I frankly can't bring myself to care. I've never owned a gun in my 53 years, probably never will, dislike cops in general and think their blue wall bullshit is out of control. Yet when these fucking white supremacist insane people take it upon themselves to attack government buildings--over complete, and utter bullshit!--I really don't care if they get mowed down, other than the mental anguish it might put on those doing the mowing. Any sane person part of an armed mob attacking an important government building should expect to be met with force. The secret service is no joke and they are not going to wait around to see if you are an ok guy just because you have a buffalo headdress on. Any incursion into the Capitol should be considered a hostile force, period, no matter how fucking fat and ridiculous they look.
These people are nutters. Dangerous nutters. They are extremists as much as the jihadists blowing themselves to get into heaven to sleep with 1000 virgins or whatever the fuck they think. (Thankfully, our fat and happy version of jihadists don't tend to have the whole self-sacrifice propensity like their Muslim brethren....)
Or at least these:I'd be okay with a few of these in strategic positions:
Thread is too big for me to search for this, but since I just found it I thought I'd post it. A reporter walks in and is told that she can't go in when she asks what is going on. The policeman and the reporter are talking over a line of Trump supporters marching right in.
I agree. But the policeman telling the press person, "you can't go in. No one can go in" is crazy. They could be overwhelmed. They could be letting the protestors in. The conclusion is the same, it was mismanaged. They either weren't prepared or they didn't care.I think we really need to avoid inventing narratives from 17 second, out of context clips. That's how conspiracy theories form, and we don't need more of those.
A lot of other clips show police being overwhelmed and beaten, and many landed in the hospital, and one died trying to stop these people.
Just like the outdoor clips that show calmly opening barriers and letting them stroll through. I think that creates a false narrative that the were just allowed in.
Here is a shot of what the main force was doing outside the building and how they were completely overwhelmed by a massed mob attacking them.
I agree. But the policeman telling the press person, "you can't go in. No one can go in" is crazy. They could be overwhelmed. They could be letting the protestors in. The conclusion is the same, it was mismanaged. They either weren't prepared or they didn't care.
My problem is to tell the press person she can't go in while clearly not telling that to the other people.
I think in that clip, they finally stood aside because all the congressional people had been cleared from the room and a tactical team was making its way up the stairs. Probably moving out of the line of fire between the police in the room and the tactical team coming up the stairs.There is video, right before Ashli Babbit was shot, and there were terrified Security standing guard outside that door, The mob basically threatened them into standing aside so they could get through. That wasn't a case of complicit security just letting them pass. They were overwhelmed and terrified by a mob, that was either going to get them out of the way or go through them.
Im saying the same thing. Not sure what you are trying to prove. Someone in charge knew the President was calling in a riot force. They chose to be understaffed. That choice led to the breach and deaths. Frankly I don't care if individual officers were complicit. It was a failure. The failure could have happened at any level or at multiple.Who they hell knows right now? Maybe they were threatened after being previously overwhelmed, and are in shock, and repeats you aren't allowed in when asked, even though he is powerless to stop anything now. Maybe she was pointing in the other direction. We have no context in a 17 second clip.
You can see from other videos that there was massive resistance by the police initially until the collapsed under overwhelming mob numbers.
There is video, right before Ashli Babbit was shot, and there were terrified Security standing guard outside that door, The mob basically threatened them into standing aside so they could get through. That wasn't a case of complicit security just letting them pass. They were overwhelmed and terrified by a mob, that was either going to get them out of the way or go through them.
Then Babbit was shot as the first to attempt to breach, by the security inside that door, which wasn't in the same position to be intimidated by the mob.
Im saying the same thing. Not sure what you are trying to prove. Someone in charge knew the President was calling in a riot force. They chose to be understaffed. That choice led to the breach and deaths. Frankly I don't care if individual officers were complicit. It was a failure. The failure could have happened at any level or at multiple.
My issue with the clip was that once everything failed and criminals were pouring through the doors, the security guy tells the press person "you can't go in."You were making it about a 17 second clip with no context. I was saying that isn't the story.
