US plans death camp

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Czar
it would be a death camp because the public would not know who or why prisoners are being executed

so far this is only what seems to be a suggestion, time will tell if this will be implemented or not, hope not

Don't they have over 3000 1st degree murder cases that are for the large part unsolved? I have no problem of executing people that conspire to kill innocents. Every single one of them who are part of it should be executed and preferably buried in a mass grave of pig entrails so they can never get to the afterlife.

the problem is that there is no transparency, you dont know why they are being tried, you only know what you are told and nothing more

from PBS..."Well, here, this is a book, hadif, for ninth grade. Hadif is a statement of Prophet Mohammed. This is a book that start for ninth graders. This is talking about the victory of Muslims over Jews. This is a hadif that I truly believe it's not true, as a Muslim:

"The day of judgment will not arrive until Muslims fight Jews, and Muslim will kill Jews until the Jew hides behind a tree or a stone. Then the tree and the stone will say, 'Oh Muslim, oh, servant of God, this is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.' Except one type of a tree, which is a Jew tree. That will not say that." This is taught for 14-year-old boys in Saudi Arabia. "
That is enough for me...same can be said for any Nazi or KKKers round them up and through them in too

How does this relate to transparency of the process at camp delta?

Cheers,

Andy

Anyone that plots and schemes to rob innocent civilians of their life have forfeited any rights to live...imho that is.

The point being that we have no idea what these people are responsible for. No public trial. No evidence presented. Nothing.

Andy

a military tribunal will be more than adequate...why have them clog up a public court system when they are already so fubared...or we can try them jihad style(Tell them they are guilty because of their skin color and nationality, take them outside and waste a single bullet on them)...better yet do it Daniel Pearl style...saw off their heads, capture it on film...then make an anti-muslim propaganda video on it..

Sorry, but I have 0 sympathy for these prisoners. They have released all the ones that they thought were innocent. Everybody else is either a murderer a future-murderer or someone that wants to help a murderer.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
We could avoid all the criticism of Gitmo if we would just operate in accordance with all the Geneva conventions instead of just the ones we want to.

Exactly, so then the next question you must ask is why not?

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: Corn

Maybe the base at Guantanamo Bay should be renamed to Auschwitz 2.

[edit] Of course it makes sense that the eurotrash would equate innocent Jews killed by the millions with (soon to be) convicted terrorists......

"Convicted terrorists"? To my knowledge, the prisoners there have not been put to trial, they have not been allowed to see legal councel. They have just been kept there indefinitely. They haven't been convicted of anything since there has been no trials. How long have they been there? US doesn't seem to be in a hurry to convict them of anything.

They've got no fvcking rights, they are paritaly responsible for the murder of 3,000 Innocent people you idiot! To my other knowledge, they DONT have any rights. They are not U.S Citizens. Several people from the camps have also been released.

I love how completely sure you are of that fact. Just like all people who are tried for murder are guilty. And speaking of rights, try the Geneva convention, "idiot." I suggest you keep your mouth shut, especially when it comes to hurling insults, when you don't know your ass from your elbow in terms of the topic at hand.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
We could avoid all the criticism of Gitmo if we would just operate in accordance with all the Geneva conventions instead of just the ones we want to.

Wow. I actually agree with Ultra Quiet. And now I'm looking out my window for:

a) signs of the apocalypse
b) hell freezing over
c) pigs flying

I'll get back to you with the results.

 

[konichiwa]

Sorry, but I have 0 sympathy for these prisoners. They have released all the ones that they thought were innocent. Everybody else is either a murderer a future-murderer or someone that wants to help a murderer.

I've never heard anything more Orwellian. That's just too much blind faith in the government.

 

[Corn]

soon to be

Any prisoners that wind up being executed would be "convicted" at some point for their crimes. Of course the people who ignored my quote above would just assume to believe that we would indiscriminately execute Gitmo prisoners at random.

 

[Ferocious]

heh...I bet Ashcroft has a smile on his face.

Then again he might be envious....since Americans still do have rights.....for now.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Corn

soon to be

Any prisoners that wind up being executed would be "convicted" at some point for their crimes. Of course the people who ignored my quote above would just assume to believe that we would indiscriminately execute Gitmo prisoners at random.

Well a conviction by a closed, opaque, legally-questionable military tribunal is just that: questionable. The gray area of legality into which the Bush administration has placed the "prisoners" or "POWs" only leads the public to conclusions that their legal rights and process are, at best, nebulous, and at worst, corrupt.

 

[Corn]

Military tribunals have been dolling out punishments for centuries to our military personnel, yet I've never seen you once complain about that fact Koni.

I realize that you Bush hating conspiracy nuts think that he's just gonna murder innocent darkies because its fun, but get a grip.............

