US Soldier spends 3rd Christmas as Taliban Prisoner

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spidey07

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First Obama said they didn't notify congress because they had to act quickly because of "deteriorating health" and now it's because they didn't want congress to leak it?

Why all the damn lies!
 

ivwshane

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Uh, not all Afghans deserve killing. And has there been anything released about Bergdahl before his capture/desertion that indicated he was a bad soldier? Poor performances, disciplinary actions, etc?

Unless he was declared an enemy of the state, his performance, and history is irrelevant. The righty retards can't seem to get that through their thick ass skulls. No surprise really, they are all about character assassination when it comes to pushing political agendas.
 

Genx87

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Obama admin offical is now trying to play the "maybe his platoon was full of pscyhopaths". Just what the fuck is this administration thinking? They're doubling down on stupid. This scandal has serious legs.

http://twitchy.com/2014/06/05/obama...psychopaths-smear-of-bergdahls-platoon-mates/

Brandon Friedman


He has since scrubbed his twitter that showed he was part of obama's administration.
http://twitchy.com/2014/06/05/obama...ng-bergdahls-platoon-was-full-of-psychopaths/




Wow
 

werepossum

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The Obama Administration has stated that Bergdahl served with "Honor and Distinction."

If you like the Administration's Lies, you are welcome to keep the Administration's Lies.

Uno
lol +1

I think the "Honor and Distinction" label came about because Obama planned to use this for political and military cred, and after it blew up in this face no one thought to get ahead of the plan. Nonetheless I'm glad Bergdahl is back and can face trial. Hell, guy may be fruit loops and thus innocent by reason of insanity.

What complete and utter bullshit. This criminal administration is now saying they broke the law by not informing congress because if leaked taliban was going to kill the deserter.

BULLSHIT! Congress has access to all kinds of highly classified material, they're not going to leak it.
I dunno. Clearly claiming that the Taliban would kill him is more bullshit, but I'd be thoroughly amazed had Congress not leaked it if told beforehand. It's what Congress does, and the only difference with the Republicans would be that it appears first on Fox News rather than in the New York Times.
 

cabri

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First Obama said they didn't notify congress because they had to act quickly because of "deteriorating health" and now it's because they didn't want congress to leak it?

Why all the damn lies!

They are trying to find some story that will be acceptable which does not get torn to shreds by the truth.
 

cabri

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Unless he was declared an enemy of the state, his performance, and history is irrelevant. The righty retards can't seem to get that through their thick ass skulls. No surprise really, they are all about character assassination when it comes to pushing political agendas.

The administration chose to put him on a pedestal as a honorable soldier.

Yet the Army has indicated otherwise, both in locked documents and people that were with him.

Has there been anyone that was with him in Afghanistan that has come forward positively. Grunts with him and/or COs?


It seems as it the administration was pushing for political points; They did not check with the Army (there may not have been a perceived need for it though). Same attitude as when they got OBL; political points trump military security.
 
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Unless he was declared an enemy of the state, his performance, and history is irrelevant. The righty retards can't seem to get that through their thick ass skulls. No surprise really, they are all about character assassination when it comes to pushing political agendas.

I'm not sure it's irrelevant, but to me a lot of the flack being thrown at this guy comes off like a bunch of high school jocks verbally piling onto the weird kid in the theater club.
 

spidey07

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File this under the NO SHIT folder. Traitor in the white house. Time to remove him.

Taliban Commander: More Kidnappings to Come After Bergdahl Deal

A Taliban commander close to the negotiations over the release of U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl told TIME Thursday that the deal made to secure Bergdahl’s release has made it more appealing for fighters to capture American soldiers and other high-value targets.

“It’s better to kidnap one person like Bergdahl than kidnapping hundreds of useless people,” the commander said, speaking by telephone on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media. “It has encouraged our people. Now everybody will work hard to capture such an important bird.”
http://time.com/2826442/taliban-kidnappings-bergdahl/
 

emperus

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The administration chose to put him on a pedestal as a honorable soldier.

Yet the Army has indicated otherwise, both in locked documents and people that were with him.

Has there been anyone that was with him in Afghanistan that has come forward positively. Grunts with him and/or COs?

Maybe helpful to read some of the newer released information from the Army investigative official report.

I find all the hysteria over his release from the party of the "soldiers" pretty disgusting. They traded 5 guys who they would have to release anyhow in some months for a soldier who hasn't been charged with anything, who people were imploring the President to do all he could to bring home not too long ago. Why all the outrage over this?