At least we agree on the real story, which was the massive mistake in lack of preparation. Adequate preparations outside, would have kept them away from the building, and limited fatalities (some were heart attacks, that may have happened anyway).
Im saying the same thing. Not sure what you are trying to prove. Someone in charge knew the President was calling in a riot force. They chose to be understaffed. That choice led to the breach and deaths. Frankly I don't care if individual officers were complicit. It was a failure. The failure could have happened at any level or at multiple.
Capitol police and FBI, I kid you not, are claiming they had no intelligence that they were going to breach the capitol. Heads need to roll. The FBI needs to be cleaned out of all of the Trump garbage.The notion that they "chose to be understaffed" is unknown and, at this point, debatable. The explanation could be simple incompetence. They had no intelligence reports that an attack on the capitol building itself was expected. They were expecting an angry protest, not an invasion. In spite of several social media posts suggesting that an invasion was planned. Could be a failure of whoever is responsible for monitoring this social media activity. Or perhaps the capital police themselves should have been monitoring Parler and 8kun. I can see incredulity being the driving problem here: a capitol invasion has not happened since 1812 and they didn't seriously expect it to happen this time.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.
Capitol police and FBI, I kid you not, are claiming they had no intelligence that they were going to breach the capitol. Heads need to roll. The FBI needs to be cleaned out of all of the Trump garbage.
You may be right, but is damn hard to reconcile the idea that they were just expecting a "protest", which is the same as the BLM march over summer, and how disparate the two different scenarios played out.I'm aware the capital police have said that, and I tend to believe them. They aren't tasked with monitoring social media. The FBI is, and should have warned the capitol police. Maybe they were asleep at the wheel and did not review those social media posts, or maybe they did see them and didn't take them seriously.
Bottom line is that I won't accept that federal law enforcement was complicit with Trump's coup attempt until it's proven. Until then, I'm going to assume that one or more people screwed up because that explanation is entirely plausible and is consistent with my experience with human beings and human organizations in general.
You may be right, but is damn hard to reconcile the idea that they were just expecting a "protest", which is the same as the BLM march over summer, and how disparate the two different scenarios played out.
They chose to be unprepared. They were offered the national guard. whether that choice was due to incompetence or because they didn't want to upset the MAGAts doesn't really matter. They made the wrong choice when clearly presented with an alternative.The notion that they "chose to be understaffed" is unknown and, at this point, debatable. The explanation could be simple incompetence. They had no intelligence reports that an attack on the capitol building itself was expected. They were expecting an angry protest, not an invasion. In spite of several social media posts suggesting that an invasion was planned. Could be a failure of whoever is responsible for monitoring this social media activity. Or perhaps the capital police themselves should have been monitoring Parler and 8kun. I can see incredulity being the driving problem here: a capitol invasion has not happened since 1812 and they didn't seriously expect it to happen this time.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.
Good. Hawley and cruz need to be made an example of.Houston Chronicle has called for Cruz to be expelled from Senate.
I think the FBI should look at every republican staffer and Senator and Reps phones for evidence of support or assistance of the coup and expell them.
They chose to be unprepared. They were offered the national guard. whether that choice was due to incompetence or because they didn't want to upset the MAGAts doesn't really matter. They made the wrong choice when clearly presented with an alternative.
Capitol Police rejected offers of federal help to quell mob
WASHINGTON (AP) — Three days before supporters of President Donald Trump rioted at the Capitol, the Pentagon asked the U.S Capitol Police if it needed National Guard manpower.apnews.com
Remember the storm trooper looking guys waiting at the Lincoln memorial for BLM?
I'm not saying complicit. I'm just saying they can't say they didn't think about it or didn't have reason to believe it was a possible outcome.Even your own article says the reason they refused was that after the national guard incident back in June, they didn't think it was a good look to have the national guard there for another protest. Sounds like a miscalculation to me, not proof of complicity in an insurrection.