US just canceled UN vote, Bush to address nation at 8PM tonight

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Czar
a pitty since the undecided members of the UN security council have been very keen on the idea of giving Iraq 30-45 days to disarm, UK has been thinking about that benchmark idea and france starting to like the 30-45 days idea also, then this not to mention without UN support UK politics will go crazy along with Spain

the future ahead looks indeed very dark

I dont think the UK can attack. If so, the UK govt will collapse

Ironic that Mexico didnt vote for the resolution. they would have been #9 and give bush a moral victory. hahaha...President Fox leaves Bush twisting in the wind.

I wonder what kind to ecomonic repraisals Bush will levy against Mexico...

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: XFILE
Kiss the UN goodbye :disgust:

Hello chaos and new Cold War

Good riddance, the UN is teh suck

Cold War?
you greatly overestimate the value of Iraq's influence.

 

[AntaresVI]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Hopefully, the American people will remember this when it comes election time.

a double-edged sword, you have there. I think that this war will enhance his popularity, at least temporarily.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Hopefully, the American people will remember this when it comes election time.

I know I will. Which is why I will vote for W again.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Czar
a pitty since the undecided members of the UN security council have been very keen on the idea of giving Iraq 30-45 days to disarm, UK has been thinking about that benchmark idea and france starting to like the 30-45 days idea also, then this not to mention without UN support UK politics will go crazy along with Spain

the future ahead looks indeed very dark

Yeah, I guess the last 30-45 day ultimatum wasn't enough, or even the last 11 years.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: XFILE

lol

my thoughts exactly. why join the UN if you will only abide by it only when it suites your needs?

LMAO! It's a perfect question to pose to France, Germany etc.
THEY are not abiding by 1441.

 

[StageLeft]

At long last the beginning of the end of Saddamn. Perhaps old saddamn can go for a last hoo-ra around his prisons for a last-minute torture session and shooting his gun in the air before he runs and hides.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Grey
a 30 day timeline for WHAT though. more inspections? They were getting nowhere, Iraq was leading them around by the nose. Iraq only offered evidence when Bush said "iraq has xxx and they never told us!" The threat of force was working but not fast enough. 30 days would have done nothing for the inspections and just made the war more costly for the US troops.

30 more days for the inspectors to give a final decision, 30 days and within a timetable with benchmarks for Saddam to realy show that he means to disarm, if not then war, that would probably be the best solution for all sides

Nice idea but France said they would veto any resolution authorizing force. Blame the failure of that idea on France.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Grey
a 30 day timeline for WHAT though. more inspections? They were getting nowhere, Iraq was leading them around by the nose. Iraq only offered evidence when Bush said "iraq has xxx and they never told us!" The threat of force was working but not fast enough. 30 days would have done nothing for the inspections and just made the war more costly for the US troops.

30 more days for the inspectors to give a final decision, 30 days and within a timetable with benchmarks for Saddam to realy show that he means to disarm, if not then war, that would probably be the best solution for all sides

This is so tired. 30 days here and 30 days there = 12 years.

 

[Grey]

Man the Iraqis are fleeing Baghad like crazy on the CNN interview I saw.

 

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Hopefully, the American people will remember this when it comes election time.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Grey
a 30 day timeline for WHAT though. more inspections? They were getting nowhere, Iraq was leading them around by the nose. Iraq only offered evidence when Bush said "iraq has xxx and they never told us!" The threat of force was working but not fast enough. 30 days would have done nothing for the inspections and just made the war more costly for the US troops.

30 more days for the inspectors to give a final decision, 30 days and within a timetable with benchmarks for Saddam to realy show that he means to disarm, if not then war, that would probably be the best solution for all sides

Nice idea but France said they would veto any resolution authorizing force. Blame the failure of that idea on France.

why is everyone always focusing on france? it was Russia who first said that it would veto anything and no one mentions them (sorry, just ranting)

do you think this proposal would be something that the US could accept?

 

[Degenerate]

Game Over. Game went over time. 12 years was long enough. 30 days wont make the slightest difference. Remove that man, what ever it takes.

