US moves to phase out compact fluorescent light bulbs and push market toward LEDs

[IronWing]

I swear my neighbor has like 7k in the living room, it looks painful. It is almost always too high of a temp that I usually see. I don't think porch lights should be high temp either, it usually looks awful. I don't think most people don't realize it(color temp) at all, I've had to explain it to quite a few folks. It is a super simple and cheap way to really improve your interior and exterior look/livability though.

I use a color temperature of 7K white balance correction when photographing fluorescent minerals under high intensity UV light. Living with 7K would suck.

 

[lxskllr]

I like "vintage" style lamps that are very warm. All living areas are kinda orange. Work areas are cooler, but still <3k. Candle light is what I want to replicate. LEDs don't quite do it, but it's close enough.

 

[Viper GTS]

I definitely agree that sometimes incandescent bulbs are better. I have 6 bulbs in my master bathroom that are still incandescent (the last incandescent bulbs in my house). Well, technically, the incandescent/halogen mix that came out when the first lumens/watt restrictions came out. My reason: to this day I still can't find LEDs that dim to zero. I hate how they only dim to about 50% and then go off if you try dimming them further. My eyes hurt turning those lights on in the middle of the night and I don't like waking my wife with the lights (or vise versa).

This is a bulb/dimmer selection issue, there are lots of combos out there that can dim sub 10% and 3-4% territory or even lower is possible if you make your choices correctly.

I just bought bulbs to replace everything in my new house, about half of them are these:

1370 Lumens, 15W, 3000K, LED PAR38 Lamp, 120W Equal, 40 Deg. Flood, Halogen, 120V, Green Creative 34921 | 1000Bulbs.com

Change the way you showcase your interior with high-quality lighting using the Green Creative 34921 LED PAR38 lamp. Save on energy-saving LEDs at 1000Bulbs.com!

www.1000bulbs.com

Depending on the dimmer they can go as low as 0% but with some other dimmers it’s only 20%:

https://a89b8e4143ca50438f09-7c1706ba3fabeeda794725d88e4f5e57.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/spec_sheets/files/000/075/214/original/greencreative-34921-dimmer.pdf?1582040971

While I’m all for pushing to LED that efficiency target is going to be a huge problem for anyone who wants super high CRI/R9 bulbs. Many of them are in the 50-80 lumen/watt range, only the garbage color quality stuff is capable of anywhere near 120.

Viper GTS

 

[dullard]

I just bought bulbs to replace everything in my new house, about half of them are these:

1370 Lumens, 15W, 3000K, LED PAR38 Lamp, 120W Equal, 40 Deg. Flood, Halogen, 120V, Green Creative 34921 | 1000Bulbs.com

Change the way you showcase your interior with high-quality lighting using the Green Creative 34921 LED PAR38 lamp. Save on energy-saving LEDs at 1000Bulbs.com!

www.1000bulbs.com

Depending on the dimmer they can go as low as 0% but with some other dimmers it’s only 20%:

While I’m all for pushing to LED that efficiency target is going to be a huge problem for anyone who wants super high CRI/R9 bulbs. Many of them are in the 50-80 lumen/watt range, only the garbage color quality stuff is capable of anywhere near 120.

I'll look into those bulbs. Thanks. Replacing the dimmer is no problem for me, but when I tried a couple years back, it was a failure to dim below 50%.

As for the high CRI/R9 bulbs, this proposed change will probably not impact them. This change is only for general service bulbs -- not specialty bulbs.

 

[brianmanahan]

outlaw the canadian football league

 

[snoopy7548]

outlaw the canadians football league

Fixed.

 

[Red Squirrel]

6400k aught to be enough for anybody. -Thomas Gates

 

[Muse]

First on CNN: Biden administration moves to phase out compact fluorescent light bulbs and push market toward LEDs | CNN Politics

A new Biden rule would effectively phase out compact fluorescent light bulbs and move the US light bulb markets decisively to more energy-efficient LEDs.

www.cnn.com

The Department of Energy is unveiling a new proposed rule that, if enacted, would effectively phase out compact fluorescent light bulbs and move the US light bulb markets decisively to more energy-efficient LEDs.

The rule would more than double the current minimum light bulb efficiency level, from its current standard of 45 lumens per watt to over 120 lumens per watt for the most common bulbs.


Not going to spend $ on LED's because I still have a ton of CFL's at home.
At the rate i'm placing burned out cfl's in my house (1 or 2 a year), i have enough to last decades.

Dont understand the urgency of eliminating CFL's?
CFL's are still considered energy efficient.

I did the math I guess a couple years ago:

You're paying a lot for the juice to run those CFL's. Using LED bulbs instead will be cheaper in the long run and you won't have to put up with the slow start times and having to recycle CFL's when they burn out. I have a drawer full of CFL's too, but I don't use one when I need to replace a bulb, I reach for an LED replacement. Yes, LED's aren't cheap but the juice you save using one pays for it before it craps out on average compared to a CFL you have sitting around.

