US moves to phase out compact fluorescent light bulbs and push market toward LEDs

[JEDI]

First on CNN: Biden administration moves to phase out compact fluorescent light bulbs and push market toward LEDs | CNN Politics

A new Biden rule would effectively phase out compact fluorescent light bulbs and move the US light bulb markets decisively to more energy-efficient LEDs.

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The Department of Energy is unveiling a new proposed rule that, if enacted, would effectively phase out compact fluorescent light bulbs and move the US light bulb markets decisively to more energy-efficient LEDs.

The rule would more than double the current minimum light bulb efficiency level, from its current standard of 45 lumens per watt to over 120 lumens per watt for the most common bulbs.


Not going to spend $ on LED's because I still have a ton of CFL's at home.
At the rate i'm placing burned out cfl's in my house (1 or 2 a year), i have enough to last decades.

Dont understand the urgency of eliminating CFL's?
CFL's are still considered energy efficient.

 

[IronWing]

We replaced our CFLs years ago. They were a stop gap technology while LEDs got better. I don't miss them and certainly don't mind ending all that mercury use.

 

[K1052]

Now for the love of god can every person in America be made to sit through a tutorial on color temperatures?

Eating in a place with 5000K LEDs is like dining in an operating theatre.

 

[JEDI]

We replaced our CFLs years ago. They were a stop gap technology while LEDs got better. I don't miss them and certainly don't mind ending all that mercury use.

you replaced perfectly good cfl's?

That makes no financial sense?
the energy efficiency of LED's over CFLs arent as huge as cfl's over incandescents.

 

[MrSquished]

Now for the love of god can every person in America be made to sit through a tutorial on color temperatures?

Eating in a place with 5000K LEDs is like dining in an operating theatre.

It's pretty amazing how people don't like to learn even little things. I learned pretty quick about the color temperature of LEDs. I'd like to replace all the LEDs in my condo to warmer ones but I will wait on that to do them all at once.

But even when picking out a lantern for camping I made sure to get a bio light that had a solid warm LED setting. Same with the Christmas lights I hung on my bicycle I bought a string of warm LEDs.

I know the lights behind my TV could be warmer but they were expensive so I decided to let that slide.

But yet people just can't differentiate, they just think LEDs are all the same. It's great that people want to adopt new technology that's the most efficient it's just realize there are a few different categories of light temperature and how it affects the human brain.

 

[IronWing]

you replaced perfectly good cfl's?

That makes no financial sense?
the energy efficiency of LED's over CFLs arent as huge as cfl's over incandescents.

They were burning out as we have dirty power.

 

[RearAdmiral]

Now for the love of god can every person in America be made to sit through a tutorial on color temperatures?

Eating in a place with 5000K LEDs is like dining in an operating theatre.

I thoroughly judge my neighbors based on their color temperature. I comment to my wife on this all the time lol.

 

[Pohemi]

Eating in a place with 5000K LEDs is like dining in an operating theatre.

It's pretty amazing how people don't like to learn even little things. I learned pretty quick about the color temperature of LEDs. I'd like to replace all the LEDs in my condo to warmer ones but I will wait on that to do them all at once.

My bathroom and kitchen overheads, and a table lamp on my desk are the only fixtures with 5000K+, the dining area, bedroom, and the rest of the lamps are all 3500K or so. I have one floor lamp that is adjustable, and I wish they all were. I'm not going to replace them all with multi-temp smart bulbs for that ability though.

 

[K1052]

I thoroughly judge my neighbors based on their color temperature. I comment to my wife on this all the time lol.

This is entirely fair IMO.

 

[K1052]

My bathroom and kitchen overheads, and a table lamp on my desk are the only fixtures with 5000K+, the dining area, bedroom, and the rest of the lamps are all 3500K or so. I have one floor lamp that is adjustable, and I wish they all were. I'm not going to replace them all with multi-temp smart bulbs for that ability though.

Fixed temp lights are 3000K here (except under cabinets which are closer to 3500ish) but we've got a lot of stand alone Hue stuff which is fully adjustable. Some of the fixtures are just easier kept on simple regular switches for visitors and service providers instead of fumbling with an app etc.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I scrap CFLs for LED whenever I feel the need. Outside is all LED now and almost all of the indoor units are too. I still have a few CFLs in garage overheads.

I use the bright and ultra white outdoors and in work areas, with 3500-4000 indoor.

I don't really care about banning curly bulbs or incandescents, but I'm gonna get real uppity if they ban gas stoves like I recently read they might.

 

[dullard]

Not going to spend $ on LED's because I still have a ton of CFL's at home.
At the rate i'm placing burned out cfl's in my house (1 or 2 a year), i have enough to last decades.

Dont understand the urgency of eliminating CFL's?
CFL's are still considered energy efficient.

There is nothing saying you would have to spend money on LEDs. You can continue using your CFLs without issue. In fact, the proposal doesn't even ban just CFLs. It bans many LEDs too--requiring new LED bulbs to be far more efficient than most LEDs on the market now.

When incandescent bulbs were being discussed as a phase out item, my father-in-law went to Walmart repeatedly to buy out all of their incandescent bulbs. He has dozens of banker's boxes full of them costing him hundreds of dollars if not close to a thousand. He never used more than a half-dozen total of those bulbs. When asked why, he said he preferred LEDs. Don't be like him--clinging on to old technology for no valid reason. Embrace change. LEDs are good as long as you buy half-way decent bulbs.

