US relinquishes control of the internet

[MotF Bane]

Do not want.

 

[oiprocs]

You guys ruined a great "what's gonna happen to the porn" thread with your stupid bickering.


Seriously though, what's the word on porn?

 

[caddlad]

Originally posted by: scorpious

Seriously though, what's the word on porn?

Originally posted by: Analog

experiments going on with countries forking the internet

Entire countries will be forking now. I'm fine with that, although I prefer Canadian porn.

 

[T9D]

...http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_djbRHlX27W8/SYhHL1H5idI/AAAAAAAAAVE/SyMhB9kfHEM/s400/phone-lines-india.jpg

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: sandorski
Japanese Porn and the Nigerian Prince will soon dominate.

Excellent.

moar tentacles for all? sounds like a good campaign slogan if you ever need one :laugh:

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: Analog
After complaints about American dominance of the internet

Well, we invented it.

 

[geno]

Anyone who supports this is supporting online censorship. Tell me, what do you think any of us stand to gain by letting countries well known for not supporting freedom of speech control the Internet? What's broken that needs fixing?

 

[Snapster]

This should be Washington loses control of the internet, not the US as ICANN still retains control.

There is far too much jumping on the losing free speech bandwagon without really running through the entire thought process behind this. If countries want to block / sensor something they will and do anyway, just look at facebook in china...oops cannot.

The internet was already in danger of becoming fragmented due to the slow moving (and ironically chastised) control he US government had over what gets approved and what doesn't. Some parts of the world were already considering breaking away and using their own tld naming, this decision keeps everyone under the same roof (and it's a US roof). This is about allowing others to have a voice, you know that whole freedom of speech thing that gets said allot? Imagine if you will, this didn't happen, the rest of the world sets up their own internet, that would instantly isolate yourselves from the global market, culture and more.

Some posters here are acting like you are giving your house keys away and reeks of it's my ball and I'm taking it home so no one can play childish attitude. It's not about giving them direct control at all. What ICANN says still goes.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Analog
After complaints about American dominance of the internet

Well, we invented it.

No, a group of scientists invented it, you didn't do shit and neither did the rest of us. If you want to go by content and effort, however, everybody has a little bit of ownership in it, since content is what makes the internet go.

In the end, the internet belongs to the human race.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

/tiredofblindnationalism

Learn your 'isms, dumbass. :laugh:

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Japanese Porn and the Nigerian Prince will soon dominate.

No change then.

cool

 

[Engineer]

*shrugs*

 

[StinkyPinky]

The childish "we invented it" argument is so typically american that it is something that doesn't even surprise me any more. So typically mind numbing in its flag waving patriotism.

The chinese invented gun powder and paper....should they take it back?

The Brits invented modern calculus and physics...should they take it back?

How about we all grow the fuck up and realize that some shit is best for the entire human race. So we can all better ourselves by watching streaming tentacle porn.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Analog
After complaints about American dominance of the internet

Well, we invented it.

No, a group of scientists invented it, you didn't do shit and neither did the rest of us. If you want to go by content and effort, however, everybody has a little bit of ownership in it, since content is what makes the internet go.

In the end, the internet belongs to the human race.

As others have mentioned, "the internet" comprises so many technologies, no single group can be credited for it. For example, a lot of the original network (ARPANET) started in the US, but the WWW was developed at CERN.

And to the people who think this will lead to censorship... since when does ICANN decide what websites you're allowed to visit?

Colt45 hit the nail on the head, other countries will now have more influence over TLDs. That's about it.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
The childish "we invented it" argument is so typically american that it is something that doesn't even surprise me any more. So typically mind numbing in its flag waving patriotism.

The chinese invented gun powder and paper....should they take it back?

The Brits invented modern calculus and physics...should they take it back?

How about we all grow the fuck up and realize that some shit is best for the entire human race. So we can all better ourselves by watching streaming tentacle porn.

We invented it, every last bit of it. It's ours.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
The childish "we invented it" argument is so typically american that it is something that doesn't even surprise me any more. So typically mind numbing in its flag waving patriotism.

The chinese invented gun powder and paper....should they take it back?

The Brits invented modern calculus and physics...should they take it back?

How about we all grow the fuck up and realize that some shit is best for the entire human race. So we can all better ourselves by watching streaming tentacle porn.

We invented it, every last bit of it. It's ours.

OK, you can come round and fix my mother in laws email next time she fucks it up then.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
The childish "we invented it" argument is so typically american that it is something that doesn't even surprise me any more. So typically mind numbing in its flag waving patriotism.

The chinese invented gun powder and paper....should they take it back?

The Brits invented modern calculus and physics...should they take it back?

How about we all grow the fuck up and realize that some shit is best for the entire human race. So we can all better ourselves by watching streaming tentacle porn.

We invented it, every last bit of it. It's ours.

OK, you can come round and fix my mother in laws email next time she fucks it up then.

Nope.

 

[WelshBloke]

And so it came to pass.

Relevant bump.

 

[Broheim]

I can't help but laugh at the blind patriotism in this thread, I'm guessing that a couple of "blows of a whistle" later y'all don't quite feel the same way.

 

[WelshBloke]

I can't help but laugh at the blind patriotism in this thread, I'm guessing that a couple of "blows of a whistle" later y'all don't quite feel the same way.