In my bedroom, however, I have a CFL and a 250 watt heat lamp hanging from the middle of the ceiling. Each has a hand switch to it and they both go to the same wall switch. I turn on the heat lamp in colder weather to heat up the room a few degrees. Also have a 15 watt incandescent attached to my night stand, just because it's low light and I only put it on for a few seconds to see stuff. If it burns out I might replace it with a low watt LED, like 2 watts, not sure. I suppose I could replace the CFL overhead, probably will when it burns out. But in the kitchen, bath and porch, it's all LEDs and I have low watt LEDs for "night lights" in a few places, they are just so cheap to run and I leave them on 24/7.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Now for the love of god can every person in America be made to sit through a tutorial on color temperatures?

Eating in a place with 5000K LEDs is like dining in an operating theatre.

- Holy crap, one of the worst fights with the wife was when she wanted to replace all of our home lighting with 5000K lights because "2700K makes everything look too dingy".

I thought "let me buy a pack and put them in a room and she'll see that the light is way to intense and blue". Nope, she thought it was perfect.

I'm usually a pretty easy going guy with most home decor stuff but I absolutely dug my heels in on this. I come home to a nice cozy relaxing place, not someplace with department store/office lighting.

We finally settled on 3200-3500K so she got something a little "sunnier" than 2700K but not white-white like 5000K. Spent a solid $200 replacing every bulb in our home with LED R20 bulbs.

 

[lxskllr]

My neighbors in the mansion behind me have a super bright, super white front porch light that I can really see when the leaves are gone. The way it lights up the front of the house make it looked like a governmental monument of some kind. Really sterile and institutional.

 

[dullard]

- Holy crap, one of the worst fights with the wife was when she wanted to replace all of our home lighting with 5000K lights because "2700K makes everything look too dingy".

I'm a huge fan of putting the right light in the right location.

• 2700K is a bit dingy looking but it works quite well in living rooms.
• 5000K is too clinical and sterile for me, but it is an absolute must in a closet or wherever you sort laundry. It is amazing how you can tell which navy blue socks go together or which navy blue pants go with which navy blue jacket when you have ~5000K lighting.
• The kitchen should be in-between, roughly 4000K. Helps it look clean and functional.
• Bathroom depends on your complexion, but I like ~3500K.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Part of the reason I use the 5-6K outside is so the cameras can see better. I have no neighbors to be concerned with.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Most incandescents were in the 2700 range. If you wanted it brigher, you added more bulbs, which used more power. Now you can chose a different temperature, have more, brighter light with less overall units and still use less power.

 

[IronWing]

For me, it depends on whether winter depression is setting in. If it's cold, dark, and clammy, I want a supernova hanging from the ceiling. Otherwise, ~3K seems about right.


^ The good stuff.

 

[K1052]

For me, it depends on whether winter depression is setting in. If it's cold, dark, and clammy, I want a supernova hanging from the ceiling. Otherwise, ~3K seems about right.

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^ The good stuff.

I can smell the burning fly from here.

 

[pmv]

Reminds me I need to get a new LED bulb to replace the stupid CFL one that takes like 2 hours to get bright enough to actually see anything.

 

[JeepinEd]

I scrap CFLs for LED whenever I feel the need. Outside is all LED now and almost all of the indoor units are too. I still have a few CFLs in garage overheads.

I use the bright and ultra white outdoors and in work areas, with 3500-4000 indoor.

I don't really care about banning curly bulbs or incandescents, but I'm gonna get real uppity if they ban gas stoves like I recently read they might.

California is banning all gas appliances - Stoves, Dryers, Furnaces, Fire places, etc. All new homes will soon be electric only.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

^^^ Which they cannot reliably provide. And which is incredibly expensive.

 

[Captante]

I have two sets of lights in my office where I spend 90% of my "awake" time at home parked @ the PC.

1st set is 2x bright/cold 100 watt 5k LED's for use in the morning/during the day when I want to stay awake and the second is made up of 1x 75 watt full size incandescent/warm bulb and 2x smaller 2500k LED bulbs for evening/late night.

The biggest issue I've run into with LED lamps is that some of them flicker annoyingly in several of my lamps.... I've had the best results personally with "Feit" branded bulbs.

FEIT Electric

 

[WilliamM2]

For me, it depends on whether winter depression is setting in. If it's cold, dark, and clammy, I want a supernova hanging from the ceiling. Otherwise, ~3K seems about right.

View attachment 73194
^ The good stuff.

I use one of those lamps in my office. Warmed the room by 5+ degrees in the summer before I got one of these. Much better light too:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B088H89YZF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

 

[IronWing]

I use one of those lamps in my office. Warmed the room by 5+ degrees in the summer before I got one of these. Much better light too:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B088H89YZF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

For winter depression, I prefer the surgery theater look.


Side note: who does their photoshopping?

 

[WelshBloke]

I can smell the burning fly from here.

I need to go hoover mine out!

 

[WelshBloke]

California is banning all gas appliances - Stoves, Dryers, Furnaces, Fire places, etc. All new homes will soon be electric only.

Gas hobs are so much nicer to cook on than electric ones!
They are about to trial hydrogen as a domestic gas replacement in a part of the UK.

 

[IronWing]

Gas hobs are so much nicer to cook on than electric ones!
They are about to trial hydrogen as a domestic gas replacement in a part of the UK.

Good luck with that. Hydrogen atoms are so tiny and bouncy, leak through everything.

 

[WelshBloke]

Good luck with that. Hydrogen atoms are so tiny and bouncy, leak through everything.

I guess that's why it's a trial!

There was a limited trial of a blended hydrogen/methane mix that went well!