US plans death camp

[Nemesis77]

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THE US has floated plans to turn Guantanamo Bay into a death camp, with its own death row and execution chamber.

Prisoners would be tried, convicted and executed without leaving its boundaries, without a jury and without right of appeal, The Mail on Sunday newspaper reported yesterday.

The plans were revealed by Major-General Geoffrey Miller, who is in charge of 680 suspects from 43 countries, including two Australians.

The suspects have been held at Camp Delta on Cuba without charge for 18 months.

General Miller said building a death row was one plan. Another was to have a permanent jail, with possibly an execution chamber.

The Mail on Sunday reported the move is seen as logical by the US, which has been attacked worldwide for breaching the Geneva Convention on prisoners of war since it established the camp at a naval base to hold alleged terrorists from Afghanistan.

But it has horrified human rights groups and lawyers representing detainees.

They see it as the clearest indication America has no intention of falling in line with internationally recognised justice.

The US has already said detainees would be tried by tribunals, without juries or appeals to a higher court. Detainees will be allowed only US lawyers.

British activist Stephen Jakobi, of Fair Trials Abroad, said: "The US is kicking and screaming against any pressure to conform with British or any other kind of international justice."

American law professor Jonathan Turley, who has led US civil rights group protests against the military tribunals planned to hear cases at Guantanamo Bay, said: "It is not surprising the authorities are building a death row because they have said they plan to try capital cases before these tribunals.

"This camp was created to execute people. The administration has no interest in long-term prison sentences for people it regards as hard-core terrorists."

Britain admitted it had been kept in the dark about the plans.

A Downing St spokesman said: "The US Government is well aware of the British Government's position on the death penalty."

Maybe the base at Guantanamo Bay should be renamed to Auschwitz 2.

 

[Corn]

Maybe the base at Guantanamo Bay should be renamed to Auschwitz 2.

[edit] Of course it makes sense that the eurotrash would equate innocent Jews killed by the millions with (soon to be) convicted terrorists......

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77
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THE US has floated plans to turn Guantanamo Bay into a death camp, with its own death row and execution chamber.

Prisoners would be tried, convicted and executed without leaving its boundaries, without a jury and without right of appeal, The Mail on Sunday newspaper reported yesterday.

The plans were revealed by Major-General Geoffrey Miller, who is in charge of 680 suspects from 43 countries, including two Australians.

The suspects have been held at Camp Delta on Cuba without charge for 18 months.

General Miller said building a death row was one plan. Another was to have a permanent jail, with possibly an execution chamber.

The Mail on Sunday reported the move is seen as logical by the US, which has been attacked worldwide for breaching the Geneva Convention on prisoners of war since it established the camp at a naval base to hold alleged terrorists from Afghanistan.

But it has horrified human rights groups and lawyers representing detainees.

They see it as the clearest indication America has no intention of falling in line with internationally recognised justice.

The US has already said detainees would be tried by tribunals, without juries or appeals to a higher court. Detainees will be allowed only US lawyers.

British activist Stephen Jakobi, of Fair Trials Abroad, said: "The US is kicking and screaming against any pressure to conform with British or any other kind of international justice."

American law professor Jonathan Turley, who has led US civil rights group protests against the military tribunals planned to hear cases at Guantanamo Bay, said: "It is not surprising the authorities are building a death row because they have said they plan to try capital cases before these tribunals.

"This camp was created to execute people. The administration has no interest in long-term prison sentences for people it regards as hard-core terrorists."

Britain admitted it had been kept in the dark about the plans.

A Downing St spokesman said: "The US Government is well aware of the British Government's position on the death penalty."

Maybe the base at Guantanamo Bay should be renamed to Auschwitz 2.

That's not even remotely funny.

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: Corn

Maybe the base at Guantanamo Bay should be renamed to Auschwitz 2.

[edit] Of course it makes sense that the eurotrash would equate innocent Jews killed by the millions with (soon to be) convicted terrorists......

"Convicted terrorists"? To my knowledge, the prisoners there have not been put to trial, they have not been allowed to see legal councel. They have just been kept there indefinitely. They haven't been convicted of anything since there has been no trials. How long have they been there? US doesn't seem to be in a hurry to convict them of anything.

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
That's not even remotely funny.

Who said I was trying to be funny?

 

[43st]

I did a search for other sources of that story and came up with nothing. Until we have some other coverage I'm going to be skeptical but it is certainley a scary thought. The US has always had some pretty backward ideas about killing people and calling it "justice".

 

[Rainsford]

Seems like a pretty biased story to me, and since I can't find any other sources, I'm calling BS, or at least twisted facts. And in any case, military tribunals convicting terrorists and sentencing them to death would not make it a "death camp" (in the sense of what the Nazi's had).

 

[Moonbeam]

Except for Corn's implication, I missed the comparison to Nazi Germany.

 

[Czar]

it would be a death camp because the public would not know who or why prisoners are being executed

so far this is only what seems to be a suggestion, time will tell if this will be implemented or not, hope not

 

[tcsenter]

Of course the US plans death camps at Guantanamo. Of course the US beats and tortures prisoners during interrogations. Of course the US indiscriminantly kills men, women, and children.

