US Soldier spends 3rd Christmas as Taliban Prisoner

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That may be,but there was no need to trade 5 high-level Taliban for him.

The Taliban had already agreed on a ransom, even.
But no,BHO wanted to free the 5 guys..
for some reason

We could have let them go now for Bergdahl or in six months for nothing.
I do not agree, as some Republicans are already arguing, that these individuals should not have been released. In my view, the U.S. would not be able to hold them forever. Indeed, it is likely that the U.S. would be required, as a matter of international law, to release them shortly after the end of 2014, when U.S. combat operations cease in Afghanistan. The Administration appears to have reached a defensible, hold-your-nose compromise by arranging, in exchange for the release of Sergeant Bergdahl, for the individuals to be held in Qatar for a year before they return to Afghanistan.
 

sandorski

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That may be,but there was no need to trade 5 high-level Taliban for him.

The Taliban had already agreed on a ransom, even.
But no,BHO wanted to free the 5 guys..
for some reason

Give them money they could use to buy supplies instead of 5 guys?
 

boomerang

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Some article I read yesterday referred to these five as the "board of directors". These are not foot soldiers in a religious war. These are the planners. And they're in Qatar for a year? BFD. So what, they won't be able to communicate with the outside world? The theory that there will be an advantage to restraining their movements for a year is ridiculous.

But once again, this is not the issue. Bergdhal's return and the release of these five are both the result of Obama breaking the law. But I get it, the nation doesn't have the stomach to rein Obama in. Lindsay Graham says if he does it again impeachment proceeding will start! Wow, what a threat. If it's an impeachable offense the second time it's not the first?

But once again, I get it. The season finale of Swamp People is coming up and who in the hell would want to miss that for some political garbage?
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Some article I read yesterday referred to these five as the "board of directors". These are not foot soldiers in a religious war. These are the planners. And they're in Qatar for a year? BFD. So what, they won't be able to communicate with the outside world? The theory that there will be an advantage to restraining their movements for a year is ridiculous.

But once again, this is not the issue. Bergdhal's return and the release of these five are both the result of Obama breaking the law. But I get it, the nation doesn't have the stomach to rein Obama in. Lindsay Graham says if he does it again impeachment proceeding will start! Wow, what a threat. If it's an impeachable offense the second time it's not the first?

But once again, I get it. The season finale of Swamp People is coming up and who in the hell would want to miss that for some political garbage?

Well, it certainly easy to see once again who blindly listens to faux news, Hannity, and all the other far-right whackos and just blindly repeat what they are told without even a shred of intellectual honesty.

Can't say I am surprised, since it is pretty much the same group that blindly repeats the lies they are told.

Funny how you and the other partisans tend to forget your history. Reagan, Iran-Contra, etc, etc, etc.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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No matter how much the white house and left are spinning this like crazy it's not going to go away. Americans are PISSED at this administration and lawlessness and what the fuckstain in the oval office did.

Obama thought he could distract from his VA scandal with "hey look! I brought back a hero!" but it's blowing up in his face. It's glorious.

His hometown has now canceled his welcome home celebration.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/0...welcome-home-ceremony-amid-questions-threats/

You have proof that Bergdahl wasn't a POW?

You have proof that he is a deserter? Can you post the link to his court-martial with his conviction?

You can of course prove all of this right? Right? I mean in the Zimmerman thread, you were all about right to trial, and innocent until proven guilty.

What happened now? You flip-flop again? You were once again just making shit up? (How's President PErry doing BTW?)

Unless you can PROVE it, he is innocent still right?
 
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There is a tremendous amount of evidence coming from various sources suggesting that Bergdahl did not serve with "honor and distinction" as some would have us believe. Innocent until proven guilty...of course. But that doesn't preclude people from developing opinions based on the evidence as it unfolds.
 

cabri

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You have proof that Bergdahl wasn't a POW?

You have proof that he is a deserter? Can you post the link to his court-martial with his conviction?

You can of course prove all of this right? Right? I mean in the Zimmerman thread, you were all about right to trial, and innocent until proven guilty.

What happened now? You flip-flop again? You were once again just making shit up? (How's President PErry doing BTW?)

Unless you can PROVE it, he is innocent still right?

1) There was an army investigation that indicated he was not "clean". And the fact that the initial investigation was sealed shut with "lock boxes" would indicate political influence was in play.

2) One can not have a court martial unless you are there to defend yourself. Difficult to do given his situation.

3) Given that the Army is re-opening a case on him should generate some concern. He is not be3ing considered to be a clean POW. Related to the initial investigation.

4) Discharges do not require court martial.

5) Given the political stock by Obama in this situation, there may be a discharge based on the initial investigation, but if so, it will be swept under the rug.
 

TerryMathews

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I mean you aren't arguing that are you?

Yes, actually, I will. Specifically, the diversionary tactic of staging Patton with a fake army to split the Nazi forces immediately before Normandy probably was the difference between success and failure in the European theater. At the very least had the full might of the Nazi forces repelled at Normandy the push into France would have been at a much slower pace.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fortitude

Hitler feared Patton - and with good reason.
 
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boomerang

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Well, it certainly easy to see once again who blindly listens to faux news, Hannity, and all the other far-right whackos and just blindly repeat what they are told without even a shred of intellectual honesty.

