US Police Killed More than Twice as Many People as Reported by Government

[Bock]

Just a day checking out the nieghborhoods

 

[Zorkorist]

About the militarization of police...
Around here, the general requirements for new cops are 4 yrs college or 4 yrs military.
Most of the cops involved in recent shootings covered by the media are vets from Iraq/Afghanistan.
Talking to high school friends & watching gopro vids etc from when they were there, I'm shocked more people haven't been shot.

Because, murder?

Oh, wait, Terrorism!

-John

 

[Ackmed]

About the militarization of police...
Around here, the general requirements for new cops are 4 yrs college or 4 yrs military.
Most of the cops involved in recent shootings covered by the media are vets from Iraq/Afghanistan.
Talking to high school friends & watching gopro vids etc from when they were there, I'm shocked more people haven't been shot.

Please provide proof that being an officer requires that that they have 4 years of military. And that most shooting involve veterans. Otherwise, stop making incorrect statements to make something look like it's not. You can't provide these stats, so stop making stupid comments.

Also, when animals burn down building and riot there needs to be a strong force. Oh yeah, all the acts were done because supposedly a super nice young black man was killed for no reason when he had his hands up. Oh wait, the witnesses lied. The baby momma's boyfriend called for them to "burn this bitch down". And that is what they did. No better way to show support for your cause and try to dismiss arguments that you aren't animal by acting exactly like them.

Just a day checking out the nieghborhoods

That is not a sniper. If you think so, you're ignorant of the facts and falling for media bullshit.

 

[Zorkorist]

I think he is making the point that a force like this comes down his block, every other Tuesday, and Fridays.

It shouldn't.

It's a militarized unit of the Police Force, probably conducting a hit and kill on a member of the "other" political party.

-John

 

[Ackmed]

I doubt they come down like that twice a week. His locations says TX, the img is from Boston. But please provide proof if so. Otherwise it is just people drumming up bullshit to support their agenda.

 

[Genx87]

Please provide proof that being an officer requires that that they have 4 years of military. And that most shooting involve veterans. Otherwise, stop making incorrect statements to make something look like it's not. You can't provide these stats, so stop making stupid comments.

Also, when animals burn down building and riot there needs to be a strong force. Oh yeah, all the acts were done because supposedly a super nice young black man was killed for no reason when he had his hands up. Oh wait, the witnesses lied. The baby momma's boyfriend called for them to "burn this bitch down". And that is what they did. No better way to show support for your cause and try to dismiss arguments that you aren't animal by acting exactly like them.



That is not a sniper. If you think so, you're ignorant of the facts and falling for media bullshit.

The acts of Vandalism were because of the way the police had acted for years. This is backed up by the DoJ.

 

[Nograts]

There are some simple steps to not get killed by cops:

1. Don't break the law
2. If you're being arrested don't resist
3. Don't throw things at cops
4. Don't run from cops
5. Don't do anything without asking first

99% of people killed by cops were doing one of those things.

Yup. I have no issue with 99% of police shootings. People retarded enough to do this kind of shit don't need to exist on my planet.

 

[Zorkorist]

lol,

you must be very sheltered.

-John

 

[Ackmed]

The acts of Vandalism were because of the way the police had acted for years. This is backed up by the DoJ.

You're a fool if you believe this. In this instance, there was NO racial discrimination. A witness LIED and said Brown's hands were up. Created huge tension that didn't need to be there. Hands up dont shoot swept the nation and it was created by a false statement by a known liar. That's the truth, you can either accept it or not. They acted like animals and there is no excuse for it.

Yup. I have no issue with 99% of police shootings. People retarded enough to do this kind of shit don't need to exist on my planet.

I agree. It is very simple.

 

[unixwizzard]

We have all heard of Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS), some in this forum suffer from it.

Now folks, I give you Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS):

Obama and Holder killed hundreds of Mexicans. Obama let Ebola and who knows how many other diseases into country. Obama is helping Iran get a bomb. Obama destabilized Mubarak on purpose - and (diabolically) put Muslim Brotherhood in charge. Obama has been found in contempt of court (over Gulf drilling). Obama has had SCOTUS unanimously call his actions unconstitutional a dozen times. Obama intentionally caused thousands of people to flood over the border with Mexican cartels steering them up through Mexico and over border. Obama forced take over of internet after court twice said FCC had no authority to do so. Obama helped Saudis and Turkey supply ISIS and then after getting US people killed blamed a video maker at UN while Libyan president scoffed. I could go on but suffice to say Obama is dirtbag - real radical filth who uses racial issues to create division. He would like to see police broken and anarchy rise. These things are clear to anyone not lost between the ears

(to be fair, he did leave out Obama's early Muslim education at that Indonesian Madrassa where he used to eat dogs - and his college days when he traded gay sex for cocaine..)