By the way, here in australia there has been lots of talk of using "3000 missles in 48 hrs"... any one got an american source of this?

 

[Grey]

No, the time is past Czar, it is to late. Saddam has to be punished now. If the US waits any longer it will be 110f degrees out and the chemical suits the troops have to wear will cause to much loss of life. The US can't wait 30 days, then wait 5 months for the heat to die down and then attack it makes no logical sense.

What exactly do you want 30 additional days for? Blix has already submitted multiple "final reports' that all say we wish for more cooperation we wish they would tell us, we wish we knew where. What exactly do you think it will accomplish Jeez? Dont answer they need more time!

 

[cmdavid]

please.. "france was possibly accepting another 30 days.." thats bs and you know it.. they approved the resolution back in november basically backing military action in 45 days or whatever and then turn around and threaten to veto.. Bush is a smart man for not putting up with this crap from the UN any longer..
I don't care what the world thinks about this war with Iraq, Bush has to look out for what is best for his country and his people...

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: NFS4
Hopefully, the American people will remember this when it comes election time.

I know I will. Which is why I will vote for W again.

me too... he stuck to his word.. didnt let politics interfere with what he thinks is the best interest for his country....

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Grey
No, the time is past Czar, it is to late. Saddam has to be punished now. If the US waits any longer it will be 110f degrees out and the chemical suits the troops have to wear will cause to much loss of life. The US can't wait 30 days, then wait 5 months for the heat to die down and then attack it makes no logical sense.

What exactly do you want 30 additional days for? Blix has already submitted multiple "final reports' that all say we wish for more cooperation we wish they would tell us, we wish we knew where. What exactly do you think it will accomplish Jeez? Dont answer they need more time!

Sure, they need more time! They are smashing 7 obselete missles a day in a mall parking lot! They need more time!

 

[isaacmacdonald]

Originally posted by: Grey
No, the time is past Czar, it is to late. Saddam has to be punished now. If the US waits any longer it will be 110f degrees out and the chemical suits the troops have to wear will cause to much loss of life. The US can't wait 30 days, then wait 5 months for the heat to die down and then attack it makes no logical sense.

What exactly do you want 30 additional days for? Blix has already submitted multiple "final reports' that all say we wish for more cooperation we wish they would tell us, we wish we knew where. What exactly do you think it will accomplish Jeez? Dont answer they need more time!

once again, all tactics, no strategy.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Grey
No, the time is past Czar, it is to late. Saddam has to be punished now. If the US waits any longer it will be 110f degrees out and the chemical suits the troops have to wear will cause to much loss of life. The US can't wait 30 days, then wait 5 months for the heat to die down and then attack it makes no logical sense.

What exactly do you want 30 additional days for? Blix has already submitted multiple "final reports' that all say we wish for more cooperation we wish they would tell us, we wish we knew where. What exactly do you think it will accomplish Jeez? Dont answer they need more time!

this is no longer about Saddam we all know he will go one way or another, it is about how much damage international cooperation will take, right now its aiming for maximum damage

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: cmdavid
please.. "france was possibly accepting another 30 days.." thats bs and you know it.. they approved the resolution back in november basically backing military action in 45 days or whatever and then turn around and threaten to veto.. Bush is a smart man for not putting up with this crap from the UN any longer..
I don't care what the world thinks about this war with Iraq, Bush has to look out for what is best for his country and his people...

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: NFS4
Hopefully, the American people will remember this when it comes election time.

I know I will. Which is why I will vote for W again.

me too... he stuck to his word.. didnt let politics interfere with what he thinks is the best interest for his country....

Best interests for his country? What the F*&K is Saddam gonna do to us half way across the globe and with short range missles? Saddam may be an evil bastard, but he ain't no Bin Laden.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: cmdavid
please.. "france was possibly accepting another 30 days.." thats bs and you know it.. they approved the resolution back in november basically backing military action in 45 days or whatever and then turn around and threaten to veto.. Bush is a smart man for not putting up with this crap from the UN any longer..
I don't care what the world thinks about this war with Iraq, Bush has to look out for what is best for his country and his people...