Ignore the flag waving and they were making a good point.

Do you think giving China, Russia, religious states or dictatorships more control over things is a step up from the Americans having control?

 

[Puppies04]

This doesn't sound good... :/

"But the fresh focus will give other countries a more prominent role in determining what takes place online, and even the way in which it happens ? opening the door for a virtual United Nations, where many officials gather to discuss potential changes to the internet.

He added that the changes would prove powerful when combined with upcoming plans to allow web users to use addresses with names in Chinese, Arabic or other alphabets other than Latin. Many countries have lobbied for the shift in recent years, as the expansion of the web reaches out deeper into society and business. "

Yikes.. I do not want... Do not want at all..

Oh ok, we will forget the whole idea then.

Guys, Trident doesn't want this. Scrap the whole plan.

 

[Broheim]

Ignore the flag waving and they were making a good point.

Do you think giving China, Russia, religious states or dictatorships more control over things is a step up from the Americans having control?

not really, but I'd rather not have the 'muricans in charge either.

 

[Jaskalas]

Now we are the ones who get to threaten making our own isolated .us internet.

 

[Oldgamer]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tech.../30/icann-agreement-us

After complaints about American dominance of the internet and growing disquiet in some parts of the world, Washington has said it will relinquish some control over the way the network is run and allow foreign governments more of a say in the future of the system.

Icann ? the official body that ultimately controls the development of the internet thanks to its oversight of web addresses such as .com, .net and .org ? said today that it was ending its agreement with the US government.

The deal, part of a contract negotiated with the US department of commerce, effectively pushes California-based Icann towards a new status as an international body with greater representation from companies and governments around the globe.

Icann had previously been operating under the auspices of the American government, which had control of the net thanks to its initial role in developing the underlying technologies used for connecting computers together.

But the fresh focus will give other countries a more prominent role in determining what takes place online, and even the way in which it happens ? opening the door for a virtual United Nations, where many officials gather to discuss potential changes to the internet.

Icann chief Rod Beckstrom, a former Silicon Valley entrepreneur and Washington insider who took over running the organisation in July, said there had been legitimate concerns that some countries were developing alternative internets as a way of routing around American control.

"It's rumoured that there are multiple experiments going on with countries forking the internet, various countries have discussed this," he said. "This is a very significant shift because it takes the wind out of our opponents."

He added that the changes would prove powerful when combined with upcoming plans to allow web users to use addresses with names in Chinese, Arabic or other alphabets other than Latin. Many countries have lobbied for the shift in recent years, as the expansion of the web reaches out deeper into society and business.

While the issue reached critical mass in emerging economies such as China, it is not the only country that has lobbied for a change. Earlier this year European officials said that they did not think it was proper for America to retain so much control over the global computer network.

Some of you computer geeks already know this info, but I am just posting for those who do not.

Just a little bit of history:
The first packet switching network and predecessor to today’s Internet was the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (ARPANET), which came to life in 1969 by connecting mainframe computers at four locations. ARPANET was funded by the U.S. Department of Defense for use by universities and research laboratories. Bolt, Beranek and Newman (BBN) was the contractor that did much of the initial development of the ARPANET, including creating the first router known as an Interface Message Processor (IMP).

In 1973, Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf began work on TCP to develop the next generation of the ARPANET. TCP was designed to replace ARPANET’s current Network Control Program (NCP). In 1978, TCP was divided into two protocols: TCP and IP. Later, other protocols were added to the TCP/IP suite of protocols including Telnet, FTP, DNS, and many others.
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I personally think this is a good thing. This allows more countries to add to, or change, create protocols in efforts with their American partners. This will push American entrepenuers into being innovative again, and not just going with the status quo concerning the internet and the devices that are used to access the internet. This can foster world wide innovation, and lifts the curtain on restricted, controlled areas that other countries have not been able to participate in. In addition, with all the spying and such going on with NSA , FBI this quite possibly could take a big bite out of that. I am interested in seeing how progress is made with these new changes.

By the way ICANN has HUB offices that are global: http://www.icann.org/en/contact Their mission statement is all about accountability and transparency. IANA is a subgroup of ICANN. There are many international organizations that work with internet protocols and this also includes IEEE, and IETF and ITU and TIA

Edit: I suspect that a lot of this change that is coming has to do with all the spying leaks. I wondered for a long time how ICANN and the other organizations were going to handle these new revelations. They are all about keeping things up and up for the public and those who use the internet, and not allowing degradation of the internet to occur.

 

[Markbnj]

So sick of this arrogant American stance. You guys aren't the only ones who know what the fuck you're doing, alright? And it's ironic to call any other country a "jackass" after you voted Professor Bush into office twice.

/tiredofblindnationalism

The U.S. is among the most tolerant nations on earth when it comes to general acceptance of other races, cultures, and political philosophies. Virtually every other nation is more racist and xenophobic than we are. And some nations simply are the geopolitical equivalent of "jackasses," not measured by whether they know how the Intarwebz work, but rather measured in historically significant terms such as personal liberty, the rule of law, property rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, etc. It's perfectly legitimate to be concerned when a nation like that gains more influence and control on the world stage. Note that I am not endorsing any specific list of jackasses. I probably wouldn't put China on my list these days. I'd say they are more like the guy who used to be a jackass but is starting to grow up a little. They are still very repressive and have a long way to go.