US plans death camp

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Corn

Lovely.

Yes I am, and thank you for noticing....

Please just refrain from posting anymore, I can safely speak for many people on this board when I say that I'm tired of reading your posts, which mostly consist of the dregs of human thought.

You "freedom loving" progressive types are a crack up, really! Where's the love?

Corn, never failing to lower the standards of forensics with his inability to address the point. Can you just leave this thread to those who wish to earnestly discuss it?

 

[amcdonald]

Then you contridict yourself. And Osama says the same thing about all Americans being guilty to one extent or another because as you say:

I didn't "contridict" myself, I completed my thought. Not every point can to be made in one sentance.
Also, The key difference in Osama & the US government is that while we seek out those who are a physical threat, Osama and terrorists like him are content with killing anyone.

No I'd rather have a government that is responsible to the people and some heads hang for failures of 9-11 which is still sealed. I'd rather we train some mean mutherfuskers in the CIA and special ops to take these cells out before they become so large and unmanagable and gain widespead muslim support both financially and with recruits. I rather we our efforts to catching/killing those responsible (Osama and Saddam and saddat) instead of killing innocents and left holding an empty wallet. IMO this war on terror is to politcized and the results are spurious.

Seeing heads hang for 9-11 would do no good. If you want to blame someone, thats fine. You can blame whoever you want. A simple fact is that given enough time, some terrorist plots will be successful. We simply can not expect the government to shield us without fail...
The war on terror is only as political as it has to be. The reason there aren't more special ops just gunning down terrorists is because the US must deal with other governments wherein the terrorists are contained. If it were easy to capture/kill osama & others, it would have been done without hesitation. Well. There was an exception...
Bill clinton was offered Osama and he turned him down.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Ultra Quiet
Military tribunals have a long history of carring out hidden agendas. As an easily referenced example, look at how we decided to let off the Japanese who did horrible experiments on prisoners to a far greater extent than Joseph Mengle ever did. We wanted their research materials and we wanted them for our exclusive use. So, the entire tribunal process for war criminals was manipulated to acheive this hidden agenda.

You'll have to explain the relevance of that to this particular situation. Maybe a link to what you are talking about would be a good start becuase except for one particular case everything I've read about the WWII tribunals indicates that they were regarded as being fair.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Ultra Quiet
Military tribunals have a long history of carring out hidden agendas. As an easily referenced example, look at how we decided to let off the Japanese who did horrible experiments on prisoners to a far greater extent than Joseph Mengle ever did. We wanted their research materials and we wanted them for our exclusive use. So, the entire tribunal process for war criminals was manipulated to acheive this hidden agenda.

May (or may not) be true (I honestly don't know), but unfortunately, most courts are notorious for using cases to forward their agendas, especially when it comes to seizures and testimony towards other prosecutions. Often your conviction/sentencing (or lack thereof) is less dependent on your guilt and more dependent on how much information you can give the government. This is especially true in drug cases, but it seems that the same mentality would work for terrorism cases as well.

 

[Zebo]

Seeing heads hang for 9-11 would do no good. If you want to blame someone, thats fine.

That is just stupid. If failures were commited it's only logical and prudent to remove those people who failed us. For two reasons 1) they must be punshied not rewarded by keeping thier jobs 2) more likely than not they are doomed to repeat thier mistakes

I relise it could get ugly politically is the primary modivation for sealing these, as I said this war on terror is too politiczed, but Politics arnt life or death.

The reason there aren't more special ops just gunning down terrorists is because the US must deal with other governments wherein the terrorists are contained.

No the reason is it takes work, hard nasty work with some losses along the way and much time to build up the infrastucture for covert ops and undercover agents. And does'nt make the news which does'nt get votes and 70% approval ratings like the fear campaign has done. Once again politcized.

 

[Corn]

Corn, never failing to lower the standards of forensics with his inability to address the point.

What point Koni? That referring to you as a "Bush hating conspiracy nut" ruined your day, thus requiring you to whine about this supposed insult, elevating the insulting language yourself, followed up by the standard freedom loving progressive reply of "just shut up already!"?

One thing is certain, your incessant whining is tiresome. I'm a sarcastic asshole, if you can't handle that fact either grow a pair (as already suggested) and deal with it, or simply skip over my posts and ignore me. Either way, it'll save the group from being subjected to your nanny fascist tendencies every time you feel slighted or scorned.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Corn

Corn, never failing to lower the standards of forensics with his inability to address the point.

What point Koni? That referring to you as a "Bush hating conspiracy nut" ruined your day, thus requiring you to whine about this supposed insult, elevating the insulting language yourself, followed up by the standard freedom loving progressive reply of "just shut up already!"?

No, the point of the thread. But you knew that. Purposefully selective understanding: the finest conversational strategy of a five-year-old who's losing the "my dad can beat up your dad" argument. You employ it wonderfully.

One thing is certain, your incessant whining is tiresome. I'm a sarcastic asshole, if you can't handle that fact either grow a pair (as already suggested) and deal with it, or simply skip over my posts and ignore me. Either way, it'll save the group from being subjected to your nanny fascist tendencies every time you feel slighted or scorned.