If you don't believe me let a GOP congressman tell it.
GOP Congressman Criticizes Own Party Over Bowe Bergdahl Response

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/05/raul-labrador-bowe-bergdahl_n_5452401.html
The GOP has sunk to new lows. But even worse are those that defend them.
 

cabri

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I'm not sure it's irrelevant, but to me a lot of the flack being thrown at this guy comes off like a bunch of high school jocks verbally piling onto the weird kid in the theater club.

Maybe one should question why the flak/mud is being thrown?

The administration placed the guy on a pedestal; does he deserve that position?
 

fskimospy

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Maybe one should question why the flak/mud is being thrown?

The administration placed the guy on a pedestal; does he deserve that position?

Oh jesus, no they didn't. They said nice things about a returning POW because that's what you do with a returning POW. You do the same thing for anyone who has just been through a traumatic experience, even if they are a dirtbag.
 

spidey07

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The Taliban was already doing everything they could to kidnap US servicemen.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded.

This president has given them an increased incentive and motivation for others to do the same.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded.
 

cabri

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Maybe helpful to read some of the newer released information from the Army investigative official report.

I find all the hysteria over his release from the party of the "soldiers" pretty disgusting. They traded 5 guys who they would have to release anyhow in some months for a soldier who hasn't been charged with anything, who people were imploring the President to do all he could to bring home not too long ago. Why all the outrage over this?

If you don't believe me let a GOP congressman tell it.

The GOP has sunk to new lows. But even worse are those that defend them.

Do you have a link to newer information that has come out since Tues?

Anything that refutes the fact that there were questions on what he was doing and that he left his equipment behind.

Intelligence intercepts of communications.
 
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fskimospy

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This president has given them an increased incentive.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded.

Interesting. I guess we never should have exchanged prisoners in other wars then as we were just giving the enemy a greater incentive to capture our people. Oh wait, in both cases they were already trying as hard as they could to capture our people.

It's amazing how stupid you are. For all the time you spend waving guns around at shitty chicken sandwich shops you would think that you'd know the first thing about how war works.
 

spidey07

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Liberal logic:

They were going to kidnap our guys anyway, so it's perfectly fine to release 5 of the most dangerous terrorists to kill people and plot against us. I mean at this point, what difference does it make?
 

fskimospy

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Liberal logic:

They were going to kidnap our guys anyway, so it's perfectly fine to release 5 of the most dangerous terrorists to kill people and plot against us. I mean at this point, what difference does it make?

Conservative illiteracy: this post.
 

cabri

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Oh jesus, no they didn't. They said nice things about a returning POW because that's what you do with a returning POW. You do the same thing for anyone who has just been through a traumatic experience, even if they are a dirtbag.

"Honor and Distinction"

Then they start backtracking when the Army starts to have documents released and military personal that served with him start to talk.

If so proud; then why the backsteps?
 

CLite

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Obama admin offical is now trying to play the "maybe his platoon was full of pscyhopaths". Just what the fuck is this administration thinking? They're doubling down on stupid. This scandal has serious legs.

http://twitchy.com/2014/06/05/obama...psychopaths-smear-of-bergdahls-platoon-mates/

Brandon Friedman


He has since scrubbed his twitter that showed he was part of obama's administration.
http://twitchy.com/2014/06/05/obama...ng-bergdahls-platoon-was-full-of-psychopaths/



I don't suppose you care that he left the administration in 2012 and has been with a private company ever since? After the phrase "scrubbed his twitter that showed he was part of Obama's administration." it was obvious to me he was not a current official, confirmed by 2 seconds of googling.

How retarded do you have to be to blame an administration on someone's statement who hasn't been employed by them for 2 years.


edit: NM my google-fu is weak I guess he got back into government in March 2014 - what a dumbass.
 
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emperus

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The administration chose to put him on a pedestal as a honorable soldier.

Yet the Army has indicated otherwise, both in locked documents and people that were with him.

Has there been anyone that was with him in Afghanistan that has come forward positively. Grunts with him and/or COs?


It seems as it the administration was pushing for political points; They did not check with the Army (there may not have been a perceived need for it though). Same attitude as when they got OBL; political points trump military security.

Above is what you wrote.

This is an article about the official report
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/w...-walked-away-before-military-report-says.html

Show me where it says his service was not honorable. Also, if you did read the article you would see where it said he was a good soldier.

Its portrayal of him as a soldier is said to be positive, with quotes from both commanders and squadmates — apparently including some of the men now criticizing him — describing him as punctual, always in the correct uniform and asking good questions. It quotes colleagues as saying that he expressed some boredom and frustration that they were not “kicking down doors” more to go after insurgents who were destroying schools.
 

fskimospy

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"Honor and Distinction"

Then they start backtracking when the Army starts to have documents released and military personal that served with him start to talk.

