US plot derails Russian Mars program

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In announcing this news on Tuesday, however, Popovkin couldn't resist deflecting the blame for the mission's failure, suggesting — with an exquisite lack of subtlety — that the mission may have been sabotaged by another country (America, we're looking at you), using an antisatellite weapon. "We don't want to accuse anybody," Popovkin said, accusing somebody, "but there are very powerful devices that can influence spacecraft now." In case you were wondering, that's Russian for "I'm just sayin'."

OK, so what exactly is Popovkin's claim? It's true that when Russian spacecraft fail very early in their missions — just as they're getting their footing in orbit — the problem often occurs when the craft is flying over the Western hemisphere, where any imagined skeet-shooting from the U.S. would take place. "The frequent failure of our space launches," he told the newspaper Izvestia, "which occur at a time when they are flying over the part of the Earth not visible from Russia, where we do not see the spacecraft and do not receive telemetric information, are not clear to us."

Nice.

Didn't realize the Russian record for Mars probes was 0 successful out of 19 though.
 

Locut0s

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Lol yeah I heard about this accusation the other day. Funny he doesn't realize how desperate this sounds.
 

Locut0s

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This is obviously a US plot and has nothing to do with not having paid their engineers in 3 months (just made that up, but wouldn't be surprised if true).
 

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I can't believe we're working with those assholes on the ISS. I also can't believe that we're dependent on them to launch our astronauts. I weep for America.
 

JTsyo

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Hey we can't have Russian probes landing on Mars and find what our rovers have been building. I would tell you guys but then I would have to use a anti satellite weapon on you.
 

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I can't believe we're working with those assholes on the ISS. I also can't believe that we're dependent on them to launch our astronauts. I weep for America.

True but overall how stupid and pathetic is the fact that we can't come together as a people and explore the universe. Instead everyone is just trying to make nuclear missiles and use space for tactical advances.
 

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I can't believe we're working with those assholes on the ISS. I also can't believe that we're dependent on them to launch our astronauts. I weep for America.

We supply most of the power to the Russian segment of the ISS. So they are dependent on us too. If that makes you feel any better.
 

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Nice.

Didn't realize the Russian record for Mars probes was 0 successful out of 19 though.

I think Russia instituted severe punishments for space failures a few months back.

EDIT: here it is: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011...atens-to-punish-officials-for-space-failures/

MOSCOW – The Russian president threatened to punish those responsible for the country's recent space failures, which included the botched launch of a Mars probe earlier this month.
Dmitry Medvedev warned that the space officials responsible could face heavy fines or even criminal penalties, the Ria Novosti news agency reported.
"The latest failures [in the space industry] seriously harm Russia's competitiveness," he said. "This means that we need to conduct a serious analysis and punish those responsible."
Russian space agency Roscosmos faced several mishaps over the past 11 months.
Last December, a rocket failed to put three Glonass-M satellites into orbit, costing the state 4.3 billion rubles ($138.1 million).
Several space officials were fired after another mishap in February, in which a booster rocket carrying a military satellite failed to launch.
There were a further two space mishaps in August -- a rocket lost a prized satellite designed to provide digital TV and secure government communications, and a week later, a malfunction prevented a cargo spacecraft from reaching orbit. Its debris fell in south Siberia.
Earlier in November, Roscosmos admitted that it had given up hope of regaining contact with the Mars probe Phobos-Grunt, which was placed in the wrong orbit after a botched launch, and feared that it might crash back down to Earth in January. The European Space Agency later announced it had established some contact with the probe.
 

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Nice.

Didn't realize the Russian record for Mars probes was 0 successful out of 19 though.

Russia's Mars 3 had a successful soft landing on Mars and sent back a photo of the surface (beating Viking 1 by 5 years, though the amazing Viking lasted for 6 years on the surface while Mars 3 died in 20 seconds).

Everything from Mars 2 through 6 had some degree of success, though something went wrong in each case as well. Still, they gave us a lot of the first measurements of things like Mars' gravity, magnetic field, atmosphere, and detailed topography, so while there were problems, they aren't commensurate with the "0 for 19" impression of total failure. This is mentioned in the article and I thought it was worth repeating it here.
 

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Its very easy for the media is blow this out of proportion. Popovkin did not accuse US or anyone of any wrongdoing, all he just said that its possible. And he is right, it is possible to jam a satellite, but it makes little sense for anyone to do it on a space exploration mission. Previously, there were a bunch of different reasons brought up and examined of why Fobos-Grunt has failed, and "foreign interference" seems to be one of those last possible but unlikely scenarios.

My conspiracy theory is that Roscosmos could not fully complete Fobos-Grunt by the launch window so someone decided to launch it anyway and screw the insurance company. On the other hand, in recent years Russia had so many space launches (more than US and EU combined), that it put a major stress on its space workforce and just increased the chances to fail. They have a space launch like every couple of weeks, sometimes even more often.
 

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Its very easy for the media is blow this out of proportion. Popovkin did not accuse US or anyone of any wrongdoing, all he just said that its possible. And he is right, it is possible to jam a satellite, but it makes little sense for anyone to do it on a space exploration mission. Previously, there were a bunch of different reasons brought up and examined of why Fobos-Grunt has failed, and "foreign interference" seems to be one of those last possible but unlikely scenarios.

My conspiracy theory is that Roscosmos could not fully complete Fobos-Grunt by the launch window so someone decided to launch it anyway and screw the insurance company. On the other hand, in recent years Russia had so many space launches (more than US and EU combined), that it put a major stress on its space workforce and just increased the chances to fail. They have a space launch like every couple of weeks, sometimes even more often.

It is blow out of proportion however the accusation that any country did this is so wacky it makes the guy sound kind of unstable. It's not even an earth orbiting probe.
 

Fritzo

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Russia's success in space seems to be an all or nothing affair. They have a horrible track record with mars and various other well publicized launch failures. Yet the Soyuz series of rockets and spacecraft has proven to be amazingly successful.

The engineering from Soyuz dates back to the 60's during the height of the cold war. They got that from dumping a significant amount of resources into a space vehicle when trying to beat the US to the moon. They lost that battle, but didn't cut off their program list the US did in the 70's, so it's been improved upon for the last several decades.
 
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