[edit] The fact that several prisoners have been released from Gitmo is evidence enough of the administration doing its due diligence to determine the status of these prisoners. The taleban are being weeded from al-qaeda. IMHO the Taleban POW's are exactly that......al-qaeda prisoners on the other hand are not POW's and I believe the Geneva conventions do not apply to them.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: Corn

Maybe the base at Guantanamo Bay should be renamed to Auschwitz 2.

[edit] Of course it makes sense that the eurotrash would equate innocent Jews killed by the millions with (soon to be) convicted terrorists......

"Convicted terrorists"? To my knowledge, the prisoners there have not been put to trial, they have not been allowed to see legal councel. They have just been kept there indefinitely. They haven't been convicted of anything since there has been no trials. How long have they been there? US doesn't seem to be in a hurry to convict them of anything.

They've got no fvcking rights, they are paritaly responsible for the murder of 3,000 Innocent people you idiot! To my other knowledge, they DONT have any rights. They are not U.S Citizens. Several people from the camps have also been released.

I love how completely sure you are of that fact. Just like all people who are tried for murder are guilty. And speaking of rights, try the Geneva convention, "idiot." I suggest you keep your mouth shut, especially when it comes to hurling insults, when you don't know your ass from your elbow in terms of the topic at hand.

He not even American if he does'nt believe in fundemental rights like due process and innocent until proven guilty by peers and judical review. A totalitarian state like SA is much better suited for neanderthals like him/her.

What kind of parents are raising these monsters?

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Corn
Military tribunals have been dolling out punishments for centuries to our military personnel, yet I've never seen you once complain about that fact Koni.

I realize that you Bush hating conspiracy nuts think that he's just gonna murder innocent darkies because its fun, but get a grip.............

If you'd like to have a decent conversation, that's fine with me. I won't, however, continue to attempt to respond intelligently to posts that contain nothing but insolence and verbal assaults. I think you need to get a grip, or at least get a life.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Sorry, but I have 0 sympathy for these prisoners. They have released all the ones that they thought were innocent. Everybody else is either a murderer a future-murderer or someone that wants to help a murderer.

I've never heard anything more Orwellian. That's just too much blind faith in the government.

As long as we can speak out against the government without being executed like is being done in some countries *cough* Iraq, Cuba, China, North Korea <insert POS country here>and exercise more freedom than any other nation on this green earth...then call me Orwellian

 

[Corn]

I think you need to get a grip, or at least get a life.

I think that for someone who continually complains about the insults of others you seem perfectly fine with doing it yourself. Physician, heal thyself.

I won't, however, continue to attempt to respond intelligently to posts that contain nothing but insolence and verbal assaults.

Your loss, I could give a rip.......

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Sorry, but I have 0 sympathy for these prisoners. They have released all the ones that they thought were innocent. Everybody else is either a murderer a future-murderer or someone that wants to help a murderer.

I've never heard anything more Orwellian. That's just too much blind faith in the government.

As long as we can speak out against the government without being executed like is being done in some countries *cough* Iraq, Cuba, China, North Korea <insert POS country here>and exercise more freedom than any other nation on this green earth...then call me Orwellian

Well as long as you get your rights, who gives a damn about anyone else, right?

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Corn

I think you need to get a grip, or at least get a life.

I think that for someone who continually complains about the insults of others you seem perfectly fine with doing it yourself. Physician, heal thyself.

Get over yourself. Your continuous refusal to engage in intelligent conversation and insistence upon using derogatory remarks isn't exactly condusive to constructive debate. All your posts are laden with sarcasm and insult. Find another place to spew your waste.

 

[Corn]

All your posts are laden with sarcasm and insult.

Sounds good to me........

Find another place to spew your waste.

Awwww, isn't that cute! How about I don't and you grow a pair?

 

[amcdonald]

This entire thread reeks of naivet&eacute;.
These people are being contained because they hold DIRECT ties to the fundamentalist groups that seek to disrupt the "life, liberty, & pursuit of happiness" that Americans are notorius for taking for granted. I would wager that there are people detained that are not guilty of any crime against the US. If these people lose a year or two of their life (or in an extreme case lose their life) because of who they hang around with, or because someone falsely implicated them, that is an acceptable loss.
Our government can not always play nice like everyone believes western governments must behave. There are hidden 'illegal' agendas that exist to ensure our freedoms. While this is obviously hypocritical, it is more than necessary. But it is all for the ultimate goal of national security, which is far more important than the proposed innate rights of those who aren't US citizens. Check up on your foreign governments and you'll find that this US "injustice" is in line with standard practices. There are ideals and there are realities. Governments like ours that have existed for any substantial length of time know that rules must be broken. What about our spyplanes, satellites, and intelligence agencies that consistently break international laws to anticipate security breaches?
Would you rather we just sit back and allow would-be terrorists to openly attack the US?

