US Soldier spends 3rd Christmas as Taliban Prisoner

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fskimospy

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Yet when the Taliban starts bragging on how they are now going to attempt for kidnapping, it is not relevant.

Kidnapping for prisoner exchange will be more highly regarded especially while we are drawing down the forces.

Kidnapping/capturing takes more resources than killing/wounded the opponent. They have to be kept away from rescue attempts; kept healthy enough to prove a point and supervised.

That takes away material/resources from the conflict

The Taliban and every single other person we've fought for decades and decades knows that captured American soldiers are enormously, enormously valuable. There is simply no question that they were already doing whatever they could to capture more.
 

cabri

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The Taliban and every single other person we've fought for decades and decades knows that captured American soldiers are enormously, enormously valuable. There is simply no question that they were already doing whatever they could to capture more.
They were doing a lousy job then of kidnapping. Only one that voluntarily walked away from his post. It is easier to kill than try to capture and the cost/benefit has previously been less.

Now the Taliban leadership has been alerted to another type of warfare.
 

etrigan420

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Now the Taliban leadership has been alerted to another type of warfare.

This has *got* to be a joke...

Kidnapping, ransoms, and prisoner exchanges are as old as war itself. To say that the idea just dawned on the Taliban is ignorant at best.
 

fskimospy

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They were doing a lousy job then of kidnapping. Only one that voluntarily walked away from his post. It is easier to kill than try to capture and the cost/benefit has previously been less.

Now the Taliban leadership has been alerted to another type of warfare.

Or it's really hard to capture our troops.

I am seriously baffled that anyone on here would think that the Taliban were unaware of the value of living us troops. Every enemy the US has fought for literally decades has put a premium on capturing US forces, most without success. What about the Taliban makes you think they are uniquely incompetent?
 

ivwshane

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This has *got* to be a joke...

Kidnapping, ransoms, and prisoner exchanges are as old as war itself. To say that the idea just dawned on the Taliban is ignorant at best.

You are talking to a known idiot, whome, if he's not aware of it happening then it's not happening.

When you live in a bubble you tend to breath your own hot, stale, air.
 

Matt1970

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Or it's really hard to capture our troops.

I am seriously baffled that anyone on here would think that the Taliban were unaware of the value of living us troops. Every enemy the US has fought for literally decades has put a premium on capturing US forces, most without success. What about the Taliban makes you think they are uniquely incompetent?

Well sure they do bit I am not sure the Taliban knew it was a 5 to 1 exchange rate. I didn't know. I sure hope you are right.
 

Matt1970

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You are talking to a known idiot, whome, if he's not aware of it happening then it's not happening.

When you live in a bubble you tend to breath your own hot, stale, air.

Damn son, that's all you do is insult. Well guess what you are breathing with your head up your own ass?
 

TerryMathews

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I don't suppose you care that he left the administration in 2012 and has been with a private company ever since? After the phrase "scrubbed his twitter that showed he was part of Obama's administration." it was obvious to me he was not a current official, confirmed by 2 seconds of googling.

How retarded do you have to be to blame an administration on someone's statement who hasn't been employed by them for 2 years.


edit: NM my google-fu is weak I guess he got back into government in March 2014 - what a dumbass.

:beer: for admitting you were mistaken.
 

ivwshane

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Damn son, that's all you do is insult. Well guess what you are breathing with your head up your own ass?

Yep and it's still fresher than the shit you breath and spew

Shall I post a picture to help you understand, because I know how you like pictures.
 

fskimospy

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Well sure they do bit I am not sure the Taliban knew it was a 5 to 1 exchange rate. I didn't know. I sure hope you are right.

Israel trades at more than 1,000 to one yet their soldiers are almost never captured.
 

Matt1970

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Yep and it's still fresher than the shit you breath and spew

Shall I post a picture to help you understand, because I know how you like pictures.

Well you know what opinions are like and you seem to have more opinions that most people here do. At least you admitted your head is up your own ass.
 

K1052

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I guess we can look forward to 20 congressional hearings on this. I mean why do any real work when there is a "scandal" to be squeezed for political gain. It's not like there aren't urgent national priorities requiring their attention.

I have a hard time getting worked up about an exchange that would hardly have been newsworthy in any other country involving people who will have to be released in the not distant future anyway form a prison that shouldn't even be open. Israel regularly does exchanges at even less favorable ratios and I don't think anyone is going to claim that they are "soft on terrorists". Is the guy we got back an idiot or deserter? Possibly but that's for the military to sort out and should have no bearing on efforts to get him back.

The only legitimate gripe is that Obama didn't follow the letter of the law with advising Congress about the release. People in Congress knew something was in the works however but didn't seem overly concerned about it. It is an odd time for Congress (even one hostile to the sitting president) to wake up and realize that they've given over vast amounts of power to executive branch and get all self-righteous. The worst that has happened was Lindsay Graham to slap Obama on the wrist and ask him not to do it again.
 

cabri

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This has *got* to be a joke...