Nanny fascist. Interesting.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeah sure Corn, but you went way over the line when you tried to insult him by mentioning me. It's always nice to have a ready excuse for being an asshole, though. The other guy made me do it. I still want to know who brought up Nazi Germany here. All I saw was you reaching out into the ether and sticking that up your own rear. It sorta looked like you might have had a persecution complex going for yourself there. Well, gotta run, the buzzer done rung in the Bio Lab. My pair should be all grown.

 

[Corn]

No, the point of the thread. But you knew that. Purposefully selective understanding: the finest conversational strategy of a five-year-old who's losing the "my dad can beat up your dad" argument. You employ it wonderfully.

Since you can't be the bigger man and continually resort to meaningless insults while ignoring the point of the thread, I suppose it's up to me. From this point on, I will ignore your hypocritical whining about insulting posts........

BTW, thread topic has been addressed (and further expanded/clarified in various edits) by moi--too bad my vile insults

burned your corneas, thus rendering you incapable of reading the good parts.

 

[Moonbeam]

This isnt nice. Ah but the temptation, who could resist?

 

[Corn]

I still want to know who brought up Nazi Germany here.

I guess you missed the very last sentence in the very first post...

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Corn

Since you can't be the bigger man and continually resort to meaningless insults while ignoring the point of the thread, I suppose it's up to me. From this point on, I will ignore your hypocritical whining about insulting posts........

BTW, thread topic has been addressed (and further expanded/clarified in various edits) by moi--too bad my vile insults

burned your corneas, thus rendering you incapable of reading the good parts. [/quote]

The bigger man. Har har. I've seen nothing but insults (towards me, and others -- "eurotrash") and sarcasm. If that's what you call addressing/expanding/clarifying a topic, I guess you deserve a medal.

 

[Corn]

.....I guess you deserve a medal.

It is with gladness that I accept this honor bestowed upon me...........

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeah, I did, and I to think I carefully read his post and the entire link to rule that out. You can always accuse me of being blind, at least to words, because I am. I perceived that as a sig, if I saw it at all.

 

[Corn]

You can always accuse me of being blind.......

Just blame it on my bright and sunny disposition!

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
This isnt nice. Ah but the temptation, who could resist?

I think it is a bit much to knowingly send a person to certain torture in a country that allows it... change our laws and save on the transport expense. No difference and cheaper. No?

 

[jackschmittusa]

ultra quiet

Here is a little background.
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fixed the links!

 

[Zrom999]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
This isnt nice. Ah but the temptation, who could resist?

I think it is a bit much to knowingly send a person to certain torture in a country that allows it... change our laws and save on the transport expense. No difference and cheaper. No?

You forget the US gov't likes sitting on it high horse of morality and ethics. Why get your own hands dirty?

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
ultra quiet

Here is a little background.
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Thanks for the links. You need to fix the 2nd and 3rd one.

I still don't think the situation you are talking about has anything to do with the tribunals that might be held at Gitmo or is a valid reason not to conduct them.

 

[jackschmittusa]

It is just an example of how military tribunals can be influenced by by political agendas. Especially with the current administration's obsession with government secracy, I would want to see everything pertaining to military tribunals see the light of day and not just trust the government and military blindly.

 

[Moonbeam]

I know we want to be open and transparent because we are fair.

HJ, don't forget we have to bring all those foreign torturers over here first to train them in the School of the Americas before we sent them home with the proper techniques. The inefficiency is appalling.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well, this thread has been a shining example. Of what is not polite to say.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm reminded of Corn's earlier post about hypocrisy. It was interesting:
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The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
An act or instance of such falseness.
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I have gotten quite used to this of late. I had to, my laundry bill for soiled undies was getting out of hand. 9/11 changed everything. I peed and pooped in my pants and have been doing so ever sense. I'm scared to death. I hate America and our liberties. If we weren't so damn free terrorists wouldn't be able to use our freedom against us. It's time for some good old fashioned hypocrisy. We can still pretend that we care about our liberties and constitutional rights, but we can't afford to act according to them. The cleaning bill is just too great. Every time I go somewhere in a fresh pair there's a new amber alert. Kill them I want them dead. torture their asses till they bleed. I don't give a sh!t about anything. I gotta bet across town without another dirty pair. Damn it. Call me a hypocrite, I don't care. It's my life that's getting screwed over. It's all well and good to have ideals if they don't cost anything. But us cowards will pay any price, live in any prison, so long as we're safe from fear.

Come on guys, help me out. You're afraid too, you know. Look at how we hate. Just kill them and be done with it. I can't take the fear. So what if I'm a small minded coward, who cares, who can afford to be idealistic when you're down to your last pair.

 

[Corn]

Well, this thread has been a shining example.

My opinion of this thread.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Zrom999

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
This isnt nice. Ah but the temptation, who could resist?

I think it is a bit much to knowingly send a person to certain torture in a country that allows it... change our laws and save on the transport expense. No difference and cheaper. No?

You forget the US gov't likes sitting on it high horse of morality and ethics. Why get your own hands dirty?

because I don't like being the middle man and we have many out of work experts in the field here. Why give away more american jobs to overseas concerns... think American. It's the economy all else is ..... communistic.