 

[Mark]

lol @ all the blind bush sheep in this thread. "he's guilty!" "the fact that's he's there alone makes him guilty!" "i have full trust in the govt that he's killed americans before!"

 

[UltraQuiet]

WRT military tribunals I would wonder why you would entrust the lives of your fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and friends to the same people that would be sitting in judgement at these tribunals. In poll after poll after poll the military is consistently the most trusted organization in this country and yet you do not trust the .mil officers to do the right thing when it comes to these tribunals. Or is it the process itself that you do not trust? I find it hard to seperate the two.

konichiwa - you have much in common with a busted watch.

If we just allowed an independent tribunal to determine the status of these prisoners, as is called for in the Geneva convention, we would alleviate many of the problems, both perceived and actual. Then we could prosecute the rest as we see fit.

 

[Corn]

Would you rather we just sit back and allow would-be terrorists to openly attack the US?

Of course they would, because, you know, we deserve it........

 

[Zebo]

These people are being contained because they hold DIRECT ties to the fundamentalist groups

How do you know?

. I would wager that there are people detained that are not guilty of any crime against the US. If these people lose a year or two of their life (or in an extreme case lose their life) because of who they hang around with, or because someone falsely implicated them, that is an acceptable loss.

Then you contridict yourself. And Osama says the same thing about all Americans being guilty to one extent or another because as you say:

Our government can not always play nice like everyone believes western governments must behave. There are hidden 'illegal' agendas that exist to ensure our freedoms. While this is obviously hypocritical, it is more than necessary.

and

Governments like ours that have existed for any substantial length of time know that rules must be broken. What about our spyplanes, satellites, and intelligence agencies that consistently break international laws to anticipate security breaches?

Great. We are all the same.

Would you rather we just sit back and allow would-be terrorists to openly attack the US?

No I'd rather have a government that is responsible to the people and some heads hang for failures of 9-11 which is still sealed. I'd rather we train some mean mutherfuskers in the CIA and special ops to take these cells out before they become so large and unmanagable and gain widespead muslim support both financially and with recruits. I rather we our efforts to catching/killing those responsible (Osama and Saddam and saddat) instead of killing innocents and left holding an empty wallet. IMO this war on terror is to politcized and the results are spurious.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Corn

All your posts are laden with sarcasm and insult.

Sounds good to me........

Find another place to spew your waste.

Awwww, isn't that cute! How about I don't and you grow a pair?

Lovely. Please just refrain from posting anymore, I can safely speak for many people on this board when I say that I'm tired of reading your posts, which mostly consist of the dregs of human thought. Off topic suits you better I think.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Ultra Quiet
Military tribunals have a long history of carring out hidden agendas. As an easily referenced example, look at how we decided to let off the Japanese who did horrible experiments on prisoners to a far greater extent than Joseph Mengle ever did. We wanted their research materials and we wanted them for our exclusive use. So, the entire tribunal process for war criminals was manipulated to acheive this hidden agenda.

 

[Corn]

Lovely.

Yes I am, and thank you for noticing....

Please just refrain from posting anymore, I can safely speak for many people on this board when I say that I'm tired of reading your posts, which mostly consist of the dregs of human thought.

You "freedom loving" progressive types are a crack up, really! Where's the love? Seek out Moonbeam's guidance.......

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
WRT military tribunals I would wonder why you would entrust the lives of your fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and friends to the same people that would be sitting in judgement at these tribunals. In poll after poll after poll the military is consistently the most trusted organization in this country and yet you do not trust the .mil officers to do the right thing when it comes to these tribunals. Or is it the process itself that you do not trust? I find it hard to seperate the two.

konichiwa - you have much in common with a busted watch.

If we just allowed an independent tribunal to determine the status of these prisoners, as is called for in the Geneva convention, we would alleviate many of the problems, both perceived and actual. Then we could prosecute the rest as we see fit.

I agree. I don't have an intrinsic distrust of the military; I have a problem with closed and purposefully ambiguous/dubious/vague/opaque tribunals in which we, the populus of the US, are expected to have no knowledge of the process (neither in theory nor in practice) and are expected to follow the government blindly and accept their word as gospel.

Sorry, but if that makes me a "bush hating conspiracy theorist," or a "liberal whacko," then so be it. I'm content with being labeled that if it means I'm the one sticking up for the rights of the ever-present 'other guy':

Anglo-Saxon civilization has taught the individual to protect his own rights; American civilization will teach him to respect the rights of others.

And to those who call it "un-American" and "unpatriotic," I point to that quote above; I'd say it is of utmost Americanism and Patriotism to question the government; it is, after all, the ideal upon which the US is founded. Of course that's all very idealistic and ideological, but it sounds nice.