Can't say I am surprised, since it is pretty much the same group that blindly repeats the lies they are told.

Funny how you and the other partisans tend to forget your history. Reagan, Iran-Contra, etc, etc, etc.

Time to double down kitty-kat. Whatever you do don't read this because it deals with the rule of law. No "fairness" argument will be found which I understand to be the cornerstone of progressive thought these days.

Bergdahl release: Can President Obama faithfully enforce the laws?


A few snippets from a former judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey are below.

The government apparently negotiated with the Taliban, a group characterized by federal law as a non-state terrorist organization. The deal required the U.S. to release five former senior Taliban intelligence and military officials from the American prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Therein lies the legal and constitutional conundrum generated by the post-9/11 contempt for the Constitution that has been a hallmark of Congress and the Bush and Obama administrations.
The president no doubt will argue that under the Constitution he and he alone makes foreign policy and, as well, as commander in chief of the military, he enjoys the constitutional authority to make these prisoner swaps. Yet, the president has sworn an oath faithfully to enforce all federal law. He cannot knowingly or legally exclude himself from the obligation to comply with laws with which he disagrees -- that’s the Nixon argument ("When the president does it, that means it’s not illegal."), which the courts and modern history have rejected.

The president has a serious problem with competence and with fidelity to his oath. In one week, he has alienated and demoralized much of the intelligence community by revealing the true name of one of them and by releasing their worst nightmare back into the theater of Middle East warfare. He has, as well, flagrantly failed to enforce federal law by materially aiding a non-state terrorist group condemned by American law. This is almost inconceivable in an American president.

Yet it is almost predictable with this president. In our Orwellian post-9/11 world, Congress thinks it can alter basic constitutional principles, and the president thinks he can enforce only the laws he likes. Did we break away from a king, who thought his powers were given to him by God, 240 years ago only to elect a president who behaves like a king? Thomas Jefferson saw this coming in his final years, when he argued that an elected despot is not the government we fought for.

It surely is not the government Jefferson fought for; but today, it is the government we have.
 

LegendKiller

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There is a tremendous amount of evidence coming from various sources suggesting that Bergdahl did not serve with "honor and distinction" as some would have us believe. Innocent until proven guilty...of course. But that doesn't preclude people from developing opinions based on the evidence as it unfolds.

Not to mention his own dad's comments show that they are a bunch of whackjobs in every sense of the word. His dad praising Sharia and condemning the US for killing Afghans.
 

spidey07

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Obama admin offical is now trying to play the "maybe his platoon was full of pscyhopaths". Just what the fuck is this administration thinking? They're doubling down on stupid. This scandal has serious legs.

http://twitchy.com/2014/06/05/obama...psychopaths-smear-of-bergdahls-platoon-mates/

Brandon Friedman
Here's the thing about Bergdahl and the Jump-to-Conclusions mats: What if his platoon was long on psychopaths and short on leadership? (1/5)

He has since scrubbed his twitter that showed he was part of obama's administration.
http://twitchy.com/2014/06/05/obama...ng-bergdahls-platoon-was-full-of-psychopaths/


 

Zebo

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Some article I read yesterday referred to these five as the "board of directors". These are not foot soldiers in a religious war. These are the planners. And they're in Qatar for a year? BFD. So what, they won't be able to communicate with the outside world? The theory that there will be an advantage to restraining their movements for a year is ridiculous.

But once again, this is not the issue. Bergdhal's return and the release of these five are both the result of Obama breaking the law. But I get it, the nation doesn't have the stomach to rein Obama in. Lindsay Graham says if he does it again impeachment proceeding will start! Wow, what a threat. If it's an impeachable offense the second time it's not the first?

But once again, I get it. The season finale of Swamp People is coming up and who in the hell would want to miss that for some political garbage?

Planners of what? Taliban is not even classified as a terrorist group by our state dept. Maybe DEA has em on some list. Obama has to rule by fiat with nutcases who talk about revering soldiers then would let them rot over symbolism. BTW obama also broke the international law going into Pakistan to kill Osama but it was still right.
 
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Not to mention his own dad's comments show that they are a bunch of whackjobs in every sense of the word. His dad praising Sharia and condemning the US for killing Afghans.

Uh, not all Afghans deserve killing. And has there been anything released about Bergdahl before his capture/desertion that indicated he was a bad soldier? Poor performances, disciplinary actions, etc?
 

spidey07

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What complete and utter bullshit. This criminal administration is now saying they broke the law by not informing congress because if leaked taliban was going to kill the deserter.

BULLSHIT! Congress has access to all kinds of highly classified material, they're not going to leak it.
 

TreVader

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Isn't this the guy who married Osamas daughter, divorced her, got this girl preggers, dragged her to kabul, then got kidnapped?


On the positive side, they both could've used a diet.
 

justoh

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according to wiki (that's the extent of my research), the taliban isn't recognized as a terrorist organization. If they're officially more of a traditional enemy enaged in a ground war, then they didn't negotiate with terrorists? Or why is the wiki entry wrong?
 

TreVader

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oh they traded guys for him. Seems like we might have gotten the short end of that stick.
 
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