And again I have to say this resolution 1441 did NOT authorize war

 

[SaltBoy]

War looks inevitable, that's for sure. I have one question though, which I'm sure has been discussed ad nauseum already, but I didn't really see anything here...

Suppose that when we go to war Saddam starts to use weapons of mass destruction that he claimed he never had. What will be the world's response then? Will they still scoff at Bush and his allies for going to war without complete international support, or will they join in the fight against Saddam because Bush was right all along?

Whatever the answer is, it doesn't matter. Link

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Grey
a 30 day timeline for WHAT though. more inspections? They were getting nowhere, Iraq was leading them around by the nose. Iraq only offered evidence when Bush said "iraq has xxx and they never told us!" The threat of force was working but not fast enough. 30 days would have done nothing for the inspections and just made the war more costly for the US troops.

30 more days for the inspectors to give a final decision, 30 days and within a timetable with benchmarks for Saddam to realy show that he means to disarm, if not then war, that would probably be the best solution for all sides

This is so tired. 30 days here and 30 days there = 12 years.

Yep, exactly what's happened, Saddam has defied 3 US Presidents, time to kick some ass...

There should be a good program tonight on PBS Frontline

The Long Road to War

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: cmdavid
please.. "france was possibly accepting another 30 days.." thats bs and you know it.. they approved the resolution back in november basically backing military action in 45 days or whatever and then turn around and threaten to veto.. Bush is a smart man for not putting up with this crap from the UN any longer..
I don't care what the world thinks about this war with Iraq, Bush has to look out for what is best for his country and his people...

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: NFS4
Hopefully, the American people will remember this when it comes election time.

I know I will. Which is why I will vote for W again.

me too... he stuck to his word.. didnt let politics interfere with what he thinks is the best interest for his country....

Best interests for his country? What the F*&K is Saddam gonna do to us half way across the globe and with short range missles? Saddam may be an evil bastard, but he ain't no Bin Laden.

Don't be so naive. You think Bin Laden has more resources than Saddam? You think Saddam wouldn't use Bin Laden for their same common goal? COME ON! :frown:

EDIT: Even if he doesn't have long range missiles now, with his continuing defiance of the UN and the International Community in continuing to develop weapons, it would just be a matter of time.

 

[isaacmacdonald]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: cmdavid
please.. "france was possibly accepting another 30 days.." thats bs and you know it.. they approved the resolution back in november basically backing military action in 45 days or whatever and then turn around and threaten to veto.. Bush is a smart man for not putting up with this crap from the UN any longer..
I don't care what the world thinks about this war with Iraq, Bush has to look out for what is best for his country and his people...

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: NFS4
Hopefully, the American people will remember this when it comes election time.

I know I will. Which is why I will vote for W again.

me too... he stuck to his word.. didnt let politics interfere with what he thinks is the best interest for his country....

Best interests for his country? What the F*&K is Saddam gonna do to us half way across the globe and with short range missles? Saddam may be an evil bastard, but he ain't no Bin Laden.

Saddam will do nothing (as intelligence suggests) until we actually go to war and are ankle deep in blood on the streets of baghdad.

More likely, we are trying to give a demonstration of what the US does to relatively week but stupid countries that oppose our rule. It could be argued that "putting the smack down" will improve our international stance, but it's mostly just an effort to get a little leverage with small states like the DPRK (rather than the economic powerhouses that we should really be focusing on).

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: SaltBoy
War looks inevitable, that's for sure. I have one question though, which I'm sure has been discussed ad nauseum already, but I didn't really see anything here...

Suppose that when we go to war Saddam starts to use weapons of mass destruction that he claimed he never had. What will be the world's response then? Will they still scoff at Bush and his allies for going to war without complete international support, or will they join in the fight against Saddam because Bush was right all along?

Whatever the answer is, it doesn't matter. Link

I have tears in my eyes from that link, funny as hell