12 non-acting members?
Seriously dude, stop posting while stoned out of your fucking mind...You know... I find it funny that no Republican to this day, asked to pass a law that gave the power over ruling the legality of prostitution from state to federal legislation. It would have passed with enough votes to make it an ammendment, and illegalize prostitution. The only state in the U.S. that has prostitution legal is Nevada, no joke.
It just shows that Republicans are pervs.... by the way.... what is the Democrats stance over prostitution???
I'm not sure folks understand the timeline and bureaucracy involved with the 25th. Even if Pence was able to get the majority of Trump's cabinet on board he'd need to invoke it, all Trump has to do is send a letter to Congress saying he's fine to resume his duties and make it *really* difficult for it to effect his permanent removal. It's not *actually* a quick and easily solution to anything more than stopping an immediate crisis.
1) VP + half the cabinet declare the president unable to serveI'm not sure folks understand the timeline and bureaucracy involved with the 25th. Even if Pence was able to get the majority of Trump's cabinet on board he'd need to invoke it, all Trump has to do is send a letter to Congress saying he's fine to resume his duties and make it *really* difficult for it to effect his permanent removal. It's not *actually* a quick and easily solution to anything more than stopping an immediate crisis.
There are a lot of sane Republicans.
Did you hear Matt gaetz last night go on about antifa really stormed the capital and BLM and socialists? As he was doing that there more than a few house members cheering him on.
Did you hear Matt gaetz last night go on about antifa really stormed the capital and BLM and socialists? As he was doing that there more than a few house members cheering him on.
I don't want to replay it because the idiocy spewing out of his mouth will make me want to punch my monitor.
I'm also more worried about a comment I heard last night on the news, that there may be foreign agents among the domestic terrorists, and they may have accessed so much classified info, installed malware onto computers, etc.
It would be a golden opportunity.I don't want to replay it because the idiocy spewing out of his mouth will make me want to punch my monitor.
I'm also more worried about a comment I heard last night on the news, that there may be foreign agents among the domestic terrorists, and they may have accessed so much classified info, installed malware onto computers, etc.
And again starting after 1/20.Yup. Not hard to slip a USB thumb drive into a computer amid all that chaos. Every single machine in the Capitol building needs to be considered compromised and be replaced- including all network infrastructure. Every single thing with a microprocessor and writable storage needs to go in a shredder.
1) VP + half the cabinet declare the president unable to serve
2) VP becomes acting president immediately after that declaration
3) VP must transmit it to Speaker of the house and President Pro Tempore
4) President can object to the declaration. VP has 4 days to declare him still incompetent
5) if the president objects and the VP says no, the house and senate have 21 days to meet and decide
with only like 15 days left until trump is out, if trump fights back against the 25th, then congress can just... not do anything and it wont matter cause trump will be out before the deadline
i haven't seen anyone refute any of this.....
Section 1
In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
Section 2
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
Section 3
Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.
Section 4
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
It's a poorly worded amendment in that the reader doesn't know that the VP is Acting President during the time it takes Congress to make a decision until you get to the "the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President" clause. That should have been made clear when the VP delivered the second declaration to Congress. The other thing is that the President is never removed from office, only relieved of duties. How a President may resume his duties is left open. My assumption is that Congress would have to act a second time to restore the President to duty. In the Trump case of being batshit crazy, that second act of Congress would not likely happen. In the case where a President was incapacitated due to illness, it would make sense to return the President to duty after recovery.Ah, fair enough. From the straight text of the amendment, it hadn't been clear to me that the VP would be acting president during the 21 day period. I see that the general consensus is that he would be. That changes things.
Did you hear Matt gaetz last night go on about how antifa really stormed the capital and BLM and socialists? As he was doing that there were more than a few house members cheering him on.
In a poll, about half the Republicans support a violent mob storming the capitol:
Most voters say the events at the US Capitol are a threat to democracy | YouGov
A YouGov Direct poll of 1,397 registered voters who had heard about the event finds that most (62%) voters perceive today's actions as a threat to democracy.today.yougov.com
"In fact, many Republicans (45%) actively support the actions of those at the Capitol, although as many expressed their opposition (43%). "
Thank God. This should have been the first response once the rioters started amassing on the capital steps and entrances. I hope the entire leadership of the capital police are summarily fired and possibly face charges. As noted by other posters, this was entirely preventable.
The night shift appears to be a bit more aggressive in their policing