If so proud; then why the backsteps?

I don't think they were that proud. To me they were simply saying the things you say any time hostages or prisoners come home, even if they are shitty people.

The partisan reaction to this guy's release shows to me just how poisonous our politics are now. Who shits on a returning POW in order to attack their political enemies? Bowe isn't the only shitbag in this equation.
 

cabri

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Interesting. I guess we never should have exchanged prisoners in other wars then as we were just giving the enemy a greater incentive to capture our people. Oh wait, in both cases they were already trying as hard as they could to capture our people.

It's amazing how stupid you are. For all the time you spend waving guns around at shitty chicken sandwich shops you would think that you'd know the first thing about how war works.

Yet when the Taliban starts bragging on how they are now going to attempt for kidnapping, it is not relevant.

Kidnapping for prisoner exchange will be more highly regarded especially while we are drawing down the forces.

Kidnapping/capturing takes more resources than killing/wounded the opponent. They have to be kept away from rescue attempts; kept healthy enough to prove a point and supervised.

That takes away material/resources from the conflict
 

unokitty

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Uh, not all Afghans deserve killing. And has there been anything released about Bergdahl before his capture/desertion that indicated he was a bad soldier? Poor performances, disciplinary actions, etc?

In March 09, Bergdahl, and his unit, were sent to Afghanistan as part of Obama's surge. In late June, he abandoned his unit and purposely sought out the Taliban. Reportedly, there was an official cover-up — one that included White House pressure on the New York Times and AP to keep Bergdahl's name out of the papers.

Glancing at parts of an email exchange between Bergdahl and his dad may provide some insight into his mental status.
"The future is too good to waste on lies," Bowe wrote. "And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting."

The e-mail went on to list a series of complaints: Three good sergeants, Bowe said, had been forced to move to another company, and "one of the biggest shit bags is being put in charge of the team." His battalion commander was a "conceited old fool." The military system itself was broken: "In the US army you are cut down for being honest... but if you are a conceited brown nosing shit bag you will be allowed to do what ever you want, and you will be handed your higher rank... The system is wrong. I am ashamed to be an american. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools." The soldiers he actually admired were planning on leaving: "The US army is the biggest joke the world has to laugh at. It is the army of liars, backstabbers, fools, and bullies. The few good SGTs are getting out as soon as they can, and they are telling us privates to do the same."

After receiving an email from his father exhorting him to "OBEY YOUR CONSCIENCE," Bowe slipped out of his unit's barracks on June 30th, 2009. One man versus the wilds of Afghanistan, Bergdahl was equipped with just a knife, water, a digital camera and his diary. Barely 24 hours later, he'd be taken prisoner. Bergdahl's capture is recorded in radio intercepts later released by WikiLeaks:
Nothing wrong with Bergdahl's complaining about the Army. And while I didn't have e-mail, I, like a lot of fellows, had similar complaints. (Though, I wouldn't have ever shared them with my Dad the B-17 pilot.)

With the exception of a few instances, outlined in the Nuremberg Trials, you can't abandon your unit. If Bergdahl had wanted to, he could of become a contentious objector.

But he didn't object to war. He just thought that the Army sucked. I don't disagree with that. But it doesn't justify abandoning your unit.

From my perspective, the issue here is that Obama, and his administration, wants to present Bergdahl as someone who has served with 'honour with distinction.'

And that is just a lie.

The whole Rose Garden treatment for Bergdahl's parents was hugely disrespectful to those that have served without abandoning their unit while it is in hostile territory.

The whole situation smacks of a lame duck President that desperately wants everyone to think that he has brought a hero home.

But Bergdahl is not a hero. He's just a kid that walked out on his unit...

If Obama wants to end the war, I'm okay with that. But lets bring all the boys home not just the weasels.

Uno
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cheezy321

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The Taliban was already doing everything they could to kidnap US servicemen.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded.

Seriously. You have to be a complete moron to think that this will encourage the Taliban to kidnap more soldiers. The motivation has been there the entire time. You are a blind idiot if you think this is a valid talking point.

Everyone should read this:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/americas-last-prisoner-of-war-20120607

It's a long read that's totally free of the political posturing happening now. it was written in 2012 by Michael Hastings (yes, that michael hastings).

There is actually a lot of validity to the fact that he was in a platoon full of terrible soldiers and terrible leadership. Doesn't excuse him from leaving the base, but it gives you a better perspective of the other soldiers trashing his name.
 
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