Kidnapping, ransoms, and prisoner exchanges are as old as war itself. To say that the idea just dawned on the Taliban is ignorant at best.

So you can then ignore what the Taliban leadership states.
They are going to increase their efforts (if there was any previously), now that they have seen the results.

I am not against a prisoner swap; however, one for one should be done.
 

CitizenKain

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If anything, any soldier that gets captured from now on won't be exchanged for, its apparently not worth it. Righties on here would be much happier if any that were captured were just outright killed.
 
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This president has given them an increased incentive and motivation for others to do the same.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded.

Good grief. Perhaps you should be giving the Isrealis the benefit of your wisdom. Gilad Shalit for 1000 prisoners as I recall. Damn, talk about incentive.
 

fskimospy

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There were a lot of people in Israel not happy with that decision. Plus after the soldiers were abducted Israel laid waste to parts of Lebanon.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/27/mideast.nasrallah/

Totally different dynamic and you can't really compare the two.

Why would people in Israel being unhappy and Israel laying waste to parts of Lebanon make it so we can't compare the two? If anything it makes them even more comparable considering that there are people in the US who are unhappy with the deal and we have laid waste to parts of Afghanistan.

Seems dead on to me. Also seems like Obama is about a 200x better negotiator then Netanyahu
 

spidey07

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Good grief. Perhaps you should be giving the Isrealis the benefit of your wisdom. Gilad Shalit for 1000 prisoners as I recall. Damn, talk about incentive.

I see the liberal DU talking points have been distributed in an attempt to deflect and distract the issue.

We don't negotiate with terrorists, Obama has made a grave error and will result in many deaths of our soldiers. Obama lied, soldiers died.

It borders on treason and aiding the enemy. Remove him from office right fucking NOW, with force and throw him in jail.
 

Fern

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Planners of what? Taliban is not even classified as a terrorist group by our state dept. Maybe DEA has em on some list. Obama has to rule by fiat with nutcases who talk about revering soldiers then would let them rot over symbolism. BTW obama also broke the international law going into Pakistan to kill Osama but it was still right.

according to wiki (that's the extent of my research), the taliban isn't recognized as a terrorist organization. If they're officially more of a traditional enemy enaged in a ground war, then they didn't negotiate with terrorists? Or why is the wiki entry wrong?

Yep. They're an officially designated terrorist organization:

But Tuesday White House National Security Council spokesperson Caitlin Hayden noted that the Taliban was added to the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGT) by executive order in July 2002, even if it is not listed as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) by the State Department. Either designation triggers asset freezes, according to the State Department, though they can differ on other restrictions imposed on the target organization. The Treasury Department told ABC News the Taliban is still on their SDGT list.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-taliban-terrorist-organization/story?id=23981888


Fern
 

spidey07

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Yep, looks like he deserted to find and join the taliban. That makes him a traitor. We traded the Taliban Dream Team for another terrorist. Great move Obama. You got totally owned by the enemy and in the process released 5 very dangerous people to fight against us. Treasonous.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...declared-jihad-in-2010-secret-documents-show/
U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl at one point during his captivity converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a "mujahid," or warrior for Islam, according to secret documents prepared on the basis of a purported eyewitness account and obtained by Fox News.
 
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I see the liberal DU talking points have been distributed in an attempt to deflect and distract the issue.

We don't negotiate with terrorists, Obama has made a grave error and will result in many deaths of our soldiers. Obama lied, soldiers died.

It borders on treason and aiding the enemy. Remove him from office right fucking NOW, with force and throw him in jail.

Well? Where is the impeachment?! If what he did was so illegal why are there not Republicans bringing the motion to impeach forward in Congress yesterday?

btw, what in the world is the "liberal DU"?
 

spidey07

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Democrat underground.

Can't impeach with Harry Reid and dem majority in senate. Hopefully that changes very soon.
 

fskimospy

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Very strange that US conservatives had no problem with Bush negotiating with terrorists in Iraq but suddenly have a problem with Obama negotiating with the Taliban here. Actually no, it's not shocking at all.

As for whether or not they are a terrorist organization, they are not an FTO. Instead they are considered an SDGT. If negotiating with an SDGT is negotiating with terrorists, then we also are no longer allowed to negotiate with Iran or North Korea about anything, as that's negotiating with terrorists.

All of this is silly anyway though, as everyone negotiates with terrorists.
 

K1052

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Democrat underground.

Can't impeach with Harry Reid and dem majority in senate. Hopefully that changes very soon.

The House impeaches the president, the Senate tries him. Theoretically the House could indeed move to impeach Obama even if they know the result of the trial in the Senate would be acquittal. I don't see the GOP gaining the 2/3rds majority needed to convict in any scenario for the foreseeable future.
 
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