It's all true. Really it is. Trust me.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Czar
it would be a death camp because the public would not know who or why prisoners are being executed

so far this is only what seems to be a suggestion, time will tell if this will be implemented or not, hope not

Don't they have over 3000 1st degree murder cases that are for the large part unsolved? I have no problem of executing people that conspire to kill innocents. Every single one of them who are part of it should be executed and preferably buried in a mass grave of pig entrails so they can never get to the afterlife.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: Corn

Maybe the base at Guantanamo Bay should be renamed to Auschwitz 2.

[edit] Of course it makes sense that the eurotrash would equate innocent Jews killed by the millions with (soon to be) convicted terrorists......

"Convicted terrorists"? To my knowledge, the prisoners there have not been put to trial, they have not been allowed to see legal councel. They have just been kept there indefinitely. They haven't been convicted of anything since there has been no trials. How long have they been there? US doesn't seem to be in a hurry to convict them of anything.

They've got no fvcking rights, they are paritaly responsible for the murder of 3,000 Innocent people you idiot! To my other knowledge, they DONT have any rights. They are not U.S Citizens. Several people from the camps have also been released.

 

[UltraQuiet]

We could avoid all the criticism of Gitmo if we would just operate in accordance with all the Geneva conventions instead of just the ones we want to.

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Seems like a pretty biased story to me, and since I can't find any other sources, I'm calling BS, or at least twisted facts. And in any case, military tribunals convicting terrorists and sentencing them to death would not make it a "death camp" (in the sense of what the Nazi's had).

Also mentioned here:

Daily Telegraph

Reuters

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Czar
it would be a death camp because the public would not know who or why prisoners are being executed

so far this is only what seems to be a suggestion, time will tell if this will be implemented or not, hope not

Don't they have over 3000 1st degree murder cases that are for the large part unsolved? I have no problem of executing people that conspire to kill innocents. Every single one of them who are part of it should be executed and preferably buried in a mass grave of pig entrails so they can never get to the afterlife.

I think we found Saddam, someone get his IP quick!

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: Tabb
They've got no fvcking rights, they are paritaly responsible for the murder of 3,000 Innocent people you idiot! To my other knowledge, they DONT have any rights. They are not U.S Citizens. Several people from the camps have also been released.

Gentlemen, let me present to you an A-class moron: Tabb!

A) How do you know these people are guilty if you don't charge them with crime? How can you know that they aren't just ordinary Afganis who just happened to be at the wrong place at a wrong time? How do you know that they aren't just regural footsoldiers with no connection to 9/11?

B) Is it OK to imprison people for god knows how long and not charge them with crime and deny them access to legal-councel?

C) Even serial-killers and mass-murderers have rights.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Czar
it would be a death camp because the public would not know who or why prisoners are being executed

so far this is only what seems to be a suggestion, time will tell if this will be implemented or not, hope not

Don't they have over 3000 1st degree murder cases that are for the large part unsolved? I have no problem of executing people that conspire to kill innocents. Every single one of them who are part of it should be executed and preferably buried in a mass grave of pig entrails so they can never get to the afterlife.

I think we found Saddam, someone get his IP quick!

Did not know Michael Moore posted here...you are funny

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Czar
it would be a death camp because the public would not know who or why prisoners are being executed

so far this is only what seems to be a suggestion, time will tell if this will be implemented or not, hope not

Don't they have over 3000 1st degree murder cases that are for the large part unsolved? I have no problem of executing people that conspire to kill innocents. Every single one of them who are part of it should be executed and preferably buried in a mass grave of pig entrails so they can never get to the afterlife.

the problem is that there is no transparency, you dont know why they are being tried, you only know what you are told and nothing more

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Czar
it would be a death camp because the public would not know who or why prisoners are being executed

so far this is only what seems to be a suggestion, time will tell if this will be implemented or not, hope not

Don't they have over 3000 1st degree murder cases that are for the large part unsolved? I have no problem of executing people that conspire to kill innocents. Every single one of them who are part of it should be executed and preferably buried in a mass grave of pig entrails so they can never get to the afterlife.

the problem is that there is no transparency, you dont know why they are being tried, you only know what you are told and nothing more

from PBS..."Well, here, this is a book, hadif, for ninth grade. Hadif is a statement of Prophet Mohammed. This is a book that start for ninth graders. This is talking about the victory of Muslims over Jews. This is a hadif that I truly believe it's not true, as a Muslim:

"The day of judgment will not arrive until Muslims fight Jews, and Muslim will kill Jews until the Jew hides behind a tree or a stone. Then the tree and the stone will say, 'Oh Muslim, oh, servant of God, this is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.' Except one type of a tree, which is a Jew tree. That will not say that." This is taught for 14-year-old boys in Saudi Arabia. "
That is enough for me...same can be said for any Nazi or KKKers round them up and through them in too

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Czar
it would be a death camp because the public would not know who or why prisoners are being executed

so far this is only what seems to be a suggestion, time will tell if this will be implemented or not, hope not