For me, I only buy LEDs but I am not throwing out all CFLs. As they burn out every year, I replace them with LEDs.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I have the full perimeter of the house and much of the yard lit with less than 100 watts of LEDs. I couldn't do that with CFLs.

 

[MrSquished]

anybody who wants a nice camping lantern or just for using around the house, this is the best one from all the research I did. My best friend who is a light temperature elitist also agreed it was the best of the lot, so I know I done good. The warm white setting is quite lovely and miles better than the standard white setting

AlpenGlow 500

Inspired by light found in nature, AlpenGlow 500 delivers bright illumination or colorful ambience depending on your mood or task. Featuring ChromaReal LED technology, true-tone light renders colors accurately in lowlight conditions so you can ditch the harsh glares and enjoy a light that is...

www.bioliteenergy.com

 

[Fenixgoon]

Now for the love of god can every person in America be made to sit through a tutorial on color temperatures?

Eating in a place with 5000K LEDs is like dining in an operating theatre.

3300K can bite my shiny metal ass. It's depressing as hell. 4000-4400K is the sweet spot

 

[lxskllr]

When incandescent bulbs were being discussed as a phase out item, my father-in-law went to Walmart repeatedly to buy out all of their incandescent bulbs. He has dozens of banker's boxes full of them costing him hundreds of dollars if not close to a thousand. He never used more than a half-dozen total of those bulbs. When asked why, he said he preferred LEDs. Don't be like him--clinging on to old technology for no valid reason. Embrace change. LEDs are good as long as you buy half-way decent bulbs.

I bought a bunch of incandescents to hoard, but nowhere near that many. Might have been five 4packs 6packs or something like that. CFLs have always been steaming piles of shit, and LEDs weren't mature yet, as well as being expensive. I use almost all LED now, but there's a couple places incandescents are better. I'll use most or all of what I have before I'm dead, and I'm not upset about buying them. They weren't much money, and it was cheap insurance.

edit:
just looked, and they were 6pack boxes. I think I got four of them, but I can't remember. The boxes have been split and discarded over time.

 

[JEDI]

When incandescent bulbs were being discussed as a phase out item, my father-in-law went to Walmart repeatedly to buy out all of their incandescent bulbs. He has dozens of banker's boxes full of them costing him hundreds of dollars if not close to a thousand. He never used more than a half-dozen total of those bulbs. When asked why, he said he preferred LEDs. Don't be like him--clinging on to old technology for no valid reason. Embrace change. LEDs are good as long as you buy half-way decent bulbs.

For me, I only buy LEDs but I am not throwing out all CFLs. As they burn out every year, I replace them with LEDs.

wow @ your FIL.

when i heard incandescents were being phased out, i thought finally!
i like CFL, especially their cool spiral shape.

as my cfl's burn out, i'll replace with the cfl's i have in stock.
as i said above, it'll be a decade till I need to buy another light bulb thanks to fatwallet (RIP ) and slick deals.

and thx for the clarification about the new proposed light bulb standard affects even some LEDs.
by the time i need to buy light bulbs, i hope cold nuclear fusion light bulbs will be the new standard

 

[gorobei]

while LEDs are nice, some bulbs are designed really poorly.
the heatsinks for the filiament type are generally insufficient. and the ice cream cone type generally direct most of the light upwards despite the diffuser.

the advantage of led is the longevity, better heatsinks will do way more for that by lowering operating temps on COBs. with some of the current types (depending on the orientation of the light fixture/bulb), the heat often has nowhere to go which results in shorter life.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I replaced most of my CFLs with LED but what I hate about LED is the defective rate is very high. Like half the bulbs I install end up acting up and I need to replace them. They typically have weird issues like randomly turning off and on. It's not a thermal protection thing either as some are in open fixtures and not even in a hot environment. Seems most are built down to a price. Be nice if they at least made them easier to open, make the plastic part screw off so you can repair them.

 

[lxskllr]

Yea, LEDs can be squirrelly. The prices have dropped so much though that good ones outweigh the lame ones. I got a nightlight that has two settings. It appears to overheat on the high setting, and flashes on and off. The high setting is too bright for a nightlight anyway, so it isn't a big deal, but that never should have left the design stage with a high setting.

 

[highland145]

They were burning out as we have dirty power.

Tell us more.

 

[Ajay]

Tell us more.

 

[Ajay]

3300K can bite my shiny metal ass. It's depressing as hell. 4000-4400K is the sweet spot

Remind me not to stand next to you in a lightning storm.

 

[dullard]

I use almost all LED now, but there's a couple places incandescents are better.

I definitely agree that sometimes incandescent bulbs are better. I have 6 bulbs in my master bathroom that are still incandescent (the last incandescent bulbs in my house). Well, technically, the incandescent/halogen mix that came out when the first lumens/watt restrictions came out. My reason: to this day I still can't find LEDs that dim to zero. I hate how they only dim to about 50% and then go off if you try dimming them further. My eyes hurt turning those lights on in the middle of the night and I don't like waking my wife with the lights (or vise versa).

 

[RearAdmiral]

This is entirely fair IMO.

I swear my neighbor has like 7k in the living room, it looks painful. It is almost always too high of a temp that I usually see. I don't think porch lights should be high temp either, it usually looks awful. I don't think most people don't realize it(color temp) at all, I've had to explain it to quite a few folks. It is a super simple and cheap way to really improve your interior and exterior look/livability though.