/smh

 

[Bock]

I used that ferguson/iraq pic not to point out anything about that shooting in particular but the image itself.

Troopers use a graduated military/college requirement.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/trainingacademy/Recruiting/requirements/education.htm

Where I live - turns out its actually 3 years. Doesn't really matter because you cant enlist for less.
http://www.plano.gov/DocumentCenter/View/120

 

[dainthomas]

That's only common sense if you live in a police state.

If you want to show the Man you don't accept his police state by grabbing for a cop's gun, go for it. We'll be seeing you on the news.

 

[unokitty]

You're a fool if you believe this. In this instance, there was NO racial discrimination.... I agree. It is very simple.

Whether or not there was discrimination in Ferguson, isn't the issue here... Besides, anyone that looks at the statistics in aggregate, can see for themselves.

When I was at the MP Academy, it was stressed that police don't have the authority to decide guilt or innocence. That that is the job of the judicial system. By design, police lack the authority to execute people for what they perceive to be criminal activities.

Consequently, when I see US police committing nearly 1,000 extra judicial killings annually, it causes me to wonder.

That's 1,000 people that didn't get their day in court and 1,000 people that were executed without being tried by any court. The fact is:

In the U.S., you're far more likely to be gunned down by a police officer than other countries:

Even after adjusting for the smaller size of Britain's population, British citizens are around 100 times less likely to be shot by a police officer than Americans. Between 2010 and 2014, the police force of one small American city, Albuquerque in New Mexico, shot and killed 23 civilians; seven times more than the number of Brits killed by all of England and Wales' 43 forces during the same period.

The fact that you are much, much, more likely to be killed by US police than police anywhere else in the world seems significant to me...

Police are not authorized to be judges. Police are not authorized to be executioners... To ask why they are killing nearly 1,000 people annually seems, to me, like a valid question.

Uno

 

[Adams200]

This is just amazing. Are we talking about a Central American right-wing banana republic in the 70's or about the US today?

 

[Vic]

If you want to show the Man you don't accept his police state by grabbing for a cop's gun, go for it. We'll be seeing you on the news.

And what if he wants you to grab his "gun" and you refuse?

 

[Moonbeam]

That's only common sense if you live in a police state.

Well that explains a lot.

 

[Vic]

Whether or not there was discrimination in Ferguson, isn't the issue here... Besides, anyone that looks at the statistics in aggregate, can see for themselves.

When I was at the MP Academy, it was stressed that police don't have the authority to decide guilt or innocence. That that is the job of the judicial system. By design, police lack the authority to execute people for what they perceive to be criminal activities.

Consequently, when I see US police committing nearly 1,000 extra judicial killings annually, it causes me to wonder.

That's 1,000 people that didn't get their day in court and 1,000 people that were executed without being tried by any court. The fact is:
The fact that you are much, much, more likely to be killed by US police than police anywhere else in the world seems significant to me...

Police are not authorized to be judges. Police are not authorized to be executioners... To ask why they are killing nearly 1,000 people annually seems, to me, like a valid question.

Uno

Bingo. Every time a police officer kills a suspect, justified or not, he has failed in his primary duty of bringing the suspect before a judge and jury.

This isn't 'bleeding heart' bullshit or anything like that. This is the law.

 

[Ackmed]

Whether or not there was discrimination in Ferguson, isn't the issue here... Besides, anyone that looks at the statistics in aggregate, can see for themselves.

When I was at the MP Academy, it was stressed that police don't have the authority to decide guilt or innocence. That that is the job of the judicial system. By design, police lack the authority to execute people for what they perceive to be criminal activities.

Consequently, when I see US police committing nearly 1,000 extra judicial killings annually, it causes me to wonder.

That's 1,000 people that didn't get their day in court and 1,000 people that were executed without being tried by any court. The fact is:
The fact that you are much, much, more likely to be killed by US police than police anywhere else in the world seems significant to me...

Police are not authorized to be judges. Police are not authorized to be executioners... To ask why they are killing nearly 1,000 people annually seems, to me, like a valid question.

Uno

It is the issue because that was the point that was raised. The officer did nothing wrong. The "victims" family and friends made a huge deal out of what never should have been. Causing country wide debates, riots and other nonsense.

So if some dope tries to kill an officer and they instead get killed, you don't agree with that? That is just idiotic. Not everyone deserves a day in court. If someone is actively shooting at me trying to kill me. I am not going to waive the white flag and kindly ask him to go to court. He is going to get shot back at, and hopefully killed. He forfeited his right to live. There is no such thing as shooting to disarm or wound. Nobody is taught to tase when getting shot at. When someone is on top of you trying to beat your face in, you don't use spray. You shoot, and you shoot to kill. Because they are trying to kill you. If you don't agree, then you're just wrong. Calling them executions is idiotic too. Someone being killed when they are trying to kill Officers or anyone in the public is not an execution. Personally I think its justice. And most certainly self defense.