Don't they have over 3000 1st degree murder cases that are for the large part unsolved? I have no problem of executing people that conspire to kill innocents. Every single one of them who are part of it should be executed and preferably buried in a mass grave of pig entrails so they can never get to the afterlife.

the problem is that there is no transparency, you dont know why they are being tried, you only know what you are told and nothing more

from PBS..."Well, here, this is a book, hadif, for ninth grade. Hadif is a statement of Prophet Mohammed. This is a book that start for ninth graders. This is talking about the victory of Muslims over Jews. This is a hadif that I truly believe it's not true, as a Muslim:

"The day of judgment will not arrive until Muslims fight Jews, and Muslim will kill Jews until the Jew hides behind a tree or a stone. Then the tree and the stone will say, 'Oh Muslim, oh, servant of God, this is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.' Except one type of a tree, which is a Jew tree. That will not say that." This is taught for 14-year-old boys in Saudi Arabia. "
That is enough for me...same can be said for any Nazi or KKKers round them up and through them in too

How does this relate to transparency of the process at camp delta?

Cheers,

Andy

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

We could avoid all the criticism of Gitmo if we would just operate in accordance with all the Geneva conventions instead of just the ones we want to.

Reasonable positions are not appreciated in this forum. Please refrain from speaking like an intelligent human being . . . this is your only warning.

Minister Ashcroft
Supreme Commander Rumsfeld

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Czar
it would be a death camp because the public would not know who or why prisoners are being executed

so far this is only what seems to be a suggestion, time will tell if this will be implemented or not, hope not

Don't they have over 3000 1st degree murder cases that are for the large part unsolved? I have no problem of executing people that conspire to kill innocents. Every single one of them who are part of it should be executed and preferably buried in a mass grave of pig entrails so they can never get to the afterlife.

the problem is that there is no transparency, you dont know why they are being tried, you only know what you are told and nothing more

from PBS..."Well, here, this is a book, hadif, for ninth grade. Hadif is a statement of Prophet Mohammed. This is a book that start for ninth graders. This is talking about the victory of Muslims over Jews. This is a hadif that I truly believe it's not true, as a Muslim:

"The day of judgment will not arrive until Muslims fight Jews, and Muslim will kill Jews until the Jew hides behind a tree or a stone. Then the tree and the stone will say, 'Oh Muslim, oh, servant of God, this is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.' Except one type of a tree, which is a Jew tree. That will not say that." This is taught for 14-year-old boys in Saudi Arabia. "
That is enough for me...same can be said for any Nazi or KKKers round them up and through them in too

How does this relate to transparency of the process at camp delta?

Cheers,

Andy

Anyone that plots and schemes to rob innocent civilians of their life have forfeited any rights to live...imho that is.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Corn

Maybe the base at Guantanamo Bay should be renamed to Auschwitz 2.

[edit] Of course it makes sense that the eurotrash would equate innocent Jews killed by the millions with (soon to be) convicted terrorists......

I take issue with that improper name, "convicted" would mean they were actually tried then convicted ... when in reality they were not.

"Terrorist" would mean they commited an act of terror, which most of them did not otherwise they wouldnt be alive (suicide bombers). So what is their crime? Well judging how the government isn't telling us, who knows?

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Czar
it would be a death camp because the public would not know who or why prisoners are being executed

so far this is only what seems to be a suggestion, time will tell if this will be implemented or not, hope not

Don't they have over 3000 1st degree murder cases that are for the large part unsolved? I have no problem of executing people that conspire to kill innocents. Every single one of them who are part of it should be executed and preferably buried in a mass grave of pig entrails so they can never get to the afterlife.

the problem is that there is no transparency, you dont know why they are being tried, you only know what you are told and nothing more

from PBS..."Well, here, this is a book, hadif, for ninth grade. Hadif is a statement of Prophet Mohammed. This is a book that start for ninth graders. This is talking about the victory of Muslims over Jews. This is a hadif that I truly believe it's not true, as a Muslim:

"The day of judgment will not arrive until Muslims fight Jews, and Muslim will kill Jews until the Jew hides behind a tree or a stone. Then the tree and the stone will say, 'Oh Muslim, oh, servant of God, this is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.' Except one type of a tree, which is a Jew tree. That will not say that." This is taught for 14-year-old boys in Saudi Arabia. "
That is enough for me...same can be said for any Nazi or KKKers round them up and through them in too

How does this relate to transparency of the process at camp delta?

Cheers,

Andy

Anyone that plots and schemes to rob innocent civilians of their life have forfeited any rights to live...imho that is.

The point being that we have no idea what these people are responsible for. No public trial. No evidence presented. Nothing.

Andy

 

[jackschmittusa]

Bush chose Gitmo because no civilian court in the U.S. has any jurisdiction there. He will not call them POWs so there is no international jurisdiction under the Geneva Convention. The military is in charge but the Uniform Code of Military Justice does not apply to them either. This is a new class of prisoner that has no rights and is subject only to the whims of the administration. We freedom loving Americans have vilified other governments quite consistantly for the same kind of actions. It's time to remember Pogo: "We have met the enemy, and he is us.".