Who do you think commits most percentage of the crimes in America and has the most percentage in prisons? Why do you think that same race wouldn't be more likely to get shot by police? Use some common sense here.

That type of patrol is not used every Tuesday and Thursday as was claimed. No proof has been given for that after asked for. It is used for special circumstances. Are there innocent people killed by police every year? Absolutely. Is there there police abuse and misconduct nationwide? Absolutely. Should steps be taken to correct these issues? Absolutely. Are there far more good cops than bad? Absolutely.

The hatred for cops on this board and elsewhere is pathetic. While not all are perfect and things do need to change, hating all cops for the actions of few is just stupid. Same for hating all priests for a few molesting children. Hating all lawyers for some being crooks. There is an almost endless list of perceived notions of certain professions. It should be handled on a person by person basis. Calling for cops to be executed it just about as low as you can go as a human. Yet people on this board have called for such things. But I'm done talking about it. No sense trying to talk sense into people so blind and ignorant.

 

[mizzou]

Anyway, what is your opinion?
Situation about to get better?
Situation normal, just changing press coverage?
Situation getting worse?

Other insight?

Uno

My opinion is that, more then likely, nobody really cared about the stats. We went from a nation that enjoyed popcorn stuffing our faces on episodes of COPS to popcorn stuffing our face on youtube uploads of COPBLOCK. At some point, people started getting active and wanting to put there 2 cents in on how policing is done. Then people started looking at the facts/stats, and found there is a huge gaping black hole.

I think it's going to take some time to streamline UCR and hold every agency accountable to report accurate stats....I think in the digital age, there is no reason we can't see a rolling ticker of important things. Police are paid by the people...if the people have a reasonable request, like transparency on homicides, it should be done.

 

[waggy]

For years every time i would hear of police shooting someone i would say "well they shouldn't have done X". Then as i got older i would actually read what happen (also seems the media is actually saying it) .

Now its not a list like dianthomas said. sadly there are instances where the cops don't care and shoot first or do not do a basic investigation before they storm the house.

I think a big part of it is the militarization of the police. And the fact you rarely hear of them getting fired let alone charged.

 

[Genx87]

You're a fool if you believe this. In this instance, there was NO racial discrimination. A witness LIED and said Brown's hands were up. Created huge tension that didn't need to be there. Hands up dont shoot swept the nation and it was created by a false statement by a known liar. That's the truth, you can either accept it or not. They acted like animals and there is no excuse for it.

The tension was already there. Are you not paying attention? You believe this tension was created the day Brown was shot? I bet you believe 9-11 happened in a vacuum as well.

The DoJ has outlined all the issues within this police department. People have resigned or were fired. Im sure more will leave. The feds may actually disband the department because of years of abuse. But continue to believe all this tension and anger was because Brown was shot.

 

[Paratus]

The tension was already there. Are you not paying attention? You believe this tension was created the day Brown was shot? I bet you believe 9-11 happened in a vacuum as well.

The DoJ has outlined all the issues within this police department. People have resigned or were fired. Im sure more will leave. The feds may actually disband the department because of years of abuse. But continue to believe all this tension and anger was because Brown was shot.

Exactly this.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

You're a fool if you believe this. In this instance, there was NO racial discrimination. A witness LIED and said Brown's hands were up. Created huge tension that didn't need to be there. Hands up dont shoot swept the nation and it was created by a false statement by a known liar. That's the truth, you can either accept it or not. They acted like animals and there is no excuse for it.

So official emails between cops and supervisors about crime stoppers giving $5,000 to abortion parents didn't play a role? The horrible racist shit that these fucking cops send on publicly accessible emails isn't an indication of how unafraid these shitheads are of being publicly racist? Given the complete lack of professionalism, racial tolerance, and intelligence being revealed by the investigation into this department, it doesn't take much of a stretch of the imagination to think the minorities in Furgeson have been getting racist shit from the cops. The stretch of the imagination would be to think "no, these cops were just having fun on public email but they are totally not racist and this would never reflect on their interactions with minorities." THAT is what the fool would believe, Officer Ackmed.

 

[BoberFett]

There are some simple steps to not get killed by cops:

1. Don't break the law
2. If you're being arrested don't resist
3. Don't throw things at cops
4. Don't run from cops
5. Don't do anything without asking first

99% of people killed by cops were doing one of those things.

If only #1 were true, innocent people wouldn't get killed, but they do.

And isn't #5 the definition of a police state?

 

[piasabird]

Have you ever watched how criminals act? Normally they are traveling in a stolen car. Then they try to flee from the police till they drive their stolen car off the road or into an occupied building. Then the flee on foot from the police and often shoot at the police if they have a firearm. They don't care who's car they steal, or how many motor vehicles they wreck or how many innocent people they run into. Cops often find they are either high or they have drugs in their vehicle.